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Teen shot by Border Patrol had smuggling arrests

Caecus Veritas said:
yeah... a ruthless criminal indeed.. very ruthless....
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I don't mean to troll or anything, but we are the only country on the face of the planet that would give itself shit or take any shit for shooting someone who was throwing rocks at our border patrol. That would not fly ANYWHERE, let alone with the mexican police.
 
Vic said:
Small government!! Oh wait... 🙄
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What the hell are you on about. One of the primary constitutional duties of the federal government is to enforce and protect the borders.

Yeah, small government is awesome. Small enough that they can focus on their prime constitutional duties instead of ignoring them like Obama. He simply must have his immigration crisis to pass comprehensive immigration reform. Never let a crisis go to waste and when all else fails create the crisis as Obama continues to do on so many fronts.
 
spidey07 said:
What the hell are you on about. One of the primary constitutional duties of the federal government is to enforce and protect the borders.

Yeah, small government is awesome. Small enough that they can focus on their prime constitutional duties instead of ignoring them like Obama. He simply must have his immigration crisis to pass comprehensive immigration reform. Never let a crisis go to waste and when all else fails create the crisis as Obama continues to do on so many fronts.
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I'm glad you've finally stopped being hypocritical about your big government agenda.
 
This type of action happens a lot in the border areas and it doesn't surprise me one bit that kids are also getting into the action of being smugglers, be it of drugs or working as smugglers of illegal aliens.

This also explains the reason why he and his group crossed into the US illegally (working as a smuggler) and then fled back to the Mexico when they were noticed by our BP agents.
 
Ummmm....I don't support the smuggling of people, but killing him is just sad. This is suppose to be the greatest country in the world, so should it be of any surprise people sneaking to come here? Reading that made me think of Harriet Tubman. My grandmother used to say you can be 100% right and 100% wrong all at the same time.
 
That's true. It's like fighting a child who hit you first. You will feel you are acting unjustly if you harm the child and foolish if the child harms you and always wonder if the fight is necessary. Same goes for Israel situation or women or just about anything else you can impose your absolute will. Always a tough issue. Your grandma is a smart woman.
 
classy said:
Ummmm....I don't support the smuggling of people, but killing him is just sad. This is suppose to be the greatest country in the world, so should it be of any surprise people sneaking to come here? Reading that made me think of Harriet Tubman. My grandmother used to say you can be 100% right and 100% wrong all at the same time.
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Sure it's no surprise, but that doesn't make it right in any way, shape, or form. What the kid was doing will always be 100% wrong and what the agent did will always be 100% right.

Immigration laws and quotas were enacted for a reason: if anyone could just come anytime they chose, the economy would start to degrade and the cultural 'melting pot' created would start to form lumps in it. This is exactly what has occurred. Even worse, there is no record of the illegals who are entering the country, and, big brother mentalities aside, there does need to be information regarding population in order for the government agencies to function properly and be staffed appropriately. In ideal circumstances, there wouldn't be a problem with just letting everyone come and go as they pleased, but the reality is that there are countless number of factors to take into account (population growth, crime, economy, etc... each with their own subsets of factors, those with their own subsets of factors, etc...) that require immigration restrictions for manageability and practicality purposes.

The bottom line is that this kid broke laws necessary to ensure our country doesn't crumble into ruins, and has done so enough times to be on a federal 'Most Wanted' list. Additionally, he and those he chose to illegally smuggle over were being covered by a group of people throwing rocks across to border in attempts to harm a U.S. federal agent. The only regret I feel is that the agent was only able to kill the 15 year old and arrest one member of his human contraband, instead of being able to get them all through either an arrest or a bullet.
 
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classy said:
Ummmm....I don't support the smuggling of people, but killing him is just sad. This is suppose to be the greatest country in the world, so should it be of any surprise people sneaking to come here? Reading that made me think of Harriet Tubman. My grandmother used to say you can be 100% right and 100% wrong all at the same time.
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How the hell does this situation bare any resemblance to slaves running away to freedom in the north vs people in Mexico running in here to get jobs so they can send money back to Mexico?

Or people smuggling in drugs to make big money?

Also did Harriet Tubman ever charge people $50 buck a pop for her service?

I really do not see the comparison at all could you care to explain it for us?
 
OMG!!! he smuggled human beings who wanted to come to America

MURDER Columbus now.. fuck it and all be damned .. what does that bitch out in the water say ... lying bitch

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
 
dahunan said:
OMG!!! he smuggled human beings who wanted to come to America

MURDER Columbus now.. fuck it and all be damned .. what does that bitch out in the water say ... lying bitch

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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He was with a group of pepole and attacking the border patrol. He was not shot for smuggling people.
 
classy said:
Ummmm....I don't support the smuggling of people, but killing him is just sad. This is suppose to be the greatest country in the world, so should it be of any surprise people sneaking to come here? Reading that made me think of Harriet Tubman. My grandmother used to say you can be 100% right and 100% wrong all at the same time.
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Your grandmother was wise, but this kid wasn't killed for smuggling people. He was killed because he brought rocks to a gunfight. If I go to the border and start shooting a rifle at a Mexican gunship patrolling the border then they are fully justified in smoking my ass even though my lethal weapon is much less lethal than theirs and I probably won't actually kill them with it.
 
werepossum said:
Your grandmother was wise, but this kid wasn't killed for smuggling people. He was killed because he brought rocks to a gunfight. If I go to the border and start shooting a rifle at a Mexican gunship patrolling the border then they are fully justified in smoking my ass even though my lethal weapon is much less lethal than theirs and I probably won't actually kill them with it.
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I understand all the arguments of this illegal immigrant issue. But my point is to relish in the killing of people now as if that is something to be proud of or a proper means to an end is disturbing. And if you and others can't see that you have lost some humanity.
 
classy said:
I understand all the arguments of this illegal immigrant issue. But my point is to relish in the killing of people now as if that is something to be proud of or a proper means to an end is disturbing. And if you and others can't see that you have lost some humanity.
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From reading people's posts in this and other threads I don't think they are relishing/proud that the kid was killed, rather that the BP agent was justified in using deadly force when he was attacked in a vulnerable position.
 
dfuze said:
From reading people's posts in this and other threads I don't think they are relishing/proud that the kid was killed, rather that the BP agent was justified in using deadly force when he was attacked in a vulnerable position.
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The thing is after watching the video of that incident the BP agent didn't look all that vulnerable. He sure as hell wasn't surrounded by people throwing rocks at him as he first reported.
 
The kid was arrested, what, 4-5 times? For smuggling and then simply let go. Maybe if you had kept him in jail for his crimes, make him serve some time, he wouldn't have been out there throwing rocks. He might be alive today.
 
dahunan said:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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Since some French people put some words on a statue, that means we need to accept illegals?

I dont follow your argument
 
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