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Teddy Bear teacher going to court today
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DarkThinker
Platinum Member
Oh ya, so clever of you, you will not only be not fixing anything, but you will also be adding flames to the fire!
Seriously where you just waiting for an excuse to post that? :roll:
yllus
Elite Member & Lifer
It's not politically correct, it's simply accurate. The Koran is be-all and end-all source of knowledge in Islam. Can you find me where it says that this perversion of justice is advocated? The Koran actually explicitly states in multiple places that non-believers in the religion are not required to follow Islamic law. That'd be idiotic. You're supposed to embrace Allah by your own compulsion, not by the requirement of state law.
I hope stuff like this gets ever-increasing amounts of publicity around the world, and that more and more people take the stance that no matter what country this sort of thing is carried out within, it's unacceptable.
I'm even okay with this leading to the mocking of Islam, because far too many of its adherents seem to think that everything done in the name of their religion should be held above criticism. Nothing is above criticism.
jonks
Lifer
GUILTY!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...oZVT5yrnXJKeYVin2s0NUE
15 days and deportation. And her uterus will be cut out. j/k.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...oZVT5yrnXJKeYVin2s0NUE
15 days and deportation. And her uterus will be cut out. j/k.
MmmSkyscraper
Diamond Member
I can't see the US doing much differently if they were in the same situation. Antagonising the people who are so blinded by their beliefs is going to get you nowhere other than giving them more ammunition to stir up the rhetoric.
jonks
Lifer
She was accused of a crime on the books and given a trial. She wasn't caught up in a sweep involving various insurgents, civilians and people of unknown disposition and kept in a cell for years without formal charges. Can't you see that even in an ass backward theocracy the defendant actually had access to her attorney and was given a trial?
Yes, the US justice system is superior to theirs, but we are still holding people from foreign governments without charges, indefinitely. I don't want terrorists freed, but if we have evidence, then after 5 years we should be able to put together a freakin criminal charge or let them go.
rpanic
Golden Member
At least they didn?t give here the lashing.
info here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.../sudan_british_teacher
KHARTOUM, Sudan - A British teacher in Sudan was convicted Thursday of the less-serious charge of insulting Islam for letting her pupils name a teddy bear "Muhammad," and was sentenced to 15 days in prison and deportation to Britain, one of her lawyers said.
yllus
Elite Member & Lifer
They're dumb for the sake of being dumb. The dominant religion in the area doesn't really help or hinder that much - well, okay, it hinders, but without religion they'd just turn to some other dumbassery instead. It's not as if athiest or other non-Islamic minded Third World countries act any different. China, North Korea, Myanmar...
palehorse
Lifer
I'm going to name my Pocket Pig Muhammed, post videos of the lovely little guy all over Youtube wearing a yamaka and a crucifix, and there ain't sh*t you, or anyone else, can do about it.
If you, or anyone, gets offended, then too fvcking bad. That's the beauty of living in a free country!
PS: I wouldnt really do this, but there is also no way I'd let anyone taking offense be the deciding factor in my life. Avoidance, for the sake of being internationally politically correct, is one step shy of appeasement!
Fern
Elite Member
So, the Muslim kids themselves named the teddy bear Mohammed, but they aren't punished? Of course, sorta like a female getting raped, they didn't do the raping but get the punishment. Muslin logic, go figure.
Also points out the slow learning curve we Westerners have when it comes to the name "Mohammed" etc when in the area. I know, for the next Ramadan we outta send them soccerballs with the name "Mohammed" written all over it.
Occurs to me these Muslim kids are totally cowed, or rather dull. Imagine the bully across the street kicking your @ss. I'd wait for a chance to write "Mohammed" across the bottom of his shoes and we'd see who got what. Maybe write it on the tires of Taliban vehicles. Then when they start to drive away yell "Look, Muhammed's going round-n-round in the dirt. Aaack!!!"
Too many opportunities for interesting pranks here.
Fern
Also points out the slow learning curve we Westerners have when it comes to the name "Mohammed" etc when in the area. I know, for the next Ramadan we outta send them soccerballs with the name "Mohammed" written all over it.
Occurs to me these Muslim kids are totally cowed, or rather dull. Imagine the bully across the street kicking your @ss. I'd wait for a chance to write "Mohammed" across the bottom of his shoes and we'd see who got what. Maybe write it on the tires of Taliban vehicles. Then when they start to drive away yell "Look, Muhammed's going round-n-round in the dirt. Aaack!!!"
Too many opportunities for interesting pranks here.
Fern
jonks
Lifer
I think this misses the fact that the naming of the bear was an expression of love for mohammad and the bear. Scrawling mohammad in graffitit/pranks around town or on the bottoms of shoes wouldn't be getting even, it would denigrate the spirit of what the children were doing in the first place, which was exhalting mohammad, if in a cutesy childish way.
Getting even with the authorities would have to take a different form, but what does a young muslim dissident do in a country like that? I'd avoid public protests...probably get you shot.
jonks
Lifer
Oh, you thought it was over? Nope. I hope she manages to get the hell outta there alive. But please do note the common sense response of British Muslims to the Sudanese Gov't.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.../sudan_british_teacher
Calls in Sudan for execution of Briton
KHARTOUM, Sudan - Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad."
The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.
They massed in central Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed. They did not try to stop the rally, which lasted about an hour.
"Shame, shame on the U.K.," protesters chanted.
They called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."
The women's prison where Gibbons is being held is far from the square.
Several hundred protesters, not openly carrying weapons, marched about a mile away to Unity High School, where Gibbons worked. They chanted slogans outside the school, which is closed and under heavy security, then marched toward the nearby British Embassy. They were stopped by security forces two blocks away from the embassy.
