Tell me how I can get scammed on this deal.

[marmasatt]

OP, is the buyer's name Harvey?

(Serious question!)

MotionMan

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[marmasatt]

You are wrong about that, the bolded part. While Paypal can and would freeze your Paypal account and leave you with a negative balance, Paypal cannot access your linked bank account without your permission.

Actually, I don't want this to get derailed ..... (ah who cares... derail it)....I'm not sure this is true. You don't think Paypal can levy your bank account if you take what turns out to be a "stolen" $700 someone paid you and put it into your own account and refuse or don't have the money to pay them back? I'm sure it's not instant, but PP is almost as bad ad big government in what they can do to you...

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You are wrong about that, the bolded part. While Paypal can and would freeze your Paypal account and leave you with a negative balance, Paypal cannot access your linked bank account without your permission.

Wrong!!

Edit: When you sign up for paypal you allowed them to pull funds from your linked accounts during a dispute. I've personally had it happen, and we read about it all the time on the forums.



Buyer uses fake CC or does a chargeback on CC = Paypal instantly pulls funds from seller's paypal account, if that doesn't cover it then their bank account.

Buyer wins dispute over a bunch of BS that is essentially paypal being too lazy to investigate properly = Paypal instantly pulls funds from seller's paypal account, if that doesn't cover it then their bank account.




The bottom line is that as a seller, you have NO protection whatsoever when using paypal.

 

[MotionMan]

Wrong!!

Edit: When you sign up for paypal you allowed them to pull funds from your linked accounts during a dispute. I've personally had it happen, and we read about it all the time on the forums.



Buyer uses fake CC or does a chargeback on CC = Paypal instantly pulls funds from seller's paypal account, if that doesn't cover it then their bank account.

Buyer wins dispute over a bunch of BS that is essentially paypal being too lazy to investigate properly = Paypal instantly pulls funds from seller's paypal account, if that doesn't cover it then their bank account.




The bottom line is that as a seller, you have NO protection whatsoever when using paypal.

When I use to use eBay and PayPal, I had a bank account that I set up just for PayPal. When I would get paid, I would immediately transfer the funds from PayPal to that account, then immediately withdraw those funds.

If they tried to pull anything back from that account, they would get $1.

I closed my eBay and PayPal accounts years ago and I never had such an issue come up, so I have no idea what they would have tried to do to get funds back from me.

MotionMan

 

[SpatiallyAware]

When I use to use eBay and PayPal, I had a bank account that I set up just for PayPal. When I would get paid, I would immediately transfer the funds from PayPal to that account, then immediately withdraw those funds.

If they tried to pull anything back from that account, they would get $1.

I closed my eBay and PayPal accounts years ago and I never had such an issue come up, so I have no idea what they would have tried to do to get funds back from me.

MotionMan

They would send it to collections.


Paypal is a NASTY company, I'm surprised you haven't read many of the paypal-hate threads around here.

 

[MotionMan]

They would send it to collections.


Paypal is a NASTY company, I'm surprised you haven't read many of the paypal-hate threads around here.

They would get extremely butt-hurt if they tried that with me.

Then again, I gave up on eBay/PayPal years ago.

MotionMan

 

[SpatiallyAware]

They would get extremely butt-hurt if they tried that with me.

Then again, I gave up on eBay/PayPal years ago.

MotionMan

I mean, that's great. You and I probably keep tabs on things like this and know how to handle them.


However to most people, having paypal send something to collections would be a MAJOR headache and issue. In all reality it would be easier to collect on a bad check than recover money from paypal.

 

[MotionMan]

I mean, that's great. You and I probably keep tabs on things like this and know how to handle them.


However to most people, having paypal send something to collections would be a MAJOR headache and issue. In all reality it would be easier to collect on a bad check than recover money from paypal.

It would be a major headache and issue for me, too. The only difference would be that I (and you) would eventually come out on top. I agree that most people would be screwed, however.

MotionMan

 

[ViviTheMage]

you would be better off taking a slight loss to sell it for cash locally or on FS/T or something

 

[marmasatt]

You are wrong about that, the bolded part. While Paypal can and would freeze your Paypal account and leave you with a negative balance, Paypal cannot access your linked bank account without your permission.

you would be better off taking a slight loss to sell it for cash locally or on FS/T or something

Yes, that is also what I'm thinking. I don't "owe" this guy anything as it's basically like he paid me without permission. But still....

 

[Brainonska511]

Yes, that is also what I'm thinking. I don't "owe" this guy anything as it's basically like he paid me without permission. But still....

That screams scammer.

 

[KaOTiK]

Sounds like a scam.

Paypal also gives him 90 days iirc to get a refund. Depending on how the tickets are transferred he can claim he never received them (if you mail them, you are screwed because tracking doesn't mean anything when he claims the envelope was empty or just plain paper).

Considering he sent you more money than agreed on and before the deal was even truly done, this guy is a scammer.

 

[marmasatt]

Sounds like a scam.

Paypal also gives him 90 days iirc to get a refund. Depending on how the tickets are transferred he can claim he never received them (if you mail them, you are screwed because tracking doesn't mean anything when he claims the envelope was empty or just plain paper).

Considering he sent you more money than agreed on and before the deal was even truly done, this guy is a scammer.

It absolutely screams scammer. I agree with everything you are saying, with one exception. He is basically a reseller, or flight ticket "scalper" so to speak. He is getting what equates out to potentially $2000-$2500 worth of flights. Even if not a scammer, *this* is his incentive for paying a bit more.

How could he claim he didn't receive the item when I have to both make, and confirm the itinerary for him? Is that too intangible for paypal? To say look, we were on the phone, he was advised of the flight schedule, and here is both his confirmation email and our phone log.

I did put an offer out to a local guy and posted in the FS/FT forum. I owe this guy nothing as far as I am concerned. I may even rat myself out and call paypal at this point.

I know you guys are just telling me what I don't want to hear and I appreciate it.

 

[marmasatt]

OK, if he is paying with Paypal and you aren't shipping anything it's an EASY PEASY TARGET. I mean easy, if you aren't physically shipping anything, all he has to do is open a dispute saying "item not received" and he will win, NO MATTER WHAT. The big no no on Ebay is to post listings for electronic items as a savvy scammer can purchase your item and you send him the code, etc. by email and Paypal does not consider that proof of delivery and will always side with the buyer.

if the dude sent you money, send it the fuck back.

Member with the fewest posts chimes in FTW :thumbsup:

I don't know that this guys is a scammer. Personally I truly believe he is a savy reseller (read: scalper). But it's not worth the risk. Thanks for all the help!

Per PP website:

Why doesn't Seller Protection cover deliveries made in person, or intangible goods (such as digital goods or services)?

One of the most important requirements for coverage under Seller Protection is proof of shipment or delivery. Since deliveries made in person and sales of intangible goods do not have verifiable shipping documentation, we cannot currently extend protection for these types of transactions.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

OP: the online guy is 100% legit, I looked into it.

Spoiler

good troll, OP. Had me going for a moment