Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[spidey07]

Well except if they are gay. Right Spidey?



Of course according to his own words in this thread his gay friends could have shot him and it would have been a good shoot since he was committing a forcible felony at the time.

Umm. That was self defense.

 

[Daverino]

Umm. That was self defense.

You were defending yourself against being hit on?
Was the guy project lethal amounts of gay at you?

 

[dawheat]

Dunn's testimony is that he was pulled up with his driver's door at the level of the rear door of the SUV. He fired 3 shots at the rear door from the driver's seat of his car. Pause and the SUV began backing out the spot. 3 more shots, the angle of each consistent with the reversing vehicle. Then further pause, Dunn exits his car, the SUV completes backing out and is now accelerating away, 4 more shots at the right rear of the SUV.
This is the evidence.

Good info - lines up with my initial guess at the bullet pattern. He fired initially at the rear door while relatively perpendicular and then continued firing as the SUV backed up (front door shots).

Do the gun owners here really believe it's OK to fire multiple gunshots at people, and as long as you don't believe you killed anyone, don't feel obligated to contact the police or any authorities about what happened? I'd think any rational person would feel obligated to notify the police of any shooting incident, regardless of circumstance. Failing to do so is highly questionable no matter how you look at it.

 

[Paratus]

Umm. That was self defense.

Hitting on you is not a crime. However beating someone, as in the Travyon case, is justification for killing your attacker. Just be glad they weren't armed.


You try to come across as championing self defense but your history and posts suggest that all you really support is justification for lethal force against those you find undesirable.

Killing an unarmed teen is never "a good shoot" even when legal.

 

[spidey07]

Hitting on you is not a crime. However beating someone, as in the Travyon case, is justification for killing your attacker. Just be glad they weren't armed.


You try to come across as championing self defense but your history and posts suggest that all you really support is justification for lethal force against those you find undesirable.

Killing an unarmed teen is never "a good shoot" even when legal.

Bullshit. "teens" are extremely dangerous. pay fucking attention.

 

[HumblePie]

Good info - lines up with my initial guess at the bullet pattern. He fired initially at the rear door while relatively perpendicular and then continued firing as the SUV backed up (front door shots).

Do the gun owners here really believe it's OK to fire multiple gunshots at people, and as long as you don't believe you killed anyone, don't feel obligated to contact the police or any authorities about what happened? I'd think any rational person would feel obligated to notify the police of any shooting incident, regardless of circumstance. Failing to do so is highly questionable no matter how you look at it.

No it's not, I showed the youtube of his testimony. Strolla asks if the backseat was diagonally back from his location. He said it was. I showed the video and the where to seek in it to watch it.

 

[Paratus]

Bullshit. "teens" are extremely dangerous. pay fucking attention.

Bullshit. All teens are not dangerous. If you shoot the wrong ones you end up on trial.

Neither are all gays or all minorities.

 

[dawheat]

No it's not, I showed the youtube of his testimony. Strolla asks if the backseat was diagonally back from his location. He said it was. I showed the video and the where to seek in it to watch it.

I'll freely admit I didn't watch the testimony. Can anyone comment on Daverino's previous post?

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Yup. Exactly this. Multiple eyewitnesses corroborate it as well.

In Dunn's testimony on the stand he does state originally that he is even with the front door. However, everything he states thereafter is consistent with him being even with the back door.
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[mugs]

because it is just TOTALLY unbelievable that a truck load of black teenagers blasting rap music at ear shattering volumes might have threatened his life when asked to turn it down

When you put it that way, it sounds pretty silly doesn't it?

 

[HomerJS]

We have evidence there was no gun and no gun was found. Therefore Dunn's credibility goes away. Since Dunn testified self defense that goes away with his credibility.

 

[Jaskalas]

This whole "door open or not" question. Answered by ballistic evidence inside the rear. Where did they go after the door? The holes / damage inside the vehicle would determine whether the door was open or not.

 

[CitizenKain]

He originally didn't know he hit anyone or killed anyone at the scene until the next morning. Then he acted stupid by not calling the cops for sure right then and there. But that is a side issue and not what is on trial nor does it really matter towards the outcome of the trial.

