Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

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I can't really figure out why you quoted me.

It seemed to be one of the more reasonable posts on what was at the time the last page.

Some of other posts on that page are from people who imo are quite frankly nutso.



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[mugs]

The defense attorney said that Davis' best friend initially had told police that Davis was grabbing the handle or starting to open the door or something like that, I don't know what evidence he has that that was said given that the cops didn't record those interviews, but I feel pretty confident that he has some evidence of it (perhaps a detective's written report or something) which will come out later in the trial.

The defense attorney is being a little "liberal" with the "facts," (e.g. the stash comment), so I wouldn't be confident that anything he has said will translate into facts during the trial.

They didn't say anything about child locks until a few days later and the cops found that the locks were NOT enabled. As for them knowing they were "always enabled" (which doesn't make sense for a young man who is driving around with other young men btw, child locks don't automatically disable when the cark is parked so he'd have to be unlocking it for his passengers every time they all got out? not believable) - two of them had only been in that truck once before, so they wouldn't have been in a position to know what was "always" enabled in it.

Yes, I pointed out months ago that the child locks weren't enabled when they said they were. If they lied, that's probably the best piece of evidence that Dunn-goofed has going for him.

I don't know why you think it's not believable that the child locks would always be enabled. If the SUV belonged to the kid's parents and he had younger siblings, that wouldn't be abnormal. When they drove to the adjacent parking lot, the driver and the front seat passenger both got out and opened the door behind them - that's what you'd do if the child locks are enabled.

 

[Genx87]

There will also be witnesses, including the GF, who will testify that Dunn drove off at high speed back to his motel room, ordered pizza, stayed the night, and then drove 3 hours home the next day, all without ever calling the police to report the incident. And the police will testify that the reason they found Dunn was because at least one of those witnesses managed to get his license plate number while he was speeding off.
Clearly the actions of an innocent, honest man and a responsible gun owner..

It baffled me how anybody can defend this guys actions. Clearly this is a horrible shoot on Dunns part. He was probably a prick who doesnt like "thugs" listening to their music. When he told them to turn it down and they disrepected him, he decided to shoot at them. Then drive off, order pizza, go home. And when caught come up with the story about having a shotgun pointed at him.

Dunn needs to go away for a long long time. Anybody who is defending him should seek professional help.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

For all of you thug supporters, this thread is pretty much identical to the beginning of the trayvon thread. You'd think you all would've learned before grabbing the pitchforks and lynching ropes so quickly.


I wonder what cross will look like with the rest of the felon thug crew? Maybe they can articulate their testimony better than dee-dee.

 

[thraashman]

For all of you thug supporters, this thread is pretty much identical to the beginning of the trayvon thread. You'd think you all would've learned before grabbing the pitchforks and lynching ropes so quickly.


I wonder what cross will look like with the rest of the felon thug crew? Maybe they can articulate their testimony better than dee-dee.

Wait, I believe you're the main thug supporter here. As I would say that opening fire on an unarmed group of young men and teenagers to be "thug" behavior. Loud music does not qualify.

 

[Pens1566]

For all of you thug supporters, this thread is pretty much identical to the beginning of the trayvon thread. You'd think you all would've learned before grabbing the pitchforks and lynching ropes so quickly.


I wonder what cross will look like with the rest of the felon thug crew? Maybe they can articulate their testimony better than dee-dee.

This, and your continued use of coded substitutes for the N word, is humorous coming from someone that was vacationed for blatant racist posts in that very thread.

You, spidey, and Geo are still on the medal stand for ATPN's "Most likely to be a moderator at StormFront" event in this years olympics.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Wait, I believe you're the main thug supporter here. As I would say that opening fire on an unarmed group of young men and teenagers to be "thug" behavior. Loud music does not qualify.

Thankfully some of us believe in "innocent until proven guilty" rather than "guilty because my soft modern progressive heart knows they're guilty"


I've made it very clear that I don't support dunn, I don't support his decisions nor think he is innocent on from a moral perspective.

But, we don't judge people on moral perspectives... We judge them on facts and evidence, and the results of a fair trial.



And based on the facts and evidence, I'm still predicting that dunn will walk. Particularly when the defense starts cornering the 3 remaining young bucks on what they were stashing and why.

One thing we know for sure, based on the trayvon trial, is that the DA is a goofball... And doesn't come across as particularly honest or straightforward. A florida jury will see right through this.

