Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[emperus]

I can just imagine how fairly they'll treat him.

"Do you wish, Mr. Zimmerman, that you could have been there to protect Mr. Dunn?"

"Is it not true that he started the situation, as you did?"

"Do you think this Jury would have condemned you?"

That boy has screws loose for doing an interview. Perhaps brain damage from being punched in the head.

Are you just figuring that out now?
He exposed the image he tried to perfect at the trial.

Family Man - His wife left him the night before the incident (coincidence?), he then left his wife for a crazy woman, who told the world he was crazy \, and then he took her back.

He wasn't violent - Punched his FIL in the face and cut up a laptop. Story from his neighbor that he pulled out a gun on the UPS guy.

He is soft and couldn't fight his way out of paper bag - He admits now he loves Boxing and even tried to schedule a fight on TV with DMX.

I think at this point he is just mocking his supporters.

 

[BUTCH1]

So. Why hasn't treydead family filed a civil suit against Mr. Zimmerman?

Because if they did their ass would be took to the cleaners.

Like 12 year olds in this shit. Really. You skittles have zero understanding of self defense law.

What part of not civil immunity do you not understand?

Fuck. Really. It's like talking to a 12 year old. So dumb. Much ignorance.

WTF is a "skittle" exactly? clarify this so I can report you and hopefully the mods will ban you yet again.

 

[cubby1223]

WTF is a "skittle" exactly? clarify this so I can report you and hopefully the mods will ban you yet again.

People he'd like to shoot dead, and people who refuse to accept his "right" to shoot them dead.

 

[HumblePie]

Well, first I don't see much in the way of debris.

The outer shell, usually some type of plastic, is affixed pretty well to the (steel) door. If the window was rolled down a bullet could be expected to smash some glass, but I would expect that to fall down inside the door.

There are also some metal/plastic mechanical type items inside, such as the door lock/unlock rods. I wouldn't expect them to shatter etc, just be bent. But if one did come loose I would expect it to fall down inside the door.

I can see some debris possible if the bullet just happened to hit some of the harder pieces on the outside of the door panel. E.g., the inside handle for opening the door. That's usually made of cheap metal and could shatter. Also, often there's often a brittle plastic 'cup' that goes on before the door handle is reattached. It's hard plastic so it can take the wear from your hands/fingernails etc when you grab for the handle. I would guess if one of those pieces were shattered shards would fly in all directions and some could be expected to find their way onto the ground if the door were opened wide enough.

The door panel itself isn't brittle so I don't see any shattering with it. The bullet could poke a hole it, or could 'chew through'. If so, you may have some 'curely cue' thingies. If any came loose i would expect them to go in the direct of the bullet. Even if one managed to fall to the ground a 2 mph breeze would be enough to blow it away.

I'm just saying I wouldn't find a lack of debris conclusive.

Fern

That's pretty much what I was going to reply. Anything that came loose would be very, very small. Most of it would have traveled with the bullet and landed on Davis or even in him. That is assuming there was any such debris. The only possible debris that wouldn't land inside the door would be from the outer edge of the inside door panel. Which is usually a softer plastic, rubber, in many cases leather. Mine are leather. There would be some splitting of the material as the bullet went through, but no major debris would be possible through those materials.

Anything hard and brittle could break and case debris. The only thing would be the door handle in most cases at the edge. However, that harder piece would impact the bullet more than a softer material that is stretch taunt. Meaning it would change angles, deflect, or even possibly stop the bullet. Especially considering the bullet had to have lost momentum going through the initial metal plating of the outside part of the door, then the glass, and any mechanisms in the way. Which is why only that one bullet of the initial three made it through. It really is touch to shoot a small caliber pistol round through a door reliably an expect to hit anything on the other side.

 

[Druidx]

Are you just figuring that out now?
He exposed the image he tried to perfect at the trial.

Family Man - His wife left him the night before the incident (coincidence?), he then left his wife for a crazy woman, who told the world he was crazy \, and then he took her back.

He wasn't violent - Punched his FIL in the face and cut up a laptop. Story from his neighbor that he pulled out a gun on the UPS guy.

He is soft and couldn't fight his way out of paper bag - He admits now he loves Boxing and even tried to schedule a fight on TV with DMX.

I think at this point he is just mocking his supporters.

Funny to see you here after your cop-out claiming you would never post here again once it was clearly obvious you were wrong in the Zimmerman case.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=35245487&highlight=#post35245487
You threw a fit that someone insulted you after spending a year claiming everyone who didn’t agree with you was a racist or calling them stupid if they didn’t agree with your opinion on the case. Opinions like these….

Emp previous claimed Serino said it was racial.
We all know this was a flat out lie but I listed it first because it's my favorite example of Emp's BS.

Emp previous claimed you could tell Serino thought GZ was lying because of the questions he asked.
Serino testified it was just an interview tactic to try an bring up new information or break a story. Under cross, Serino testified he believed GZ account of events.

