Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[SpatiallyAware]

What a moron, this dude LEFT THE SCENE of your supposedly "justified" self-defense shooting, that fact alone makes his story laughable plus the fact no weapons were recovered, he's dead meat in court, I hope your hero enjoys processed turkey loaf and 23hrs a day in solitary for the next 20 years, bye-bye asshole. Zimmerman has actual cuts and bruises from his ass whopping, plus he didn't flee the scene, he might get off the hook..

Same crap you all were spewing a few months back... "B-b-b-but trayvon was an all A honor roll student" "B-b-b-but trayvon didn't do enough damage to threaten his life!" "B-b-b-but zimmerman approached him!" "B-b-but it was only a few thousand worth of stolen jewelry not tens of thousands!"


Wake up... Every single thing that old businessman did was legal. Did he make some mistakes? Sure, but no legal mistakes.


The biggest mistake made was the thug pointing a gun out of the window at an innocent elderly businessman. It was definitely a deadly mistake.


As has been shown numerous times... those thugs had PLENTY of time to ditch the gun. Let's wait and see what a jury of 12 thinks, once it comes out about the one aggressor who is on felony probation and the histories (if any, rofl) on the rest of the crew in the SUV.


These things need to be a wake up call for some of you. You choose to act like a thug, run with thugs, be prepared to be treated like a thug by society.

 

[soundforbjt]

As has been shown numerous times... those thugs had PLENTY of time to ditch the gun.

I haven't seen it shown once. Please post a link. Or are you making "facts" up like in the TM thread?

 

[JM Aggie08]

You're all a bunch of morons.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I haven't seen it shown once. Please post a link. Or are you making "facts" up like in the TM thread?

It took the police over 10 minutes to respond. Some reports said that they left the scene, then returned and called the police. I'm not digging up links, this hasn't been refuted.

You act like these felon(s) are just going to gently place the gun on the dashboard and wait for the police... ROFL.


Like I said, what matters is what a jury will believe.

 

[classy]

It took the police over 10 minutes to respond. Some reports said that they left the scene, then returned and called the police. I'm not digging up links, this hasn't been refuted.

You act like these felon(s) are just going to gently place the gun on the dashboard and wait for the police... ROFL.


Like I said, what matters is what a jury will believe.

All your posts are just full of racist hate. You don't care whether those kids were right or wrong, or if they should have gotten proper punishment if it was required. Your posts speak volumes, you are just glad someone killed some black kids.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

All your posts are just full of racist hate. You don't care whether those kids were right or wrong, or if they should have gotten proper punishment if it was required. Your posts speak volumes, you are just glad someone killed some black kids.

I hate thugs, felons, criminals, thieves, and people who try to intimidate innocent citizens. If you equate that with race then you are the racist one.


Stop looking through your race-tinted glasses. As said before, you (and a select few others) who constantly look for racism in every day activities are actually provoking the racists.

The way you act and think is terrible for race relations. Stop viewing a particularly race as thugs, thieves, etc.

 

[umbrella39]

Some reports said that they left the scene, then returned and called the police. I'm not digging up links, this hasn't been refuted.

Not digging up links? Hasn't been refuted? WTF is that all about? Would be very interested in these links you won't dig up because the only place I have heard this is in this thread.

 

[classy]

I hate thugs, felons, criminals, thieves, and people who try to intimidate innocent citizens. If you equate that with race then you are the racist one.


Stop looking through your race-tinted glasses. As said before, you (and a select few others) who constantly look for racism in every day activities are actually provoking the racists.

The way you act and think is terrible for race relations. Stop viewing a particularly race as thugs, thieves, etc.

You are a pig and I hope the same way you are celebrating at the expense of others, I hope the day comes someone celebrates your demise in the same way. What goes around, comes around.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You are a pig and I hope the same way you are celebrating at the expense of others, I hope the day comes someone celebrates your demise in the same way. What goes around, comes around.

Typical classy response... Wishing violence upon others. You need to lose that mentality or it will get you killed one day.

 

[classy]

Typical classy response... Wishing violence upon others. You need to lose that mentality or it will get you killed one day.

