Tell Me Why I shouldnt Vote For Bush And Should For Kerry.

[thebestMAX]

Please be succinct.

If you dont know what that means please dont bother to post.

 

[Red Dawn]

If you think the Dub is doing a good job then by all means vote for him. If you don't then maybe you should give voting for Kerry some consideration. My main problem with the Dub is the way he and his Neocon Handlers deceived the American Public into supporting his excellent adventure into Iraq. However Kerry also supported Bushes misguided and deceptive excellent adventure so he's partially to blame too. Another reason I am not a supporter of the Dub is because he panders to much to the Ridiculous..err..Religious Right and seems bent on legislating their Religious values down our throat i.e. an Ammendment against Gay Marriage, stricter censorship on the public airwaves, funding Religious institutions,etc. In addition his economic policies don't seem to be effective though I really think that has more to do with the usual economic cyclical events more than anything else. Also it seems to me that with a Republican Congress and a Republican Administration, the congress is acting like it has no fiscal responsibility. If we had a Democratic Administration I believe that the Republican Congress would become more fiscally conservative as it did during Clinton's Administration.

That said, I think that this election is Bushes to lose and baring any disasterous terrorist attacks, major setbacks in Iraq or a severe downturn in the economy that Bush will win. My main hope is that the Dub gets the message that the American People aren't pleased with being lied too though sadly even the narrowest of victories will be perceived by the Republicans as a mandate to keep on the course that his handlers have set. I also believe that a Dub victory and the following 4 years will do irrepairable harm to the Republican Party which will make it difficult for someone like John McCain to win and might open the door for an Ultra Liberal like Hillary Clinton to win the 2008 election which will be a complete disaster for the US.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

though sadly even the narrowest of victories will be perceived by the Republicans as a mandate to keep on the course that his handlers have set.

There's the reason to vote for Kerry over Bush right there. If the American people give a pass to Bush's shinanigans now it is going to get worse, and get worse fast. I'm convinced this is the point of no return for this country. Bush has already done tremendous harm in his first term, without re-election concerns holding him at bay in his second term I shudder to think what this man will do.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If you think the Dub is doing a good job then by all means vote for him. If you don't then maybe you should give voting for Kerry some consideration. My main problem with the Dub is the way he and his Neocon Handlers deceived the American Public into supporting his excellent adventure into Iraq. However Kerry also supported Bushes misguided and deceptive excellent adventure so he's partially to blame too. Another reason I am not a supporter of the Dub is because he panders to much to the Ridiculous..err..Religious Right and seems bent on legislating their Religious values down our throat i.e. an Ammendment against Gay Marriage, stricter censorship on the public airwaves, funding Religious institutions,etc. In addition his economic policies don't seem to be effective though I really think that has more to do with the usual economic cyclical events more than anything else. Also it seems to me that with a Republican Congress and a Republican Administration, the congress is acting like it has no fiscal responsibility. If we had a Democratic Administration I believe that the Republican Congress would become more fiscally conservative as it did during Clinton's Administration.

That said, I think that this election is Bushes to lose and baring any disasterous terrorist attacks, major setbacks in Iraq or a severe downturn in the economy that Bush will win. My main hope is that the Dub gets the message that the American People aren't pleased with being lied too though sadly even the narrowest of victories will be perceived by the Republicans as a mandate to keep on the course that his handlers have set. I also believe that a Dub victory and the following 4 years will do irrepairable harm to the Republican Party which will make it difficult for someone like John McCain to win and might open the door for an Ultra Liberal like Hillary Clinton to win the 2008 election which will be a complete disaster for the US.

I would have to disagree with your statement that Bush did not handle the economy very well. He did what any (good) president would do. I believe that the jobless recovery is simply the dotcom bust still taking it's toll and nothing can be done to speed up that recovery. However, I do agree that they are being too spendy. Granted, when it a recession, you are supposed to increase gov't spending, but they are going a bit overboard IMO.
I also predict that Bush will win come November, and I also fear that you are right about 2008.