Emp previous claimed GZ would be found guilty based on the inconsistencies between different interviews.
Serino testified he would expect similar inconsistencies between tellings of the same story because people are not robots, they will never tell the same story twice.

Emp previous claimed the evidence didn't support GZ story
Serino testified that the evidence supported GZ story.

Emp previous implied GZ injuries didn't support self defense
Serino testifies GZ injuries did support his story of self defense, not only that he also testified that injuries are not required for self defense.
Professor Carter: Injuries not needed for "reasonable fear," but "the fact that there were injuries" can support fear"

Emp insisting there was no proof TM hit GZ head on the sidewalk
The Prosecution’s own witness testified the head injuries are consistent with GZ head striking cement.


LMAO

 

[mugs]

WTF is a "skittle" exactly? clarify this so I can report you and hopefully the mods will ban you yet again.

He mistakenly believes that anyone who believes Dunn is guilty must also be a Trayvon Martin supporter (Trayvon was carrying Skittles when he died). Like the facts of the cases don't even matter.

I was on Zimmerman's side once it became apparent that he was actually defending himself. In this case there is no evidence of self-defense except what comes from a known liar and convicted violent felon.

 

[MetalMat]

He mistakenly believes that anyone who believes Dunn is guilty must also be a Trayvon Martin supporter (Trayvon was carrying Skittles when he died). Like the facts of the cases don't even matter.

I was on Zimmerman's side once it became apparent that he was actually defending himself. In this case there is no evidence of self-defense except what comes from a known liar and convicted violent felon.

Same here.

 

[HumblePie]

He mistakenly believes that anyone who believes Dunn is guilty must also be a Trayvon Martin supporter (Trayvon was carrying Skittles when he died). Like the facts of the cases don't even matter.

I was on Zimmerman's side once it became apparent that he was actually defending himself. In this case there is no evidence of self-defense except what comes from a known liar and convicted violent felon.

We disagree about the evidence presented about the Dunn case, but at least you are not being an obnoxious troll about it like others. That I can respect. I think to the facts of each case spidey was right, but everything else, I do not agree with. Terms like "skittles" and "treydead" are just trolling as well and not needed. But there are posters here on the other side that are just as bad if not worse than spidey in some sense.

 

[bshole]

I am somewhat surprised and happy to see that it is possible for a jury with southern whites on it to convict a white man for attacking black kids. I am disappointed that they did not convict on manslaughter.

The fact that there was a conviction should be good for race relations in the South. A massive miscarriage of justice to the advantage of a white man and disadvantage of black victims was AVOIDED. There would probably have been some rightfully deserved backlash from the black community if that had occurred.

 

[HumblePie]

I am somewhat surprised and happy to see that it is possible for a jury with southern whites on it to convict a white man for attacking black kids. I am disappointed that they did not convict on manslaughter.

The fact that there was a conviction should be good for race relations in the South. A massive miscarriage of justice to the advantage of a white man and disadvantage of black victims was AVOIDED. There would probably have been some rightfully deserved backlash from the black community if that had occurred.

Wow, seriously more racist trolling crap from you?

 

[werepossum]

Maybe maybe maybe maybe ...

Maybe by keeping keys in my pocket all the time I've prevented a tiger from attacking me.

LMAO! +1

I do not know why they came back, but I'd flee too if someone was shooting at me.

No shit.

I really don't think the jury spent 3+ days deliberating out of intellectual dishonesty. They were faced with the parameters of Florida law, and had to negotiate among them. I think they tried their best.

Well said.

This seems a reasonable outcome to me, although given no evidence of a shotgun I'd have gone for aggravated manslaughter or maybe murder 2. A teenager attempting to get out of his vehicle to escalate a confrontation MAY be evidence of intent to assault, but I don't think a reasonable and armed person would necessarily find it so. I do agree with whomever (Waggy? Wacky Dan?) posted that hopefully kids will learn from his death (in addition to people going armed) to be more polite, because escalating with someone you feel is "disrespecting" you may get you killed. If you're shot dead, being disrespected probably doesn't seem quite so important. Same with people who carry - I bet in hindsight Dunn wishes he had attempted to de-escalate even though he was armed. But as always, we'll probably learn the wrong lessons here.

Before this I'd have been tempted to call for death for those who blare out painfully loud music around others, with no regard for their comfort. But with a kid shot dead, it doesn't seem quite so irritating. Death has a way of putting things in proper perspective.

 

[cubby1223]

Funny to see you here after your cop-out claiming you would never post here again once it was clearly obvious you were wrong in the Zimmerman case.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=35245487&highlight=#post35245487
You threw a fit that someone insulted you after spending a year claiming everyone who didn’t agree with you was a racist or calling them stupid if they didn’t agree with your opinion on the case. Opinions like these….

Careful, emperus takes his online fights very seriously. He seeks people out outside of this forum and harasses them. I know because he tried to pull that shit on me. Used to keep my email address visible as per the fs/ft forum rules. Ain't visible no more!