 

[Vic]

For all of you thug supporters, this thread is pretty much identical to the beginning of the trayvon thread. You'd think you all would've learned before grabbing the pitchforks and lynching ropes so quickly.


I wonder what cross will look like with the rest of the felon thug crew? Maybe they can articulate their testimony better than dee-dee.

You're right, we should get rid of the crime of murder and release all the convicted murderers from prison.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You're right, we should get rid of the crime of murder and release all the convicted murderers from prison.

We actually have a very well defined process for determining guilt. Easily the best in the world. Our justice system functions in a way where we would rather see 10 murderers go free than have 1 innocent person spend their life in prison.


If things worked the way you and your ilk wanted it to our prisons would be overflowing with innocent ivory people. And we just can't allow that, can we?

 

[mugs]

Thankfully some of us believe in "innocent until proven guilty" rather than "guilty because my soft modern progressive heart knows they're guilty"

He's presumed innocent by the justice system until proven guilty. We individuals who are not involved in that process can assume anything we want without interfering with his presumption of innocence.

You know, just like you and the rest of the sociopathic cross-burning crew have been assuming that Jordan Davis is guilty of assault.

I've made it very clear that I don't support dunn, I don't support his decisions nor think he is innocent on from a moral perspective.

But, we don't judge people on moral perspectives... We judge them on facts and evidence, and the results of a fair trial.

http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true

 

[Vic]

We actually have a very well defined process for determining guilt. Easily the best in the world. Our justice system functions in a way where we would rather see 10 murderers go free than have 1 innocent person spend their life in prison.


If things worked the way you and your ilk wanted it to our prisons would be overflowing with innocent ivory people. And we just can't allow that, can we?

Are you seriously making this argument while repeatedly calling the victims a "felon thug crew"?

Fuck off.

 

[Genx87]

For all of you thug supporters, this thread is pretty much identical to the beginning of the trayvon thread. You'd think you all would've learned before grabbing the pitchforks and lynching ropes so quickly.


I wonder what cross will look like with the rest of the felon thug crew? Maybe they can articulate their testimony better than dee-dee.

You understand the huge differences between these cases right? Like the lack of physical evidence Dunn was threatened? The fact Dunn fled and never contacted the police after having a weapon pointed at him? Zimmerman had physical evidence of an altercation and was present and cooperative with authorities after the fact.

 

[spidey07]

You folks really don't think it's highly likely the felon crew issued verbal threats against this man's life with credibility due to disparity of force? REALLY?!!

Because if they did, then it's a good shoot. No weapon needed.

 

[Pens1566]

Are you seriously making this argument while repeatedly calling the victims a "felon thug crew"?

Fuck off.

It's ok. He only applies it to the white guy.

 

[Genx87]

You folks really don't think it's highly likely the felon crew issued verbal threats against this man's life with credibility due to disparity of force? REALLY?!!

Because if they did, then it's a good shoot. No weapon needed.

Oh I am sure some words exchanged. But I dont believe a gun was displayed by the people shot at and killed. And verbal exchanges are not enough imo to go into your car, get a gun, and shoot people. Then flee and never call the police after you had a life threatening altercation.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You folks really don't think it's highly likely the felon crew issued verbal threats against this man's life with credibility due to disparity of force? REALLY?!!

Because if they did, then it's a good shoot. No weapon needed.

Yup, and that's all the defense has to convince the florida jury.. That a group of young men including 3 time felon caused him to fear for his life after he requested that they turn down their music.


Again, these 3 young men will be cross examined. They will be heavily question on what the witness saw them stash and why. This will happen in front of the jury.

 

[Pens1566]

Yup, and that's all the defense has to convince the florida jury.. That a group of young men including 3 time felon caused him to fear for his life after he requested that they turn down their music.


Again, these 3 young men will be cross examined. They will be heavily question on what the witness saw them stash and why. This will happen in front of the jury.

Liar

 

[Vic]

You folks really don't think it's highly likely the felon crew issued verbal threats against this man's life with credibility due to disparity of force? REALLY?!!

Because if they did, then it's a good shoot. No weapon needed.

Was it still a good shoot when Dunn was firing at the rear window of the SUV while they were driving off? I suppose you're going to argue now that it's self-defense to shoot someone in the back?

 

[Genx87]

Yup, and that's all the defense has to convince the florida jury.. That a group of young men including 3 time felon caused him to fear for his life after he requested that they turn down their music.