I don't wish anything. I have been for years letting dirtbags just like you who post here what know I think. Only complete fvcking POS would say these kids got what they deserved by playing music. I hope someone puts a bullet in your family members for playing loud music, then let me know how it feels. You @ss clown.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I don't wish anything. I have been for years letting dirtbags just like you who post here what I think. Only complete fvcking POS would say these kids got what they deserved by playing music. I hope someone puts a bullet in your family members for playing loud music, then let me know how it feels. You @ss clown.

Come on classy, open up your eyes.... This situation has nothing to do with playing loud music. Stop being manipulated by the race baiters and sensationalist media, didn't you learn last time?

 

[classy]

Typical classy response... Wishing violence upon others. You need to lose that mentality or it will get you killed one day.

And let me make this clear you a-hole. The reason why these quasi race debates get started is because lowlifes like you post a bunch anti-black things. So I have responded to the bs for years and now many others see the same trash I have been calling out for a long time. I don't give fvck what color these kids are, no one has a right to shoot someone over playing loud music. There should be no reason to explain the common sense in that.

 

[spidey07]

They were shot for verbally and physically threatening a mans life. Not loud music.

 

[Capt Caveman]

They were shot for verbally and physically threatening a mans life. Not loud music.

No proof of that other than from the killer. The victims and witnesses have provided their evidence to the police and the police have charged Dunn with second degree murder and has had his bail denied.

 

[spidey07]

No proof of that other than from the killer. The victims and witnesses have provided their evidence to the police and the police have charged Dunn with second degree murder and has had his bail denied.

Doesn't change the fact that the reason they were shot was because they verbally and physically threatened a man's life, not loud music.

 

[blankslate]

Spidey still wishing that he was in Mr. Dunn's situation so he could relish the feeling of having killed someone. Obviously.

How many times have any of the posters in these forums encounter inconsiderate people playing loud music on the road or in a parking lot? How long did it take til they or you moved far enough away that it wasn't an issue anymore?

Mr. Dunn's reaction given the information available was extreme overkill.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Doesn't change the fact that the reason they were shot was because they verbally and physically threatened a man's life, not loud music.

No proof of that either. And those kids were not doing anything illegally, just playing music when Dunn confronted them.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And let me make this clear you a-hole. The reason why these quasi race debates get started is because lowlifes like you post a bunch anti-black things. So I have responded to the bs for years and now many others see the same trash I have been calling out for a long time. I don't give fvck what color these kids are, no one has a right to shoot someone over playing loud music. There should be no reason to explain the common sense in that.

No, the reason these quasi race debates get started is because you try to tie literally every single thing into this all encompassing "Race" issue. Meanwhile, no one else cares about race, we just see an old man who had his life threatened by a crew of thugs.

Who is posting "anti-black" anything? Seriously quote a post where this is happening. No doubt that there are racists out there, but they are few and far between. Wake up to 2012, your wife isn't sitting at the back of the bus.

To you, everything is about race. You are so guilty, for some reason, that you look for literally any way possible to apply the "race" label. It clearly makes you feel like a better person to scream "RACIST" at every misguided opportunity.

What you don't realize, is that when you scream and cry race (zimmerman/trayvon, this situation, countless others) you are essentially crying wolf. Nowadays nobody cares... The "card" has been played in so many unrelated situations that it's simply ignored... This is actually a good thing, as most of society doesn't care about race anymore.

A thug is a thug is a thug, race aside, to everyone except you - who sees a thug as a black person, which is flat out disgusting to me.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

No proof of that either. And those kids were not doing anything illegally, just playing music when Dunn confronted them.

Evidence thus far says that they stuck a shotgun or gun-like device out of the window, and that there were verbal threats.


Like I said... you might want to wait for evidence to disprove this before jumping the gun..... Again.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Evidence thus far says that they stuck a shotgun or gun-like device out of the window, and that there were verbal threats.


Like I said... you might want to wait for evidence to disprove this before jumping the gun..... Again.

Your evidence is from the killer. Victims and witnesses counter that and the police have stated the victims did not have a weapon. Thus why Dunn is being charged with second degree murder and has had his bail denied.

Wait for evidence? Jumping the gun? Coming from you? LOL. Read your posts here, you have jumped the gun all over the place.

