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Tell Me what you think about what I am buying

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HarryHood85

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I am ordering this stuff from newegg and am planning on ocing this system....do you guys think I should order something diffrent? Give me your opinion.


ASUS P4S533 Motherboard- $107
Intel Pentium4 1.8A GHz - $165
ANTEC Workstation Tower Model SX840 /w Antec Original P4 400 watt Power Supply - $109
Samsung Original DDR333 PC-2700 512mb CAS2.5 - $150
 
btw I am wanting to be able to o/c to around 2.4 ghz without much stress on the cpu.....this is why I am leaning towards the 1.8a instead of the 1.6a ...so don't suggest that i get the 1.6 just because it is cheaper.
 
Is that because the fsb will be higher in a 1.6 going 2.4 as opposed to a 1.8 going 2.4? Now I am not saying I don't want to go over 2.4....If i can get to 2.4 no problem then I will go higher. So if I wanted to get up to around 2.6+ would the 1.8 or 1.6 be a better choice?
 
At any given clock speed, the 1.6A will be faster than a 1.8A at the same speed because the 1.6A would have a higher FSB. From what I've read, if you get one of the P4s with a recent pack date, it should be able to hit 2.4 without breaking a sweat. Also, for the same money as that Samsung RAM, you can get 512MB of Corsair XMS PC2700 CAS2. Good choice on the case, my Antec PP660B just arrived today and its a very nice case. Also, while I'm not yet an expert on Intel motherboards, I've heard many negative opinions about the SIS 645DX chipset. From what I've heard, the Asus P4B533 and the EPoX 4G4A/+ are the best overclocking motherboards for the P4.
 
someones gotta talk you outta that P4S533 board
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Guys, not that I have a big opinion on 1.6A vs 1.8A, but FSB seems to have little effect on performance. Take a look at Anand's review on the 2.4B vs the 2.4. A few percent is the only difference. So running a 1.6 at 2.4 with a higher FSB than the 1.8 at 2.4 probably won't have even a noticable amount of difference unless you're counting frame rates.

Of course there is no reason not to run the higher FSB, but there isn't a lot of evidence to suggest you need to.
 
Rainsford ~ i dont mean to be rude but...
after youve had some 1st hand experience - let us know 😉

perhaps you shouldve posted that in the form of a question?
 
Ditto " on ditch the Sis645DX MB I had one and it wouldn't get to 150FSB, although it did have all the
bells and whistles😉
 
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
Rainsford ~ i dont mean to be rude but...
after youve had some 1st hand experience - let us know 😉

perhaps you shouldve posted that in the form of a question?
Click to expand...

I don't need to spend my hard earned money to learn these things. That's what I read review sites for. Perhaps Anand's numbers are misleading, but from what I've seen it doesn't make a lot of difference. However, I don't want anyone to say I'm not open to corrections to my ideas, so if you have numbers that indicate otherwise, bring 'em on! 😉
 
3DMark2001se

i845 16x150fsb 400DDR 2400mhz > > > 9501 (edit - added this score)
i845 16x150fsb 300DDR 2400mhz > > > 9044

SiS645 18x133fsb 400DDR 2400mhz > > > 9022
SiS645 18x133fsb 333DDR 2400mhz > > > 8868
SiS645 18x133fsb 266DDR 2400mhz > > > 8573


the i845 can perform just as fast with only 300DDR too? :Q LMAO!
 
Thugsrook, what's comparing the p4b533 chipset with the p4s533 chipset have to do with Rainsfords' comment? If anything you've just shown that his comment is true. There's not much of a difference if you take into account video card differences, memory type and brand, cpu brands differences and characteristics, chipset differences and characteristics. I can take my p4t533 or a BD7II for that matter with my 1.6A and a GF 4 Ti 4600 and put up some really impressive numbers if you're looking at front side bus alone. Maybe what you should have said was that you "don't mean to be arrogant".
 
not only does the 16x150 beat the 18x133 - it does it at a disadvantage!

it also shows what a POS the SiS645 is.

i am completely ON TOPIC here.

BTW: the i845 1.6a setup is cheaper too.
 
Hrmmm do I:

a) believe a couple reviews saying that an unoverclocked chipset beats another one?

b) read THUGSROOK'S informative posts with practical, methodical hands on rigorous testing on how effective the boards are when OC'ed?