Its not a side issue at all. He fired at a car full of other people, then left the area and ran away. Then did nothing. That shows that he couldn't have been threatened, because if he was, why didn't he call the police? He likely hoped things would blow over and the police wouldn't bother with someone shooting some black kid.

Dunn is attempting to paint a picture that he is a honest person who was simply defending himself, but his actions prove otherwise, that's why his running from the scene to go get dinner and drinks is important.

 

[cubby1223]

Its not a side issue at all. He fired at a car full of other people, then left the area and ran away. Then did nothing. That shows that he couldn't have been threatened, because if he was, why didn't he call the police? He likely hoped things would blow over and the police wouldn't bother with someone shooting some black kid.

Dunn is attempting to paint a picture that he is a honest person who was simply defending himself, but his actions prove otherwise, that's why his running from the scene to go get dinner and drinks is important.

Your reasoning is very flawed.

Your reasoning does not contradict the claim that Dunn felt threatened at the time he grabbed his gun and began firing.

Your reasoning suggests that looking back on the incident Dunn may have realized he was never in any actual danger from the teens.

But it doesn't contradict that he felt threatened at that moment.

 

[Jaskalas]

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Regarding the invocation of "Stand your ground" as this man had the capacity to retreat yet chose not to do so. Sounds like the law requires you to have been attacked. For there to be more than threats.

How is this not clear?

 

[Geosurface]

Dunn's testimony is that he was pulled up with his driver's door at the level of the rear door of the SUV.

Dunn parked his car aligned with the rear door of the SUV, not the front. This is confirmed by his testimony.

No. False. Incorrect. Both Dunn and the front passenger of the Durango (Tevin Thompson) confirm they were right next to one another, Dunn was pulled up so he was alongside the front passenger door.

1. When he rolled down the window to ask, 'Can you turn the radio down' and 'Are you talking about me?' he could not address anyone because the front window was rolled up throughout.

False. Tevin Thompson (the Durango front seat passenger) asserts he understood the request even with the tinted window up, and that the request was made TO HIM window to window, because they were next to one another. This agrees with Dunn's testimony.

2. He could not have seen both passengers in the back of the SUV.

False. Test it for yourself.

3. He could not have seen directly through the rear of SUV.

Directly as in straight shot? Perhaps not. But he could see that the far window in the rear was open by the light that came through, especially if at some point he was leaning back to get a better look through Jordan's window when he was attempting to determine what Jordan was saying, doing, and if he was talking about him.

4. He could not have shot the rear door while holding his gun as he described.

Unless the rear door was open. It was.

5. He could not have seen the passenger next to Jordan Davis 'scowl' at him.

I disagree.

6. He could not have heard Jordan Davis with his window up.

False. Tevin Thompson says he heard Michael Dunn while the music was at it's loudest, despite Tevin's window being up and Dunn speaking, not yelling. Even if Tevin is conflating reading his lips with actually hearing him, Jordan was yelling later and the music wasn't turned up back to its full volume at that point.

We have absolute proof Dunn heard Davis because the three other boys agree with the same phrasing Dunn says Davis used on the "fuck that n----r, turn it back up" part.

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Dunn's attorney: "And from the back window of that SUV to you, would that be a diagonal straight line?"
Dunn: "Yes"

He then goes onto confirm that in order to shoot him from Davis' window with a shotgun, the blast would need to also be facing the front entrance of the store. This would make no sense whatsoever if it was a straight shot from Davis' window over to Dunn's window which was aligned side by side as you guys are claiming.

John Guy: "And as y'all are parked is he essentially right next to you, that is, you're in the front passenger seat and he's in the driver's seat of the car on the passenger side?"
Tevin Thompson: "Yes sir."
John Guy: "And where was the defendant aiming the gun?"
Tevin Thompson: "Jordan's door"
John Guy: "And was the defendant still firing when Tommy backed up (the Durango)?"

 

[Dari]

Will any of this even matter if the prosecutor's office fucks up with the jury selection like they did in the Trayvon Martin case? Having the right jury, in addition to a good representative, is critical to winning a case.

 

[rudeguy]

Regarding the invocation of "Stand your ground" as this man had the capacity to retreat yet chose not to do so. Sounds like the law requires you to have been attacked. For there to be more than threats.

How is this not clear?

Because Trayvon Martin.