 

[Dissipate]

I can tell you right now not to vote for either of them. They are actually running mates.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If you think the Dub is doing a good job then by all means vote for him. If you don't then maybe you should give voting for Kerry some consideration. My main problem with the Dub is the way he and his Neocon Handlers deceived the American Public into supporting his excellent adventure into Iraq. However Kerry also supported Bushes misguided and deceptive excellent adventure so he's partially to blame too. Another reason I am not a supporter of the Dub is because he panders to much to the Ridiculous..err..Religious Right and seems bent on legislating their Religious values down our throat i.e. an Ammendment against Gay Marriage, stricter censorship on the public airwaves, funding Religious institutions,etc. In addition his economic policies don't seem to be effective though I really think that has more to do with the usual economic cyclical events more than anything else. Also it seems to me that with a Republican Congress and a Republican Administration, the congress is acting like it has no fiscal responsibility. If we had a Democratic Administration I believe that the Republican Congress would become more fiscally conservative as it did during Clinton's Administration.

That said, I think that this election is Bushes to lose and baring any disasterous terrorist attacks, major setbacks in Iraq or a severe downturn in the economy that Bush will win. My main hope is that the Dub gets the message that the American People aren't pleased with being lied too though sadly even the narrowest of victories will be perceived by the Republicans as a mandate to keep on the course that his handlers have set. I also believe that a Dub victory and the following 4 years will do irrepairable harm to the Republican Party which will make it difficult for someone like John McCain to win and might open the door for an Ultra Liberal like Hillary Clinton to win the 2008 election which will be a complete disaster for the US.

I would have to disagree with your statement that Bush did not handle the economy very well. He did what any (good) president would do. I believe that the jobless recovery is simply the dotcom bust still taking it's toll and nothing can be done to speed up that recovery.

It also could be a direct result of NAFTA which is on Clinton's head

However, I do agree that they are being too spendy. Granted, when it a recession, you are supposed to increase gov't spending, but they are going a bit overboard IMO.
I also predict that Bush will win come November, and I also fear that you are right about 2008.

Yeah Hillary ought to be in the grips of menopause about then "Shudders"

 

[daniel1113]

Quite simple, really. If you value National Security and freedom, you will want to vote for Bush.

If you want a president that is weak on National Security, and for more government control (even more so than Bush), vote for Kerry.

There are many other differences, of course, but this is what most Americans will be looking at, IMO.

 

[thebestMAX]

RED-
OK, to agree with you I believe GW is way over the top with his religious views and since I have dealt with this all my life I would like him to back off there. Separation of Church and State should apply.

As for fiscal policy, I think he inherited a real problem since klinton took from the Military and now we need it so it looks bad to re invest when we should have just kept up all along.

McCain - Id vote for him in a heartbeat.
Hillary - Id hope I wouldnt have a heartbeat left so i agree there also.

Trying to be succinct and it is GWBs election to lose (JUST LIKE HIS FATHER DID) but what about Kerry? Want to see him in the Presidency?

BTW, I think Iraq needed what we did. I am not in favor of excuses but with real reasoning I think we needed to do it.

 

[tallest1]

