Tell Me Why I shouldnt Vote For Bush And Should For Kerry.

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Well, Red and I agree on that point at least

LOL, if you think Romans is a fruitcake wait until you meet heartsurgeon!

Now wait just a minute Red.........

I prefer you call me a right wing Bible thumping bigot........ Fruitcake is so demeaning

 

[thebestMAX]

OK, I will leave off the fruitcake. You have to talk to Red yourself about that.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Well, Red and I agree on that point at least

LOL, if you think Romans is a fruitcake wait until you meet heartsurgeon!

Now wait just a minute Red.........

I prefer you call me a right wing Bible thumping bigot........ Fruitcake is so demeaning

When you said Kerry was a friend of Communists and Terrorists you entered the Fruitcake Zone usually occupied by the likes of heartsurgeon. Kerry may be a Liberal and he may be a Waffler but he is no Commie or Terrorist Sympathizer.

 

[thebestMAX]

Ahhh, feel the love!

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Well, Red and I agree on that point at least

LOL, if you think Romans is a fruitcake wait until you meet heartsurgeon!

Now wait just a minute Red.........

I prefer you call me a right wing Bible thumping bigot........ Fruitcake is so demeaning

When you said Kerry was a friend of Communists and Terrorists you entered the Fruitcake Zone usually occupied by the likes of heartsurgeon. Kerry may be a Liberal and he may be a Waffler but he is no Commie or Terrorist Sympathizer.

Sure he is......... thats what HIS ACTIONS suggest.

After all actions speak louder than words.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Well, Red and I agree on that point at least

LOL, if you think Romans is a fruitcake wait until you meet heartsurgeon!

Now wait just a minute Red.........

I prefer you call me a right wing Bible thumping bigot........ Fruitcake is so demeaning

When you said Kerry was a friend of Communists and Terrorists you entered the Fruitcake Zone usually occupied by the likes of heartsurgeon. Kerry may be a Liberal and he may be a Waffler but he is no Commie or Terrorist Sympathizer.

Sure he is......... thats what HIS ACTIONS suggest.

After all actions speak louder than words.

So filling a Commie in Black Pajamas with lead makes him a friend of the Commies? LOL and you actually expect us to take what you say serious?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Ahhh, feel the love!

Bwuahahaha..welcome to P&N Max

 

[tallest1]

Originally posted by: josphII

Originally posted by: tallest1
You shouldn't vote for Bush because he's too stubborn with his beliefs. While some folks feel thats a good thing, the man has been attempting to add discrimination to the constitution unbending to the belief that existing and being gay is a sin. He's stuck to his with us or against us policy which has turned so many countries against us. Many things he doesn't believe in, he'll declare war on or create a law against it. Hes [or if you're republican, his 'intelligence'] is repeatedly decieving the american people. He is reluctantly letting the truth be known about 9-11 and WMD's. Crucial investigations and studies over the jeapardizing of peoples lives, jobs, and health are being swept under the carpet or replaced with administration-approved views. We are so agressively pursuing the killer of our own people that a 24/7 hunt only began last month. Bush's war on terror has been too broad, too vague, too expensive, and too polarizing (iraq is evil, france is evil, germany is evil, anyone who doesn't support us is evil), "There ought to be limits to freedom", his inabilty to come off as someone mildly intelligent, this complete lack of focus on domestic policy (unless some event like gay marriage and not poor education comes off as 'troubling' to him), his administation's links to the oil industry, his belief that companies getting richer by seeking cheaper labor equates to recovery [the jobless recovery they call it] and..... I'd write more, I really I would.

you do realize that bush and kerry have the same opinion as far as gay marriage, right?

not exactly. You certainly won't see Kerry saying something like this about gays: "Yes, I am mindful that we're all sinners," the president said Wednesday when asked for his views on homosexuality. "And I caution those who may try to take the speck out of the neighbor's eye when they've got a log in their own."
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truth be known about 9-11

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Crucial investigations and studies over the jeapardizing of peoples lives, jobs, and health are being swept under the carpet or replaced with administration-approved views

Lives at stake: Text
Jobs at stake: Text
Health at stake: Text

this complete lack of focus on domestic policy

medicare reform, no child left behind, tax cuts - this doesnt count?