That case set a really low bar for using deadly force. I hope the shooter in this case goes to prison for a long time. I would personally like to discuss his racist views with him in a private room for about 10 minutes or so. I think people like him ruin our gene pool and make life for the rest of us worse. BUT the scared little bitch will probably be cleared. Florida screwed the pooch with the Martin case and now every scared little bitch who sees a big scary black man can shoot him and claim self defense.

 

[himkhan]

I would personally like to discuss his racist views with him in a private room for about 10 minutes or so.

You arent kidding and getting in line! There are a few of his best friends here I wouldn't mind getting throw into the same room and watch them pick corners in which to curl up into a ball and cower like the ladys they really are.

 

[Genx87]

Florida screwed the pooch in the Martin case because they didnt have a case at all and decided to roll the die to placate the race baiters.

This case is completely different. This guy should spend some time in prison.

 

[HumblePie]

I said and used the youtube video earlier for basically the same thing Geo. Daverino keeps spreading lies and fud on that. As well as Corporate Thug. All the testimony says Dunn was pulled up even with the front of the SUV.

Again, who takes the closest spot to the door to save on walking distance for his GF, and only decides to pull in halfway?

 

[HumblePie]

Because Trayvon Martin.

That case set a really low bar for using deadly force. I hope the shooter in this case goes to prison for a long time. I would personally like to discuss his racist views with him in a private room for about 10 minutes or so. I think people like him ruin our gene pool and make life for the rest of us worse. BUT the scared little bitch will probably be cleared. Florida screwed the pooch with the Martin case and now every scared little bitch who sees a big scary black man can shoot him and claim self defense.

That case, like this case, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

 

[rudeguy]

That case, like this case, you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

Shit

I keep forgetting we have a ballistics expert with a degree in Florida law who can shoot the lint out of a hooker's belly button at 80 yards.


My apologies.

 

[HumblePie]

Florida screwed the pooch in the Martin case because they didnt have a case at all and decided to roll the die to placate the race baiters.

This case is completely different. This guy should spend some time in prison.

How so? With the dowel rod pictures, the angle of the shot looks to favor Dunn's testimony that Davis had opened the car door and was in the process of getting out of it. Which directly conflicts with the testimony of the others in the SUV which said the door wasn't opened, and couldn't be opened because of the child locks. Of which the police determined the child locks were not engaged. So that's now a double whammy on their testimony.

The teens in the SUV all agree that they heard Davis say F--- that n*r. But when asked if he said specific threats, they all paused, and then said the music was too loud.

Up until the dowel rod pictures, I was basically under the assumption that Dunn was guilty, but there wasn't even evidence to convict him, and no real evidence for the defense except his testimony. Which means by the law he should be acquitted although people may feel otherwise.

Now there is solid evidence for the defense that Davis had attempted to come after Dunn by exiting the vehicle. That changes things.

 

[HumblePie]

Shit

I keep forgetting we have a ballistics expert with a degree in Florida law who can shoot the lint out of a hooker's belly button at 80 yards.


My apologies.

Shit I keep forgetting you have shit for brains. Get your gun yet? I surprised you managed to order it online finally considering how scared shitless over nothing you were.

What you going to do with your first gun? Place it on a mantle and pretend you know how to use it? Don't talk shit about the capabilities of others when you haven't even done shit yourself. Fucking retard.

 

[rudeguy]

Shit I keep forgetting you have shit for brains. Get your gun yet? I surprised you managed to order it online finally considering how scared shitless over nothing you were.

What you going to do with your first gun? Place it on a mantle and pretend you know how to use it? Don't talk shit about the capabilities of others when you haven't even done shit yourself. Fucking retard.

You really are a special kind of egotistical moron aren't you? My "first gun" is in the safe at home where it lives. I'm carrying my Glock 19 right now. So I'm not exactly sure what in the hell you are talking about. Yes I was nervous to drop over $1k on a gun online when I had never done that before. I will continue to be nervous until its in my hands.

I know very well how to use a gun. I use them quite often. However I don't make stupid claims that I can't back up. Even if you somehow did manage to hit a nickle at 50 yards, that would be of no help in a real world situation. You yourself said that you would need a rest and I have yet to hear of a self defense shooting where someone broke out an arm rest before he started. I practice for real world conditions.

Cardio man...cardio