Telegram Founder Pavel Durov Arrested in France

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The fault line seems to be between freedom of speech and allowing disinformation an unfettered voice.

"Since Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Telegram has become the main source of unfiltered content about the war and the politics surrounding the conflict, but it has also been a source of disinformation.

Some analysts describe it as a "virtual battlefield" used intensively by both Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his officials, as well as by the Russian government.

However, it is an application that still does not meet the requirements of the European Union, which has led to it being temporarily suspended in some member countries, such as Spain.

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Durov’s arrest raises important questions about the balance between freedom of expression and the need to moderate online content.

Telegram has faced criticism for its relatively lax approach to moderation, which has allowed the platform to be used for illegal activities but has also provided a space for free expression in authoritarian regimes.

This case could have far-reaching implications for social media and messaging platforms around the world, potentially influencing future content moderation policies and the way these platforms operate in different legal jurisdictions."
 
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Moderation is a fine line of guiding members within board/site rules and allowed topics to allow dissenting voices to express their positions and opinions without allowing ill-meaning forces to spread discord and disruption.
 

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He's actually the founder of telegram.
I know, I originally had that in my comment, but it states that right in the very article, and the quoted text, talks about Telegram, not tik tok, that the OP posted, so I figured why mention it again.. LOL I should have just asked "how does telegram = Tik tok?"
 
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Can somebody book this fool a flight to France?

Zuckerberg says the White House pressured Facebook over some COVID-19 content during the pandemic

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Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg says senior Biden administration officials pressured Facebook to "censor" some COVID-19 content during the pandemic ...
 
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Can somebody book this fool a flight to France?

Zuckerberg says the White House pressured Facebook over some COVID-19 content during the pandemic

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Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg says senior Biden administration officials pressured Facebook to "censor" some COVID-19 content during the pandemic ...
This is old news. We already know this, as it's the reason lawsuits made it all the way to SCOTUS. They pressured them and other social media outlets, to block disinformation, and the SCOTUS ruled in the White house's favor (amazing I know).
 
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In a competitive system where corporations struggle to offer products that cost the least to produce and can be sold at the maximum salable value tow things are sure to happen. One is that the products will have the least quality in them possible and cost as much as the market will bear. This creates adulteration and inflation and massive mental illness. Massive mental illness creates massive despair and huge screams, always socially discouraged, for help. Social media to the rescue with a new form of pain relieving addiction, collective cults of all manner of victimization, communal commiseration, and methodologies to inflict revenge.

What to do?

Do people really want answers? I don't think so. Ask yourself. Do you want someone wiser than you speaking truth to your face. Don't we only hear criticism and not intended help in that case? He or she, one's brothers keeper, do you want their nose in your business. Do you like being around people who care for you more than you do? Look at yourself. Isn't it the nature of fools to be angry at others who know better, who don't impose on themselves self inflicted misery? And would anybody want to deal with such fools. We all know what Dunning-Kruger's Effect is.

So when the government seeks to solve difficult social problems in a sincere and brotherly way, what is it up against. Two things really, seems to me. One is the arrogance of people too ignorant to know their own ignorance, and all those out there making a profit off that ignorance. Huge profits can be had fulfilling the endless and insatiable needs of people who live in ignorance so keeping them that way is goal one of big business.

Truth and information are dangerous. They lead to happiness and freedom. Any touch stone that separates gold from dross is a threat to people in a competitive system. There is no solution within the system. Only revolution will do, the awakening of conscious awareness that leads to real self respect. A wise person who knows he or she knows nothing isn't offended by truth.
 

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It's not disinformation that's the issue but criminal activity.

According to French media reports, the investigation centres on allegations of fraud, drug trafficking, organised crime, promotion of terrorism and cyberbullying on Telegram, and the accusation that Durov has failed to take action to inhibit criminal use of the app.
 
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It's not disinformation that's the issue but criminal activity.

Yep, the right is trying to paint this as censorship.

But the platform continued to facilitate criminal activity including child pron, pedos and drug dealers long after being informed of the activity.
 
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Zuckerberg says the White House pressured Facebook over some COVID-19 content during the pandemic

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Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg says senior Biden administration officials pressured Facebook to "censor" some COVID-19 content during the pandemic ...
Who are we to believe - the numerous Facebook employees who testified under oath that this didn't happen, or a nakedly transparent, not under oath attempt to curry Republican favor?
 
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Who are we to believe - the numerous Facebook employees who testified under oath that this didn't happen, or a nakedly transparent, not under oath attempt to curry Republican favor?
All requests were quite reasonable considering the threat to public health. That's what leaders do.
 

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Who are we to believe - the numerous Facebook employees who testified under oath that this didn't happen, or a nakedly transparent, not under oath attempt to curry Republican favor?
Kara Swisher called Zuck a liar on CNN:


Zuck is also the guy who claimed he's apolitical, but still gave an "attaboy" to Trump because he survived the assassination attempt. Hard to imagine Zuck's wife is pleased with his blowing kisses toward Trumpworld.
 
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Can we get the thread title changed yet?



(CN) — Pavel Durov, the Russian-born co-founder of Telegram, was formally charged late Wednesday by French authorities on suspicion of allowing illegal activity to take place on his popular social media platform and messaging app.

Durov, Telegram's flamboyant billionaire chief executive, was removed from detention and transferred to a Paris court on Wednesday afternoon ahead of the indictment. He will remain free on a 5 million euro bond, nearly $5.6 million, but cannot leave France.

French media reported that authorities also opened an investigation over allegations that Durov was violent with one of his sons in Paris who was attending school there in 2017.

An arrest warrant, reportedly issued in late March, accused Durov of not cooperating with authorities and allowing fraud, drug trafficking, cyberbullying, organized crime, child pornography and the promotion of terrorism to take place on the platform. There is no indication that Durov was personally involved in criminal activity on Telegram.

 

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Hah the Russian govt was angry with Pavel in the past for not giving them backdoor access and maybe not censoring content. Now they're on Pavel's side because Telegram is used by their agents.
 

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Righties love Telegram, hell even my 80+ year old mom who has zero tech ability uses it to get her fix of misinformation and conspiracy garbage.

Freeze Peach! I'm sure they are all yammering about this, not that I hear any of it anymore.
 
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Righties love Telegram, hell even my 80+ year old mom who has zero tech ability uses it to get her fix of misinformation and conspiracy garbage.

Freeze Peach! I'm sure they are all yammering about this, not that I hear any of it anymore.

Irony: The "save the children" qtards are defending what is quite possibly the largest child trafficking communication tool on the internet.
 
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