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Teen rejected by Ivy League schools writes controversial op-ed

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Geosurface said:
Whether her particular situation or her particular "whining" has merit, all I know is that anything which gets people discussing the problem of affirmative action, is a positive thing.
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She absolutely is whining, and I say that as someone who recently started a thread in opposition to AA. Frankly, if I were an admissions officer who rejected her and read that piece, I'd consider it confirmation that I made the right decision.

Having someone on your side of a debate who appears this clueless and entitled rarely helps it.
 
Wow...Words cannot express the craziness of this.

Why didn't she pull out the racism card? She practically did it already in the article without saying it!
 
No reason to rage really. Is she missing out on the leg up in admissions a (non Asian) minority would receive? Yes. But by her own admission she has lots of other legs up in the form of rich parents who are business owners. Guess what princess? You're just going to have to leverage the other tools you were handed instead of whining about the ones you weren't. The only things she's accomplished is making herself look like an entitled whiner.
 
Geosurface said:
People get treated unfairly in both systems, but society only collapses under one.
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Lol, this has to be the most melodramatic thing posted in quite a while.

Society is not going to collapse because the OP's girl has to go to Cornell instead of Yale.

Her SAT score of 2120 is trash for ivy league (2100-2370 represents 25-75th percentile for Yale), the article didn't list how she did rank-wise in class with a 4.5 GPA but if top 5% meh stop trying to overachieve. Internship with Senator doesn't mean much, you probably get more personal development being a bagger in a grocery store.
 
Sounds like she thinks she was entitled to get in just because she's white, has parents in business, and has a 4.5 GPA.

Why does she get to pull the race card and nobody has a problem with it..but if she was non-white people would say she was complaining and part of the "entitlement society". There'd be some quips about quotas too.


Geosurface said:
Whether her particular situation or her particular "whining" has merit, all I know is that anything which gets people discussing the problem of affirmative action, is a positive thing.
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So, it automatically becomes an Affrimative Action issue when a white person doesn't get into their dream school and decides to pull the race card? :colbert:


Is like that Fisher girl all over again. "I didn't get it because I'm white". No, you didn't get in because they didn't want you.


She's a spoiled brat that benefits from her family's connections. She wanted to write a cunty rant about not getting into school...so she called her editor sister at WSJ. She got an internship that most regular kids probably couldn't dream of getting. Yet, with all that money and all those connections...she couldn't get into Harvard, so she blames it on being white, not "coming out of the closet", not wearing "headdress", and being "less diverse than a saltine cracker".

She sounds like a real winner. Can't wait until mommy and daddy can't use their connections to get her a dream job at some firm. She might make national headlines at that point.
 
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SheHateMe said:
Sounds like she thinks she was entitled to get in just because she's white, has parents in business, and has a 4.5 GPA.

Why does she get to pull the race card and nobody has a problem with it..but if she was non-white people would say she was complaining and part of the "entitlement society". There'd be some quips about quotas too.
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i can see her frustration actually. I don't see where she expects to get in because she is right. i see where she expected to get in based on high GPS Great SAT and extra activities.

in school you are told hard work and good grades will get you in top schools. she did that and now told nope. i can understand her frustration and being pissed at being lied to.

My oldest complained about the same stuff. She has a high GPA, high SAT score. Her counselor told her to get in the top schools you need more then that. You need to be involved in hobbies, clubs, volunteer work.

I think her rant falls into the "self entitled bitch" part is when she starts complaining about her parents and blaming them for it.
 
Geosurface said:
Haven't read this article and don't know if her specific case has any merit or not.

What I do know, is that there really is a very strong drive in this nation to vigorously pursue "diversity" for it's own sake. Universities and corporations alike are desperate to be able to fill up their brochures with enough faces of different types. There are also incentives and penalties built into the system at this point for having or not having enough "diversity."

This can ONLY be accomplished at the expense of (particularly heterosexual) (particularly male) whites. No other way to make it happen. Because they are the ones designated as the only "non-diverse" candidates. And they still represent a numerically large group comprising a majority of applications, typically.

Meritocracy is clearly the way to go, because the alternative fills our society with people who often end up in positions they really didn't belong in. And no, for the dumbasses, I'm not saying "people of color" etc never belong in prominent or important positions. They absolutely do, sometimes... but there are a lot of people who are getting ahead without deserving to, or proving they can operate in certain fields at certain levels... because the shiny lure of how "diverse" they were made the people making the decisions either consciously or subconsciously overlook those problems.