You shouldn't vote for Bush because he's too stubborn with his beliefs. While some folks feel thats a good thing, the man has been attempting to add discrimination to the constitution unbending to the belief that existing and being gay is a sin. He's stuck to his with us or against us policy which has turned so many countries against us. Many things he doesn't believe in, he'll declare war on or create a law against it. Hes [or if you're republican, his 'intelligence'] is repeatedly decieving the american people. He is reluctantly letting the truth be known about 9-11 and WMD's. Crucial investigations and studies over the jeapardizing of peoples lives, jobs, and health are being swept under the carpet or replaced with administration-approved views. We are so agressively pursuing the killer of our own people that a 24/7 hunt only began last month. Bush's war on terror has been too broad, too vague, too expensive, and too polarizing (iraq is evil, france is evil, germany is evil, anyone who doesn't support us is evil), "There ought to be limits to freedom", his inabilty to come off as someone mildly intelligent, this complete lack of focus on domestic policy (unless some event like gay marriage and not poor education comes off as 'troubling' to him), his administation's links to the oil industry, his belief that companies getting richer by seeking cheaper labor equates to recovery [the jobless recovery they call it] and..... I'd write more, I really I would.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: tallest1
You shouldn't vote for Bush because he's too stubborn with his beliefs. While some folks feel thats a good thing, the man has been attempting to add discrimination to the constitution unbending to the belief that existing and being gay is a sin. He's stuck to his with us or against us policy which has turned so many countries against us. Many things he doesn't believe in, he'll declare war on or create a law against it. Hes [or if you're republican, his 'intelligence'] is repeatedly decieving the american people. He is reluctantly letting the truth be known about 9-11 and WMD's. Crucial investigations and studies over the jeapardizing of peoples lives, jobs, and health are being swept under the carpet or replaced with administration-approved views. We are so agressively pursuing the killer of our own people that a 24/7 hunt only began last month. Bush's war on terror has been too broad, too vague, too expensive, and too polarizing (iraq is evil, france is evil, germany is evil, anyone who doesn't support us is evil), "There ought to be limits to freedom", his inabilty to come off as someone mildly intelligent, this complete lack of focus on domestic policy (unless some event like gay marriage and not poor education comes off as 'troubling' to him), his administation's links to the oil industry, his belief that companies getting richer by seeking cheaper labor equates to recovery [the jobless recovery they call it] and..... I'd write more, I really I would.

Proof?

 

[Phokus]

If you want someone who wants to expand the federal government to an even greater size and lies about it, lies about going to war, takes away our freedom, and is the biggest moron this country has ever seen, then vote for bush.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Phokus
If you want someone who wants to expand the federal government to an even greater size and lies about it, lies about going to war, takes away our freedom, and is the biggest moron this country has ever seen, then vote for bush.

Really, Phokus? What freedoms have you lost? Did you graduate from Yale? Did Saddam torture and kill his own people?

Basically, if you hate Bush, vote for Kerry. Other than that, there is no good reason to vote for Kerry... he has an embarrassing voting record and doesn't have a single core value to run on.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
RED-
OK, to agree with you I believe GW is way over the top with his religious views and since I have dealt with this all my life I would like him to back off there. Separation of Church and State should apply.

As for fiscal policy, I think he inherited a real problem since klinton took from the Military and now we need it so it looks bad to re invest when we should have just kept up all along.

McCain - Id vote for him in a heartbeat.
Hillary - Id hope I wouldnt have a heartbeat left so i agree there also.

Trying to be succinct and it is GWBs election to lose (JUST LIKE HIS FATHER DID) but what about Kerry? Want to see him in the Presidency?

BTW, I think Iraq needed what we did. I am not in favor of excuses but with real reasoning I think we needed to do it.

Well if you'd like to see McCain as President 4 years of Kerry should be more than enough to make it happen

 

[thebestMAX]

Right you are!

I was just stating that I consider the individual much more than the party. Kerry scares me as does Hillary.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: Phokus
If you want someone who wants to expand the federal government to an even greater size and lies about it, lies about going to war, takes away our freedom, and is the biggest moron this country has ever seen, then vote for bush.

The same goes for Kerry. The only difference between the two is how they raise the money to expand. Bush borrows Kerry will tax.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Phokus
If you want someone who wants to expand the federal government to an even greater size and lies about it, lies about going to war, takes away our freedom, and is the biggest moron this country has ever seen, then vote for bush.

Really, Phokus? What freedoms have you lost? Did you graduate from Yale? Did Saddam torture and kill his own people?

Basically, if you hate Bush, vote for Kerry. Other than that, there is no good reason to vote for Kerry... he has an embarrassing voting record and doesn't have a single core value to run on.

Patriots Act, support for extending the assault weapons ban, cracking down on states rights issues (i.e. medicinal marijuana, assisted suicide, homosexual marriage) etc.

Not to mention exposing me and my fellow citizens harm because of his war in iraq.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Phokus
If you want someone who wants to expand the federal government to an even greater size and lies about it, lies about going to war, takes away our freedom, and is the biggest moron this country has ever seen, then vote for bush.

