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Teen burgler killed by homeowner

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hal2kilo said:
Wow, this shit never ends around here. Not even bothering to dog whistle anymore.
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Oh yes, it's our fault that a black kid broke into a house and got shot by the owner. Us dog whistlers obviously lured him into the house under false pretenses just so we could kill us a negro.
 
soundforbjt said:
I'll make it simple. Did she shoot him out of fear or anger? No one knows but her.
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That doesn't matter. Some people react differently when their life is being threatened. Some people are afraid, some get angry. That doesn't make the threat any less dangerous. In the end, the thug was still a criminal that has the potential to harm or kill someone. Don't want to get shot? Don't break into people's home and rob them. Ezpz.
 
soundforbjt said:
I'll make it simple. Did she shoot him out of fear or anger? No one knows but her.
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I understood that from your initial post. It can go either way until details of the confrontation are revealed. Blaming either side before that is pointless, and will never be agreed on.

The only thing that is absolutely clear is that he broke into someone's home to steal. There is no excuse for that. It's illegal. He's a criminal. Period.

The confrontation is not explained. If she shot him in the back as he ran off the property, she's in the wrong. If she shot him as he charged her, she's got the right to defend herself. But we don't know that yet.

The only point I can see arguing at the present time is whether or not she exercised good judgment in rushing home. But since we don't know the details of that yet either.
 
soundforbjt said:
I'll make it simple. Did she shoot him out of fear or anger? No one knows but her.
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What's even more simple as that the dude broke into her house.

Never in the history of mankind has it been a good idea to break into someone's home, and that's mostly been because you'll die.
 
Nashemon said:
I understood that from your initial post. It can go either way until details of the confrontation are revealed. Blaming either side before that is pointless, and will never be agreed on.

The only thing that is absolutely clear is that he broke into someone's home to steal. There is no excuse for that. It's illegal. He's a criminal. Period.

The confrontation is not explained. If she shot him in the back as he ran off the property, she's in the wrong. If she shot him as he charged her, she's got the right to defend herself. But we don't know that yet.

The only point I can see arguing at the present time is whether or not she exercised good judgment in rushing home. But since we don't know the details of that yet either.
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Too few details and probably will never know. I'm curious as to why some believe death is proper punishment for stealing, IF she wasn't threatened.
 
soundforbjt said:
Too few details and probably will never know. I'm curious as to why some believe death is proper punishment for stealing, IF she wasn't threatened.
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I don't necessarily think it was the proper punishment, but that dude is most certainly no victim.
 
soundforbjt said:
Too few details and probably will never know. I'm curious as to why some believe death is proper punishment for stealing, IF she wasn't threatened.
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It's not about punishment. It's one of the risks that criminals face when they choose to commit a crime that can also harm someone else, or worse. This time, the criminal paid the ultimate price, which was death.

What most people are saying, it is common sense that if you choose a dumb decision and put yourself at risk, and you die? Most people won't and shouldn't feel sorry for you. You are no victim, you are a dumbass criminal who chose to prey on innocent people who work for what they have, who will be protective of what they have.

Just like if you chose to be an idiot and drive while drunk. You crash your car into a tree and get yourself killed, guess what, not gonna feel sorry for your dumb ass. You could've killed someone else. You are not a victim.

It has nothing to do with punishment at all.
 
soundforbjt said:
Too few details and probably will never know. I'm curious as to why some believe death is proper punishment for stealing, IF she wasn't threatened.
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You seem to be purposely conflating people who say "getting shot is a risk you take breaking into houses" and some imaginary person that says getting shot is the proper punishment for that crime. Not feeling bad for a criminal being shot isn't the same thing as wishing for it to happen. I'm guessing that even the people pretending to be horrified at it are really that sad about his passing, they just don't want criminals being shot routinely as some manner of propriety. It's "stuff white people like" middle class concern about property values if their neighborhood gets a reputation as a place with lots of dead burglars.
 
soundforbjt said:
Oh, I know that...
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So as long as you're home, are you letting me break into your house whenever I want and take whatever I want and if I don't appear threatening you'll let me leave through the front door with my loot?

Excellent. What's your address?
 
JSt0rm said:
Killing people over trinkets is barbarian.
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That's not what happened here. The guy wasn't killed for stealing trinkets. You're afixing the killing as a punishment for his crime.

This wasn't punishment. His death was not punishment. His death was the result of breaking into someone's home and the consequences of putting someone's life at risk.

If someone breaks into your house you have to be an idiot to sit back and say 'oh they're just here to steal stuff.. I'm safe'.

Uh no.. you go stab them until they don't move because they're in your house and you have to assume they have the worst intentions.

LPT: don't break into people's homes because they don't know you or what you want and will just error on the side of putting you down.
 
BoberFett said:
You don't think a stranger breaking into your home is threatening?
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Nope, it's fine and they're welcome to all their things for as long as it takes the police to arrive.

But if they suddenly grab a knife and start stabbing you, then you have permission to ask them to leave.


It's complete lunacy. If someone breaks into your home, while you're home, why is it your responsibility to determine their intent and classify it as threatening or non-threatening? The intruder has already decided that the home owner or occupant is not part of the equation. The intruder should be treated likewise, not worthy of consideration and removed immediately, with force if necessary.


That makes little difference, if I come home, and you're in my home and haven't left, fair game for me to consider you beneath human trash and protect myself.
 
Phanuel said:
Nope, it's fine and they're welcome to all their things for as long as it takes the police to arrive.

But if they suddenly grab a knife and start stabbing you, then you have permission to ask them to leave.


It's complete lunacy. If someone breaks into your home, while you're home, why is it your responsibility to determine their intent and classify it as threatening or non-threatening? The intruder has already decided that the home owner or occupant is not part of the equation. The intruder should be treated likewise, not worthy of consideration and removed immediately, with force if necessary.
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Never said that, read the last post of mine.
 
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