Again, these 3 young men will be cross examined. They will be heavily question on what the witness saw them stash and why. This will happen in front of the jury.

And then that same jury can listen to Dunn explain why he drove off, eat a pizza, went home, and never called the police after feeling his life was threatened by these people.

Good luck with all that.

 

[Vic]

You understand the huge differences between these cases right? Like the lack of physical evidence Dunn was threatened? The fact Dunn fled and never contacted the police after having a weapon pointed at him? Zimmerman had physical evidence of an altercation and was present and cooperative with authorities after the fact.

I'll say it again. The only similarity between this case and the Zimmerman trial is that a 17 year black kid got shot and killed in Florida. Otherwise, they are completely different scenarios.

 

[Vic]

Yup, and that's all the defense has to convince the florida jury.. That a group of young men including 3 time felon caused him to fear for his life after he requested that they turn down their music.


Again, these 3 young men will be cross examined. They will be heavily question on what the witness saw them stash and why. This will happen in front of the jury.

I know it's hard for you to understand, but the victims are not on trial here.

Plus, if you're concerned about what the jury will hear, you should think about what the officers who first arrived at the scene will be saying on the stand.

 

[Exophase]

Or not. I've most certainly known people who would say something without having any gun in a situation like that. They exist, believe me. I'm not one of them btw. I would have endured it for a couple minutes and left. If I had a neighbor who blasted loud ass music constantly though, I might eventually go over and say something to them (or maybe I'd call cops, not sure) - and I wouldn't be armed when I did it. In a functioning society that's supposed to be possible to do.

But the whole point was that he needed a gun to make it a level playing field. Who would enter a situation that needs a gun to be level if the alternative is enduring listening to loud music you don't like for a few minutes?

Or maybe he didn't need a gun to make it a level playing field after all.

I don't think there's anything strange about someone asking another person to turn their music down without being armed. But I have a feeling this particular person wouldn't have done it without his gun. I do believe he shot because he legitimately felt threatened, but I don't believe it was because he had a shotgun pointed at him. I think he had preconceived notions about the people he was confronting that put him in a heightened state of fear and impulse reaction. You yourself said that it's natural to have these kinds of prejudices against certain groups. He said they were listening to thug music, which means he probably viewed them as thugs. His girlfriend knew him to routinely complain about this music but never actually confront anyone over it, meaning that in this case he was pushed over his normal threshold and probably not very calm.

I find his narrative, that these people responded to "could you please turn your music down" with "I'm going to kill you" as very bizarre. I could see them saying he'd better leave or else they'd do something to him, to get him to leave them alone. But telling him they'll going to kill him outright for politely asking to turn the music down strikes me as just comically implausible. Maybe they really were this ridiculously hostile and stupid, it just doesn't seem like a likely story. I could believe it more if the situation escalated where Munn didn't back off when he should have, and/or if he said something incredibly offensive. But that'd put a lot more on him. And it'd be much more of a process he could have left and not a sudden danger that he had no choice but to react with than by shooting at them.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Was it still a good shoot when Dunn was firing at the rear window of the SUV while they were driving off? I suppose you're going to argue now that it's self-defense to shoot someone in the back?

I want on go on record that I do not support what this guy did however the whole incident was a few seconds of shooting. The back window is going to be a heat of the moment type thing.
I think the bigger question is why did he leave and why did he not attempt to notify the Police about these supposedly dangerous thugs that had a shotgun pointed at him?

 

[Exophase]

This doesn't sound like it's a cut and dry case. As I suspected the defense is going after the fact that the other teens had the time to stash a weapon and the fact the police didn't secure/search the area for several days.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/06/justice/florida-loud-music-murder-trial/

I like how the defense's position started as "my client saw a shotgun, and you can trust them on this because he's an expert on guns, he's been using them all his life", but is now "my client can't tell the difference between a shotgun and a lead pipe."

And that this was still not apparent after he (allegedly) opened the door.

Sorry, just read further and saw the later claim that it was a shotgun or a stick. Is stick supposed to be interchangeable for pipe??

 

[Exophase]

He said it in a very calm way, speaking as though he was Dunn.

So the request was made calmly and politely, and even according to Guy Jordan Davis then basically flipped out.

Maybe he made it with the intention of sounding polite, but it's very hard to sound calm and courteous while screaming over music that's (by their own account) extremely loud.