Somewhere back in that Zimmerman thread he specifically said in response to someone else an insult based on the images of his facebook profile.

Just a general FYI to everyone here.

 

[TerryMathews]

There would probably have been some rightfully deserved backlash from the black community if that had occurred.

So its ok for the "black community" to throw a temper tantrum when they dont get their way?

TIL the "black community" isnt as mature as my four year old son.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Just a general FYI to everyone here.

Srsly? That guy needs to get a grip. 😵

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I wonder what the outcome of the appeal and retrial will be in this case. You never know, the convictions may be overturned due to no disproving self defense/lack of conviction on 1st degree murder/lesser included charges.

 

[Thebobo]

TIL the "black community" isnt as mature as my four year old son.

:whiste:

 

[bshole]

So its ok for the "black community" to throw a temper tantrum when they dont get their way?

TIL the "black community" isnt as mature as my four year old son.

Is it ok for them to be untreated unequally in the eyes of the law in case after case in the South? You keep kicking a dog, eventually it bites back, it is a law of nature.

That is why this case was important. I think something approaching justice was achieved here. I am glad it was widely televised. It will help to restore the confidence of black Americans in the system. This is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.

 

[TerryMathews]

:whiste:

Whistle all you want, BShole said it.

 

[TerryMathews]

Is it ok for them to be untreated unequally in the eyes of the law in case after case in the South? You keep kicking a dog, eventually it bites back, it is a law of nature.

Of course unequal treatment is unfair and should be addressed through legal channels . That isnt the result your comment was implying.

This isn't 1960. The sort of institutional racism you think justifies looting and rioting doesn't exist anymore, even in the south.

Every community should be held to the same standard. Black, white, Latino, or Muslim. You have an issue? Great. There are a multitude of different from avenues available to address it legally.

 

[TheSiege]

Of course unequal treatment is unfair and should be addressed through legal channels . That isnt the result your comment was implying.

This isn't 1960. The sort of institutional racism you think justifies looting and rioting doesn't exist anymore, even in the south.

Every community should be held to the same standard. Black, white, Latino, or Muslim. You have an issue? Great. There are a multitude of different from avenues available to address it legally.

There is no excuse for righting, and lets be honest, this is 1992 and no real riots have happened since then. Racism nowadays is on the larger scale. From income inequality. To the justice system. From education to profiling. The black community isn't just saying these things because they hate whitey. Widespread racism on large scale exists.

 

[TerryMathews]

There is no excuse for righting, and lets be honest, this is 1992 and no real riots have happened since then. Racism nowadays is on the larger scale. From income inequality. To the justice system. From education to profiling. The black community isn't just saying these things because they hate whitey. Widespread racism on large scale exists.

Ok, so let's be clear here.

I do not think they would actually riot. I was addressing BShole's post where it implied they would.

 

[TheSiege]

Ok, so let's be clear here.

I do not think they would actually riot. I was addressing BShole's post where it implied they would.

My mistake, I honestly don't know why the black community doesn't kick out there leaders, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and what not. Those guys have done effectively nothing. For everything they have done right, them seem to follow it up with something idiotic. Christ, we need someone like Martin Luther King more than ever.

 

[TerryMathews]

My mistake, I honestly don't know why the black community doesn't kick out there leaders, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and what not. Those guys have done effectively nothing. For everything they have done right, them seem to follow it up with something idiotic. Christ, we need someone like Martin Luther King more than ever.

Jesse and Al desensitize the rest of the population towards actual race issues by claiming everything is a race issue. In my opinion, they do as much harm to the black community as anything else.

There are issues with race. For all races. We dont have racial integration figured out yet.

I dont honestly believe that there is this tremendous wave of racism against blacks that doesn't have a correlation with racism against the other races. If that were the case, we would be entering year 6 of a McCain presidency.

 

[cubby1223]

Srsly? That guy needs to get a grip. 😵

Yea he does. To me, emperus took a screenshot of posts he thought clearly demonstrated reprehensible racist behavior, and emailed them to people he could link to me. I have mere scraps of an online presence, his quest was not successful.

Of the list of people who had recently viewed my profile here (where they would have needed to be to get my email address), most of them had not been on the forum in weeks or months, the only two users who had been online since the screenshotted posts were a moderator here and emperus.

(yes I did notify the mods back then of this).

 

[Druidx]

Yea he does. To me, emperus took a screenshot of posts he thought clearly demonstrated reprehensible racist behavior, and emailed them to people he could link to me. I have mere scraps of an online presence, his quest was not successful.

Of the list of people who had recently viewed my profile here (where they would have needed to be to get my email address), most of them had not been on the forum in weeks or months, the only two users who had been online since the screenshotted posts were a moderator here and emperus.

(yes I did notify the mods back then of this).

If he was going to do that to me he would have a long time ago. I've probably 200+ post pointing out his lies and or stupidity regarding the GZ case.