Tegra 2 based phones...

[Acanthus]

Is the LG Optimus 2x the only phone that has actually been announced?

I haven't seen any news regarding any other models coming out from any other manufacturers that i care about (HTC / Samsung / LG).

The Optimus 2x is looking pretty good but I would always like to know if there are alternatives out there.

Also a side question: Can we expect the Optimus 2x's performance to improve dramatically with Gingerbread because of dual core support? I have heard that FroYo does not support multithreading.

 

[s44]

Moto Atrix and Bionic

 

[Rayb]

The Bionic is a dual core but not Tegra 2. AFAIK, the only announced Tegra phones are the Moto Atrix and LG Optimus 2x.

 

[s44]

The Bionic is a dual core but not Tegra 2

Really doubt this, since the only other dual-core chips that have been announced are even further out into the future.

 

[Anubis]

every site reporting on CES has the Bionic as a Terga 2

 

[MrX8503]

Also a side question: Can we expect the Optimus 2x's performance to improve dramatically with Gingerbread because of dual core support? I have heard that FroYo does not support multithreading.

Performance is really up in the air, no one knows for sure really how it'll perform. All we have are some demo videos of the LG and Moto devices.

My guess is that it'll be similar in speed to the current iPhone4.

 

[Phokus]

Performance is really up in the air, no one knows for sure really how it'll perform. All we have are some demo videos of the LG and Moto devices.

My guess is that it'll be similar in speed to the current iPhone4.

A dual core phone? Heh, it should blow the iphone 4 out of the water.

 

[MrX8503]

A dual core phone? Heh, it should blow the iphone 4 out of the water.

It should, but I don't think it will.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

It should, but I don't think it will.

Why not? Current phones already go above iphone in performance while essentially matching it in "responsiveness"

 

[MrX8503]

Why not? Current phones already go above iphone in performance while essentially matching it in "responsiveness"

Judging from my experience with current Android/iPhones there is a performance gap. Then looking at the demos of Tegra 2 Gingerbread, it looks faster, but not any faster than an iPhone 4.

In an old Anandtech review of an Android device, Anand suggested that Android needs a dual core SOC to match the performance of an iPhone 4. I'm finding that to probably be true.

 

[shabby]

The responsiveness of the iphone ui is unmatched, even my overclocked/tweaked captivate isn't as smooth as i'd want it to be, that's why i'll be upgrading to the atrix or possibly the galaxy s2.

 

[Rayb]

Really doubt this, since the only other dual-core chips that have been announced are even further out into the future.

every site reporting on CES has the Bionic as a Terga 2

Do you really think that Tegra 2 has the only dual core chip in the industry? IMO based on the specs of both phones Atrix vs Bionic, one is running on Tegra 2 and the other is a TI OMAP4430 just like the RIM PlayBook.

Of course I could be wrong, but it makes no sense for Motorola to exclude another phone design in the same platform. Even AnandTech couldn't confirm it.

The next device announced is the Driod Bionic. This looks to be another dual-core 1GHz smartphone, however Motorola wouldn't clarify whether or not it was based on NVIDIA's Tegra 2.

 

[zerocool84]

Judging from my experience with current Android/iPhones there is a performance gap. Then looking at the demos of Tegra 2 Gingerbread, it looks faster, but not any faster than an iPhone 4.

In an old Anandtech review of an Android device, Anand suggested that Android needs a dual core SOC to match the performance of an iPhone 4. I'm finding that to probably be true.

Yup Anand said that. We don't know performance yet. Everything is just demo videos which as we always find out, mean nothing. We need to see in the hands of people.

 

[MrX8503]

Yup Anand said that. We don't know performance yet. Everything is just demo videos which as we always find out, mean nothing. We need to see in the hands of people.

I went to recheck Anand's statements and I may have taken them out of context. What he said was that the Galaxy S phones are fast, almost iPhone fast, but still has small hiccups.

He then later said a dual core may be necessary to smooth out those hiccups.

In any case, I'm gonna wait until I have a Moto Atrix in my hand before I pass judgement.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I went to recheck Anand's statements and I may have taken them out of context. What he said was that the Galaxy S phones are fast, almost iPhone fast, but still has small hiccups.

He then later said a dual core may be necessary to smooth out those hiccups.

In any case, I'm gonna wait until I have a Moto Atrix in my hand before I pass judgement.

Of course there are hiccups. The homescreen is dominated by widgets. Those widgets actively display information and every time you scroll to one, it has to update it on the fly. Unless you set it so that it never ever minimizes memory usage, it will hiccup if you have data intensive widgets. if you've set the homescreen to purposefully hold on to cache's permanently you just won't get lag. As for everything else, its a byproduct of the multitasking experience.

Hell. All of Androids hiccups are caused by multitasking and widget data retrieve. On most phones, if you open up one too many apps, you'll get a slight hiccup as the memory manager starts cleaning up, or if you switch to an app that has entered a lower power state, it'll hiccup. My phone really only hiccups after I've purposefully opened up like 15 apps to see what it acts like after I do it because at that point it starts hibernating apps to free RAM.

But I'll take the ability to have useful information on my home screens and the ability to multitask the hell out of my phone over a couple of stutters here and there.

 

[zerocool84]

Of course there are hiccups. The homescreen is dominated by widgets. Those widgets actively display information and every time you scroll to one, it has to update it on the fly. Unless you set it so that it never ever minimizes memory usage, it will hiccup if you have data intensive widgets. if you've set the homescreen to purposefully hold on to cache's permanently you just won't get lag. As for everything else, its a byproduct of the multitasking experience.

Hell. All of Androids hiccups are caused by multitasking and widget data retrieve. On most phones, if you open up one too many apps, you'll get a slight hiccup as the memory manager starts cleaning up, or if you switch to an app that has entered a lower power state, it'll hiccup. My phone really only hiccups after I've purposefully opened up like 15 apps to see what it acts like after I do it because at that point it starts hibernating apps to free RAM.

But I'll take the ability to have useful information on my home screens and the ability to multitask the hell out of my phone over a couple of stutters here and there.

Yes but he wasn't talking about that, he was talking about dual core phones finally making no-hicups Android phones which is basically clears up the biggest knock against Android. We don't know exactly how performance will be or how battery life will be, but it's great that these are coming out finally.

 

[Acanthus]

Thanks for the info guys.

All signs point to the Optimus 2x launching in late Feb... Here's hoping it can be rooted and upgraded to Gingerbread and up easily.