Shit like this is built into the system so deeply now... there's a ton of it that is officially sanctioned, and then there are a ton of other practices which are done on the sly..
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this is so true. and its pretty fing obvious where i work pisses a lot of people off but theres nothing that can be done about it
 
waggy said:
i can see her frustration actually. I don't see where she expects to get in because she is right. i see where she expected to get in based on high GPS Great SAT and extra activities.

in school you are told hard work and good grades will get you in top schools. she did that and now told nope. i can understand her frustration and being pissed at being lied to.

My oldest complained about the same stuff. She has a high GPA, high SAT score. Her counselor told her to get in the top schools you need more then that. You need to be involved in hobbies, clubs, volunteer work.

I think her rant falls into the "self entitled bitch" part is when she starts complaining about her parents and blaming them for it.
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Her SAT score is NOT "great". Not for Ivy League.

Please look up that admission stats for Harvard. No way.


That fact that she pulled the race card and starts ranting about how she would have gotten in if she was more diverse like...wearing a headdress, or being gay.....she sounds like a wise and beautiful woman. No wonder she got into Michigan 🙂biggrin🙂 . She has a really poor attitude. Writing this rant just shows that she is an immature brat. If her sister had any sense of professionalism, she wouldn't have entertained putting this BS out for her in the first place.
 
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Anonemous said:
So did she just diss those other schools that accepted her?

Wow those admissions people better not be reading the WSJ...
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But..but....those are STATE schools! The dear little princess DESERVES a private school! (NOTE: I do think she has a point about 'diversity,' however)

My wife went to a private school (Butler) and constantly disses on state schools, until I point out that given her degree and her job, she likely would've ended up with the exact same job with less debt had she gone to Indiana, Purdue, Ball State, etc. When I graduated from high school, my two options were Rose Hulman and Purdue and I chose Purdue. I'd probably make the same decision again.
 
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If she thinks she's so great, whey not post her accolades? I want to hear what makes her so special.

While I do think there is some tendency for a school or business to try and show "diversity", I think this girl is just a whiny little bitch.
 
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But..but....those are STATE schools! The dear little princess DESERVES a private school! (NOTE: I do think she has a point about 'diversity,' however)

My wife went to a private school (Butler) and constantly disses on state schools, until I point out that given her degree and her job, she likely would've ended up with the exact same job with less debt had she gone to Indiana, Purdue, Ball State, etc. When I graduated from high school, my two options were Rose Hulman and Purdue and I chose Purdue. I'd probably make the same decision again.
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lol yeah.

my oldest was accepted to a few private colleges in IL. we went to visit one and while a smaller college it was fucking expensive. She has a ton in scholerships but she would still have had to take $20k a year. WTF

she was also accepted to UofI and she does not have to pay a damn cent.

and like i told her. she is going to get the same job, same pay and $100k less debt.
 
White peoples problems...

Waaaaaaaah. I can't get what I want so I'm going to cry reverse racism.

Hey honey instead of speculating what not ask some of these schools why you were rejected? Check with people who review these kinds of admissions for a living and get an informed opinion.

I could say you were rejected for being a whiny little cu*t and I have an equal chance of being right.

Suck it up and take the best school that accepted you. As if Princeton is required to be successful.

Obviously you grew up being a spoiled princess.


Was this you 10 years ago??
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waggy said:
lol yeah.

my oldest was accepted to a few private colleges in IL. we went to visit one and while a smaller college it was fucking expensive. She has a ton in scholerships but she would still have had to take $20k a year. WTF

she was also accepted to UofI and she does not have to pay a damn cent.

and like i told her. she is going to get the same job, same pay and $100k less debt.
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There are too many small, mediocre private schools that cost an arm and a leg and sucker young people into loads of debt. For people with a choice between those and a state school, go with the state school. If you have a choice between a top private school (eg: most in the USNews top 50-100 list), then it may actually be worth some of the high cost.
 
Brainonska511 said:
There are too many small, mediocre private schools that cost an arm and a leg and sucker young people into loads of debt. For people with a choice between those and a state school, go with the state school. If you have a choice between a top private school (eg: most in the USNews top 50-100 list), then it may actually be worth some of the high cost.
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that was the issue. she was accepted to some of the top schools. the main issue was cost.

over lunch after the visit (and before UofI) we broke down the cost. The school said most kids take 5 years to graduate. so you figure it would have cost her $23x5. over $100k for a diploma.

I then pulled out booklet of houses for sale in the area. there were a bunch around that price.

it clicked then. how much 100k in debt would be.

then we went to UofI. its a nice school, good reputation (still one of the top in IL) and would put her in ZERO debt. though she takes a 2k loan each year.


kids need to look at the debt issue too. to many seem to think 100k debt? oh that's nothing. ugh.
 