Really, Phokus? What freedoms have you lost? Did you graduate from Yale? Did Saddam torture and kill his own people?

Basically, if you hate Bush, vote for Kerry. Other than that, there is no good reason to vote for Kerry... he has an embarrassing voting record and doesn't have a single core value to run on.

Patriots Act, support for extending the assault weapons ban, etc.

Not to mention exposing me and my fellow citizens harm because of his war in iraq.

Yeah but invading Iraq saved us from Hussiens vast stockpiles of WMDs..errr...stopped his advanced Nuclear Weapons Program..errr.. made Iraq free of all Al Qaeda..errr..damn, fooled again!

 

[Romans828]

Kerry says the Bible contains "clauses" if thats not yankee lawyer talk for ya.........

Kerry is a friend of the communists and the terroists, what more need be said?

 

[thebestMAX]

GEEEZ, Red,

Take a position already.

To Kerry (and Romans828) I say,
The "Bible" shouldnt even enter in here.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Romans828
Kerry says the Bible contains "clauses" if thats not yankee lawyer talk for ya.........

Kerry is a friend of the communists and the terroists, what more need be said?

You are a blabbering idiot. I think that says it all!

 

[thebestMAX]

Well, Red and I agree on that point at least

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Well, Red and I agree on that point at least

LOL, if you think Romans is a fruitcake wait until you meet heartsurgeon!

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
RED-
OK, to agree with you I believe GW is way over the top with his religious views and since I have dealt with this all my life I would like him to back off there. Separation of Church and State should apply.

As for fiscal policy, I think he inherited a real problem since klinton took from the Military and now we need it so it looks bad to re invest when we should have just kept up all along.

McCain - Id vote for him in a heartbeat.
Hillary - Id hope I wouldnt have a heartbeat left so i agree there also.

Trying to be succinct and it is GWBs election to lose (JUST LIKE HIS FATHER DID) but what about Kerry? Want to see him in the Presidency?

BTW, I think Iraq needed what we did. I am not in favor of excuses but with real reasoning I think we needed to do it.

Of course, it was Clinton's military which we used in Iraq!

 

[thebestMAX]

Already had the pleasure of meeting heartsurgeon. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion just like everyone has an asshole.

Orsorum-

Correction, what was left of the Military after klinstone desimated it to make his fiscal plan look good. TG for dedicated people.

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: tallest1
You shouldn't vote for Bush because he's too stubborn with his beliefs. While some folks feel thats a good thing, the man has been attempting to add discrimination to the constitution unbending to the belief that existing and being gay is a sin. He's stuck to his with us or against us policy which has turned so many countries against us. Many things he doesn't believe in, he'll declare war on or create a law against it. Hes [or if you're republican, his 'intelligence'] is repeatedly decieving the american people. He is reluctantly letting the truth be known about 9-11 and WMD's. Crucial investigations and studies over the jeapardizing of peoples lives, jobs, and health are being swept under the carpet or replaced with administration-approved views. We are so agressively pursuing the killer of our own people that a 24/7 hunt only began last month. Bush's war on terror has been too broad, too vague, too expensive, and too polarizing (iraq is evil, france is evil, germany is evil, anyone who doesn't support us is evil), "There ought to be limits to freedom", his inabilty to come off as someone mildly intelligent, this complete lack of focus on domestic policy (unless some event like gay marriage and not poor education comes off as 'troubling' to him), his administation's links to the oil industry, his belief that companies getting richer by seeking cheaper labor equates to recovery [the jobless recovery they call it] and..... I'd write more, I really I would.

you do realize that bush and kerry have the same opinion as far as gay marriage, right?

truth be known about 9-11

?

Crucial investigations and studies over the jeapardizing of peoples lives, jobs, and health are being swept under the carpet or replaced with administration-approved views

?

this complete lack of focus on domestic policy

medicare reform, no child left behind, tax cuts - this doesnt count?

his administation's links to the oil industry

and this is bad why?