You know very well that no child left behind was underfunded. Its being discovered that the medicare reforms will cost more than was argued - already hinting that the deficit ain't going away anytime soon. And giving people tax cuts is like a guy banging a random chick from a party. It may be great while its around but both sides are gonna pay for it the next morning. Tax cuts are at the very least an effective short term political tool. But since opinions of the tax cuts' effects vary greatly between sides, I won't bother arguing this one.

his administation's links to the oil industry

and this is bad why?

while this is a bit conspiracy-theorist-ish, its becoming pretty obvious that our overseas activities are benefiting not only oil companies in general but the exact same companies our leaders worked in. I hope that we went to war for the people's sake and not for the sake of influential businesses but with all this news of Halliburton I have my doubts

 

[thebestMAX]

Glad to be here, at least for a little while, even with all the wackos.

 

[Romans828]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Romans828

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Well, Red and I agree on that point at least

LOL, if you think Romans is a fruitcake wait until you meet heartsurgeon!

Now wait just a minute Red.........

I prefer you call me a right wing Bible thumping bigot........ Fruitcake is so demeaning

When you said Kerry was a friend of Communists and Terrorists you entered the Fruitcake Zone usually occupied by the likes of heartsurgeon. Kerry may be a Liberal and he may be a Waffler but he is no Commie or Terrorist Sympathizer.

Sure he is......... thats what HIS ACTIONS suggest.

After all actions speak louder than words.

So filling a Commie in Black Pajamas with lead makes him a friend of the Commies? LOL and you actually expect us to take what you say serious?

No its WHAT HE DID AFTERWARDS........ stop playing so dumb Red its not flattering you

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: tallest1

Originally posted by: josphII

this complete lack of focus on domestic policy

medicare reform, no child left behind, tax cuts - this doesnt count?

You know very well that no child left behind was underfunded. Its being discovered that the medicare reforms will cost more than was argued - already hinting that the deficit ain't going away anytime soon. And giving people tax cuts is like a guy banging a random chick from a party. It may be great while its around but both sides are gonna pay for it the next morning. Tax cuts are at the very least an effective short term political tool. But since opinions of the tax cuts' effects vary greatly between sides, I won't bother arguing this one.

And you also very well know that Education funding has seen HUGE increases in funding under Bush. Do we need to dig those numbers up again for you?
Medicare - isn't "more" what the Democrats wanted? They kept saying Bush's plan wasn't "big" enough and they said it was a "down payment"
Complaints about the deficit? Weren't your first argument that Bush didn't spend enough? And the Democrats contention is that Bush didn't spend enough on both of your first two? Then they have the nerve to whine about deficits? Sure....whatever.
Yep - don't argue the tax-cuts because your talking points are almost nil on that issue. All you have left is whining about the "rich"

CkG

 

[PingSpike]

A lot of people seem to be blaming bush's shortcomings/failings/problems/whatever on Clinton. If that isn't the American way I don't know what is. Blaming all your problems on some one else instead of stepping up to the plate and playing the damn hand you were dealt. You don't see me sitting around all day whinning that I'm not tall because my parents weren't tall, or I'm not a genius, etc. I take what I have and work with it. You don't just sit there and point fingers at the last guy. And besides trying to divert the American people's attention from the problem thats pretty much all Bush has done.

I don't have any strong political views for either party. I have some liberal leanings on some issues and the economy, but I've voted for whoever's plan I liked the most.

That said, I'm voting for NOT BUSH this coming election because I don't want a WWIII. To quote a guy I saw on the news a few weeks ago, "Anyone but Bush, I'd vote for the devil." I don't care about gas prices or some other countries problems. This one has plenty of its own to deal with. We should just increase security here and stop pissing off the entire universe by blowing random countries up.

Saddam was bad yes, but there's plenty of bloodthirsty dictators in Africa and other places that we don't even bother going after...why? Because those places have no resources we want. Frankly, I'll take the high gas prices...I drive a compact car.