 

[classy]

They were shot for verbally and physically threatening a mans life. Not loud music.

You do not have the right to take someone's life because of words. Even you can't possibly believe that to be right. I don't like you, but I do have some respect for you. Dude you can't sit there and tell me you agree with shooting and killing someone even over a verbal threat.

In one case in stand your ground in Florida, one man attacked another man with a garden hose. The man was found guilty of murder. So how can words even if it occured warrants the use of deadly force?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You do not have the right to take someone's life because of words. Even you can't possibly believe that to be right. I don't like you, but I do have some respect for you. Dude you can't sit there and tell me you agree with shooting and killing someone even over a verbal threat.

In one case in stand your ground in Florida, one man attacked another man with a garden hose. The man was found guilty of murder. So how can words even if it occured warrants the use of deadly force?

Of course.... You want a victim to wait until literally one punch before death, before they shoot back. I disagree, if you even remotely threaten someone then you had best expect them to fight back.


I do agree with it being ok to kill someone over a verbal threat. If you tell someone you're going to take their life you'd better damn well be ready to back it up. Same with breaking into someone's home, stealing their property, or really any threatening situation. You can't just hit 'pause' on life and then be like wait wait I didn't mean that.

This isn't high school... In the real world, when you screw with the wrong person they might just defend themselves. It's a concept that many of our youth are learning the hard way.

If I recall, in the garden hose incident no one verbally threatened another person. Although in my personal opinion, if you swing ANYTHING - be it fists, garden hose, or whatever, against another person you'd better be ready for them to defend themselves. I'm a big fan of "If you don't want none, don't start none."

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Act like a thug, talk like a thug, dress like a thug, get treated like a thug.

 

[HumblePie]

I haven't seen it shown once. Please post a link. Or are you making "facts" up like in the TM thread?

Actually, I'll make a statement here.

Dunn's attorney in an interview with ActionJax news, a video interview, stated that the police had evidence the red Dodge Durango left the scene and came back before 7:40 pm when the police arrived. After that Prosecutor Caleil stated that she was not entitled to release that evidence during an ongoing investigation and that the video interview was removed.

Right now, there are ZERO links in the media about the evidence that the SUV left the scene and came back. There was that one interview report, but it was snuffed out. I have zero clue as to the credibility of that claim made by Dunn's attorney, but the fact that it was removed as "leaked" evidence in an ongoing investigation lends some weight to the claim. Again, not saying it's true and we'll find out for sure soon enough.

There is discussion about this bit of "evidence" over a justicequest.net and a couple of other places.


EDIT for reference here is the "editted" video of the interview with the attorney Robin Lemonidis.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/28/us/florida-music-shooting/index.html

If you watch the video you can see she gets cuts off early while still talking. Then they down play in that interview with the gentleman commentary stating that the attorney claims that the kids ditched the gun. Then the guy moves right along as if brushing aside her claim. The ORIGINAL claim is that witnesses and police have evidence that the SUV left, drove around the block, came back, called policed, and they arrived 10 minutes later.

I read on the justicequest that state prosecutor Caleil, I think that was his name seriously, had stated that such mentioning of evidence this early in the investigation was not allowed and has such been removed.



As for speculation, if there IS evidence that the SUV left the scene and came back before police arrived, why would they have done so with a wounded person in their vehicle from gunshots??? Seems very fishy to me. I can understand somewhat if they drove straight to a hospital for example. But to leave and come back is very odd to say the least.

 

[HumblePie]

Found the transcript finally that was not removed.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ijvm.01.html

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How do you explain the discrepancy? Law enforcement says there was no gun. He`s saying he saw a gun. But law enforcement says the teens didn`t have a gun.

LEMONIDIS: Law enforcement -- yes, ma`am. Law enforcement did not locate the firearm that was branded to Michael Dunn.

However, the red SUV pulled out of the parking lot and, according to the law enforcement official that gave a press conference of sorts yesterday or the day before, he stated that they left the parking lot, went around the corner or the block, and then returned to the convenience store where this event had occurred.

His attorney makes the claim that law enforcement officials stated in a short press conference, of which I can't find a video or transcript of either anymore, that the SUV left the scene according to witnesses and came back.