Some of her criticisms were on point, though when she started bitching about her parents I thought she'd made that critical mistake of going full retard.

She's very eloquent, though.
 
Zeze said:
Wait, wtf is 4.5 GPA?

Isn't 4.0 perfect? She took AP classes?
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yeah. AP classes give a "boost" to teh GPA. only time it really is a issue is in ranking and such.

i never thought it was fair a kid who took basic class's and/or all PE could get a 4.0 and be in the running for valedictorian. this gives people who take harder classes a boost in the running.


Doppel said:
Some of her criticisms were on point, though when she started bitching about her parents I thought she'd made that critical mistake of going full retard.

She's very eloquent, though.
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agreed. the bitching out her parents made her slide into the "self entitled bitch" category.
 
Girl should talk to Elizabeth Warren (who claims that she is something like 1/32 american indian).

Affirmative Action had merit when the country as a whole was largely bigoted and, well, affirmative action was needed to ensure that minorities (particularly African Americans) were afforded similar opportunities as caucasians.

Now that we are in the 21st century and the vast majority of the country is not bigoted, Affirmative Action is obsolete (in my opinion) and people should be equally judged on merit. So, if this girl was denied entry to an Ivy league school because she was not diverse enough, she has a right to be pissed, particularly if the school accepted lesser qualified but more diverse students. If she was denied entry because her qualifications were on par or worse than another persons though, my response to her rant would be something along the line of, "tough noogies."

That said, the US courts have heard several cases on this topic, in which a prospective student accused a school of reverse racism based on their admissions policies. Almost uniformly the courts have held that schools have a legitimate educational interest in establishing a diverse student body, and that they could further such interest provided that admissions were not based "solely" on race. That may change in the near future, however, as the Supreme Court is supposed is due to issue a decision in the Fisher v. University of Texas at Austin case soon. The issue in that case is whether the Supreme Court's decisions interpreting the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, including Grutter v. Bollinger, permit the University of Texas at Austin’s use of race in undergraduate admissions decisions.

http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/fisher-v-university-of-texas-at-austin/
 
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I wish I could just attribute all my failures to some brown person stealing opportunities and tanning the pearly white fabric of American society.



It would just be a lot easier to cope if I could blame someone who is more cultured than I am, spending time trying to make a difference in the world instead of using their family connections to write op-ed articles in the Wall Street journal or griping about how you quit the Swim team after the first lap, was too lazy to give Piano a try, sucked at the Violin, developed cynical opinions on community service and complained that you aren't as attractive to a University as someone with "two moms". It would be so much easier to poke fun at people who've done more meaningful things than I, interning at some place in a position with a funny sounding title while I, privileged as I am, have two parents who "stopped raising me" but gave me a big beautiful house (I'm sure) to live in while they caught up on their sleep not caring if I stumbled in late from SAT practice. So bright and articulate, yet, I can't handle rejection. I think I have a superiority-inferiority complex. Silly sounding, I know.


Ooooh how I love that she got accepted into Michigan. She will fit right in if she doesn't go to Ped State.
 
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That girl's high school is a few miles from me so this story was all over the local news especially since she was on the Today show. One of my classmates became a college admissions officer at a huge state school and he's told me before that there is no question they bend over backwards to let in certain applicants that would not ordinarily make the cut. If an applicant doesn't have a boatload of extracurricular stuff to pad out the application, they look to see if there is a glowing recommendation from the high school guidance counselor as sometimes those hint at reasons why. Sometimes it's a tough inner-city high school where there simply aren't abundant opportunities to spend a lot of time doing volunteer and service work. At certain high schools, having a near-perfect attendance record, outstanding grades and a clean disciplinary record is about the best a student can achieve. If the family is poor, and Junior is working every night since age 14 to help put food on the table, he's simply not going to be able to spend a month in Appalachia rebuilding homes.

waggy said:
kids need to look at the debt issue too. to many seem to think 100k debt? oh that's nothing. ugh.
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That's because they have no frame of reference to understand the magnitude of that debt. A high school senior might earn a few grand a year working part time. They plan to have a career where they could earn let's say $70K. Being in debt $100K when you're earning $70K does not seem like a big deal if you've never had to live on your own and you have no idea how long it's going to take to pay it back. They simply cannot grasp it. And that's a real shame, because it's crippling them financially for decades, and it's not necessary to take on that much debt.
 
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