 

[Tripleshot]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
A lot of people seem to be blaming bush's shortcomings/failings/problems/whatever on Clinton. If that isn't the American way I don't know what is. Blaming all your problems on some one else instead of stepping up to the plate and playing the damn hand you were dealt. You don't see me sitting around all day whinning that I'm not tall because my parents weren't tall, or I'm not a genius, etc. I take what I have and work with it. You don't just sit there and point fingers at the last guy. And besides trying to divert the American people's attention from the problem thats pretty much all Bush has done.

I don't have any strong political views for either party. I have some liberal leanings on some issues and the economy, but I've voted for whoever's plan I liked the most.

That said, I'm voting for NOT BUSH this coming election because I don't want a WWIII. To quote a guy I saw on the news a few weeks ago, "Anyone but Bush, I'd vote for the devil." I don't care about gas prices or some other countries problems. This one has plenty of its own to deal with. We should just increase security here and stop pissing off the entire universe by blowing random countries up.

Saddam was bad yes, but there's plenty of bloodthirsty dictators in Africa and other places that we don't even bother going after...why? Because those places have no resources we want. Frankly, I'll take the high gas prices...I drive a compact car.

Quit using logic and fair reasoning here. It confuses us.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Quite simple, really. If you value National Security and freedom, you will want to vote for Bush.

If you want a president that is weak on National Security, and for more government control (even more so than Bush), vote for Kerry.

There are many other differences, of course, but this is what most Americans will be looking at, IMO.

"Proof?"

Your comments are purely partisan, Republican party-line drivel with no basis in reality. There is no reason to believe Kerry will worse than Bush-lite when it comes to national security, and many reasons to believe he will be much, much stronger. Kerry has real military experience, for example, and is not a reckless cowboy eager to advance a neo-con imperialist agenda. There is also no basis to suggest Kerry will push for greater government control than Bush. Indeed, there is good reason to believe he will reduce government intrusion in the lives of Americans.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Quite simple, really. If you value National Security and freedom, you will want to vote for Bush.

If you want a president that is weak on National Security, and for more government control (even more so than Bush), vote for Kerry.

There are many other differences, of course, but this is what most Americans will be looking at, IMO.

"Proof?"

Your comments are purely partisan, Republican party-line drivel with no basis in reality. There is no reason to believe Kerry will worse than Bush-lite when it comes to national security, and many reasons to believe he will be much, much stronger. Kerry has real military experience, for example, and is not a reckless cowboy eager to advance a neo-con imperialist agenda. There is also no basis to suggest Kerry will push for greater government control than Bush. Indeed, there is good reason to believe he will reduce government intrusion in the lives of Americans.

And your drivel was purely partisan too.

CkG

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Phokus
If you want someone who wants to expand the federal government to an even greater size and lies about it, lies about going to war, takes away our freedom, and is the biggest moron this country has ever seen, then vote for bush.

psstt.....Kerry wrote a good bit of the patriot act....

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Please be succinct.

If you dont know what that means please dont bother to post.

Top ten reasons to vote for John Kerry:

• 10. Michael Powell
  9. Rod teachers are terrorists Paige
  8. Tom Ridge
  7. Paul Wolfowitz
  6. Condi Rice
  5. Karl Rove
  4. Don Rumsfeld
  3. John Asscroft
  2. Dick Cheney
  1. George W. Bush

Honorable mention to Richard Perle (who just stepped down) and Ken Lay (who still pulls President Pinocchio's strings behind the scenes).

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Quite simple, really. If you value National Security and freedom, you will want to vote for Bush.

If you want a president that is weak on National Security, and for more government control (even more so than Bush), vote for Kerry.

There are many other differences, of course, but this is what most Americans will be looking at, IMO.

"Proof?"

Your comments are purely partisan, Republican party-line drivel with no basis in reality. There is no reason to believe Kerry will worse than Bush-lite when it comes to national security, and many reasons to believe he will be much, much stronger. Kerry has real military experience, for example, and is not a reckless cowboy eager to advance a neo-con imperialist agenda. There is also no basis to suggest Kerry will push for greater government control than Bush. Indeed, there is good reason to believe he will reduce government intrusion in the lives of Americans.

And your drivel was purely partisan too.