I think that is pretty much a no brainer. If this was just idle chatter between a few folks wondering what chipsets were better, then maybe everyone would have a valid point. Hard to argue with the man when he's gone to those lengths to benchmarks the latest P4 chipsets and provided us with hard data.

My 4G4A+ is in the mail, based primarily on the posts in the motherboards and OCing forums by Thugs et al. 😀
 
to make this more clear for HarryHood85 who is probably tryin to figure this all out....

Harrys thinkin of a 1.8A P4S533 combo...
we are telling him the 1.6A i845D combo is faster and cheaper...
if he wants to go even faster - he can get a i845 board that supports 4:5 or 3:4 memory ratios and run 400ddr. (400ddr will be a few more $s tho)

there are quite a few of those i845 boards out there that have ratios too. if he really wants an Asus board he can get the el_cheapo (but excellent) P4B266/-C and still hack the ratio very easily. (his only other Asus i845 option is the P4B533-V and that aint a cheap board)

HTH HarryHood85 🙂
 
good move!!!! Never doubt thugs, guys!!!

I have also tested 2.4ghz with a) 1.8@2.4 w/ 133fsb(533fsb) and using a 4:5 ratio for 333mhz ddr on sis p4s333 mobo b) 1.6@2.4 w/ 150fsb(600fsb) and 1:1 for 300mhz ddr on i845d epox mobo and in divx encoding test which I already proved in other test perfers raw cpu clock versus high bandwidth alone....The 133fsb did the video encoding (alone) (2pass-2cd-gknot 0.25version divx 3.11 of "gone in 60 seconds") in 2:39min...150 fsb did it in 2:34 minutes....3.2%

Yes that is minute, but it was giving up 33mhz on the ddr and every minute helps....

My 1.6@2.67ghz with same 333mhz ddr and 666mhz fsb does it now in 2:14...that is a 18.7% increase over 2.4 with 133fsb(533fsb) though clock diff was only 11.3%...So I gained about 7% in there increasing the fsb alone....Against the 600fsb 2.4 I gained 14.9% for a 3.6% gain due to fsb increase...
 
chartified! ....lol 🙂

Duvie's divx encoding test
1.8@2.4 133fsb 4:5 333mhz ddr sis p4s333
2:39 minutes

1.6@2.4 150fsb 1:1 300mhz ddr i845d epox
2:34 minutes (3.2% gain)

1.6@2.67 166fsb 1:1 333mhz ddr i845d epox
2:14 minutes (18.7% gain)
 
Thanks for all the help guys. Thugsrook: I was looking on newegg and pricewatch for the p4b533-v and didn't see it, the closest thing was the p4b533-vm which is pretty crappy (only 3 pci slots and 2 ddr slots). I also saw a board called the p4b533 with no letter after it, it cost $145 but the reveiws are really good and it has 6 pci and 3 ddr slots. So I am now starting to lean towards the regular p4b533 even though it is expensive I think it will be worth the extra money in the long run...do you think this is a good board to get?
 
Also, on newegg.com the p4b533 says "Memory 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 2GB unbuffered PC2100 /PC1600 DDR DRAM". Will I be able to run my 2700 memory at ddr 400 on this board?
 
Really mature response, Thugsrook. Why do you throw a temper tantrum everytime someone disagrees with you? I enjoy reading your posts because they're very informative. So, somehow i expected better from you. Anyway, you're obviously biased against the SiS chipsets. Duvie's above bench is on a P4S333 using the SiS645 chipset and not a P4S533 using the SiS645DX chipset. It also shows the marginal difference in performance that I alluded to earlier. You also imply that the P4S533 doesn't have the 4:5 and 3:4 memory ratios and that's not true. HarryHood85 is probably getting the impression that the P4S533 motherboard is a complete piece of junk. And, that's also not true. It's one of the most stable overclocker's motherboards on the market. My backup computer contains a P4S533 mobo with a second 1.6A overclocked @ 2447 with 1.5 vcore, stock HSF, 153 MHZ at 4:5 ratio using 256mb samsung pc2700. Haven't had one burp out of it and it runs 3dmark2001 in a loop all day long.
 
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