CkG

You are quite welcome to provide a realistic and objective analysis demonstrating through factual references your contention that Kerry will be "weak on National Security" and "for more government control" compared to Bush. I won't wait up.

 

[sMiLeYz]

This is the reason why you shouldn't vote for G W. Bush

Even the real conservatives have turned against his policies. I think it's time for a change of direction in this country.

That's just my opinion.

Don't take what anyone says for granted, do research on the facts, take a look at the issues, look at both sides, and then decide whos better. Too many people want to impose their views on you, Liberals and conservatives, partisans, the media, and plain crazy people.

 

[fjord]

I can't and won't tell you how to vote. You have to come to your own conclusions based on who you think can do the job best. That's your job as a member of society. I hope you do your homework and study for the final exam.

But I will tell you why I won't vote For Bush, based on his (and his administrations) dismal performance--which I grade as a total Failure.

Succintly: A solid pattern of Corruption and deceit on a scale grander than that of the Nixon administration, on matters of important policy.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Quite simple, really. If you value National Security and freedom, you will want to vote for Bush.

If you want a president that is weak on National Security, and for more government control (even more so than Bush), vote for Kerry.

There are many other differences, of course, but this is what most Americans will be looking at, IMO.

"Proof?"

Your comments are purely partisan, Republican party-line drivel with no basis in reality. There is no reason to believe Kerry will worse than Bush-lite when it comes to national security, and many reasons to believe he will be much, much stronger. Kerry has real military experience, for example, and is not a reckless cowboy eager to advance a neo-con imperialist agenda. There is also no basis to suggest Kerry will push for greater government control than Bush. Indeed, there is good reason to believe he will reduce government intrusion in the lives of Americans.

And your drivel was purely partisan too.

CkG

You are quite welcome to provide a realistic and objective analysis demonstrating through factual references your contention that Kerry will be "weak on National Security" and "for more government control" compared to Bush. I won't wait up.

And you will bleat about it being "party-line drivel" and belt out your own party's song and dance.

CkG

 

[sMiLeYz]

Can't we all be friends?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Please be succinct.

If you dont know what that means please dont bother to post.

Top ten reasons to vote for John Kerry:

• 10. Michael Powell
  9. Rod teachers are terrorists Paige
  8. Tom Ridge
  7. Paul Wolfowitz
  6. Condi Rice
  5. Karl Rove
  4. Don Rumsfeld
  3. John Asscroft
  2. Dick Cheney
  1. George W. Bush

Honorable mention to Richard Perle (who just stepped down) and Ken Lay (who still pulls President Pinocchio's strings behind the scenes).

The building of the 4th Reich. Heil Bush!

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
A lot of people seem to be blaming bush's shortcomings/failings/problems/whatever on Clinton. If that isn't the American way I don't know what is. Blaming all your problems on some one else instead of stepping up to the plate and playing the damn hand you were dealt. You don't see me sitting around all day whinning that I'm not tall because my parents weren't tall, or I'm not a genius, etc. I take what I have and work with it. You don't just sit there and point fingers at the last guy. And besides trying to divert the American people's attention from the problem thats pretty much all Bush has done.

Ok, let me get this straight...
I am the CEO of a large corporation and RAPE the shareholders and employees. I step down and 5 days later there is an investigation. The gov't finds out about everything that is done.
According to what you believe, the new CEO should be arrested and thrown in jail. He should be held accountable.

That is messed up.

 

[Draknor]

Succintly?

Clinton lies about having an affair and is impeached. No lives (American or otherwise) were lost in the process.

Bush lies about WMD and the "imminent threat" of Iraq, goes to war, kills 500+ Americans and thousands of Iraqi citizens, and has the balls to proclaim himself a "war president".

And I don't believe the spin of "Well, Iraq is a better place now, no matter what our initial reasons for going to war were." That's bull$hit - even if Iraq is a better place, you can't use the ends to justify the means after the fact. After all, how would you feel if someone came and emptied out your bank accounts, maxed out your credit cards, and sold your valuable assets to give all the money to needy charities, claiming "But all of these charities are much better now - the fact that we stole this money from you is irrelevant, because of all the people we are helping!"