The protest arose despite vows by Sudanese security officials the day before, during Gibbons' trial, that threatened demonstrations after Friday prayers would not take place. Some of the protesters carried green banners with the name of the Society for Support of the Prophet Muhammad, a previously unknown group.
Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes ? but not automatic weapons, which some have brandished at past government-condoned demonstrations. That suggested Friday's rally was not organized by the government.
A Muslim cleric at Khartoum's main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.
"Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion," the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.
"This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad," he said.
Britain, meanwhile, pursued diplomatic moves to free Gibbons. Prime Minister Gordon Brown spoke with a member of her family to convey his regret, his spokeswoman said.
"He set out his concern and the fact that we were doing all we could to secure her release," spokeswoman Emily Hands told reporters.
Most Britons expressed shock at the verdict by a court in Khartoum, alongside hope it would not raise tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in Britain.
"One of the good things is the U.K. Muslims who've condemned the charge as completely out of proportion," said Paul Wishart, 37, a student in London.
"In the past, people have been a bit upset when different atrocities have happened and there hasn't been much voice in the U.K. Islamic population, whereas with this, they've quickly condemned it."
Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, accused the Sudanese authorities of "gross overreaction."
"This case should have required only simple common sense to resolve. It is unfortunate that the Sudanese authorities were found wanting in this most basic of qualities," he said.
The Muslim Public Affairs Committee, a political advocacy group, said the prosecution was "abominable and defies common sense."
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of the world's 77 million Anglicans, said Gibbons' prosecution and conviction was "an absurdly disproportionate response to what is at worst a cultural faux pas."
Foreign Secretary David Miliband summoned the Sudanese ambassador late Thursday to express Britain's disappointment with the verdict. The Foreign Office said Britain would continue diplomatic efforts to achieve "a swift resolution" to the crisis.
Gibbons was arrested Sunday after another staff member at the school complained that she had allowed her 7-year-old students to name a teddy bear Muhammad. Giving the name of the Muslim prophet to an animal or a toy could be considered insulting.
The case put Sudan's government in an embarrassing position ? facing the anger of Britain on one side and potential trouble from powerful Islamic hard-liners on the other. Many saw the 15-day sentence as an attempt to appease both sides.
In The Times, columnist Bronwen Maddox said the verdict was "something of a fudge ... designed to give a nod to British reproof but also to appease the street."
Britain's response ? applying diplomatic pressure while extolling ties with Sudan and affirming respect for Islam ? had produced mixed results, British commentators concluded.
In an editorial, The Daily Telegraph said Miliband "has tiptoed around the case, avoiding a threat to cut aid and asserting that respect for Islam runs deep in Britain. Given that much of the government's financial support goes to the wretched refugees in Darfur and neighboring Chad, Mr. Miliband's caution is understandable."
Now, however, the newspaper said, Britain should recall its ambassador in Khartoum and impose sanctions on the Sudanese regime.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.../sudan_british_teacher
Calls in Sudan for execution of Briton
KHARTOUM, Sudan - Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, rallied Friday in a central square and demanded the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear "Muhammad."
The protesters streamed out of mosques after Friday sermons, as pickup trucks with loudspeakers blared messages against Gillian Gibbons, the teacher who was sentenced Thursday to 15 days in prison and deportation. She avoided the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.
They massed in central Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace, where hundreds of riot police were deployed. They did not try to stop the rally, which lasted about an hour.
"Shame, shame on the U.K.," protesters chanted.
They called for Gibbons' execution, saying, "No tolerance: Execution," and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad."
The women's prison where Gibbons is being held is far from the square.
Several hundred protesters, not openly carrying weapons, marched about a mile away to Unity High School, where Gibbons worked. They chanted slogans outside the school, which is closed and under heavy security, then marched toward the nearby British Embassy. They were stopped by security forces two blocks away from the embassy.
The protest arose despite vows by Sudanese security officials the day before, during Gibbons' trial, that threatened demonstrations after Friday prayers would not take place. Some of the protesters carried green banners with the name of the Society for Support of the Prophet Muhammad, a previously unknown group.
Many protesters carried clubs, knives and axes ? but not automatic weapons, which some have brandished at past government-condoned demonstrations. That suggested Friday's rally was not organized by the government.
A Muslim cleric at Khartoum's main Martyrs Mosque denounced Gibbons during one sermon, saying she intentionally insulted Islam. He did not call for protests, however.
"Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan. But we welcome imprisonment and expulsion," the cleric, Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri, a well-known hard-liner, told worshippers.
"This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad," he said.
Britain, meanwhile, pursued diplomatic moves to free Gibbons. Prime Minister Gordon Brown spoke with a member of her family to convey his regret, his spokeswoman said.
"He set out his concern and the fact that we were doing all we could to secure her release," spokeswoman Emily Hands told reporters.
Most Britons expressed shock at the verdict by a court in Khartoum, alongside hope it would not raise tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims in Britain.
"One of the good things is the U.K. Muslims who've condemned the charge as completely out of proportion," said Paul Wishart, 37, a student in London.
"In the past, people have been a bit upset when different atrocities have happened and there hasn't been much voice in the U.K. Islamic population, whereas with this, they've quickly condemned it."
Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, accused the Sudanese authorities of "gross overreaction."
"This case should have required only simple common sense to resolve. It is unfortunate that the Sudanese authorities were found wanting in this most basic of qualities," he said.
The Muslim Public Affairs Committee, a political advocacy group, said the prosecution was "abominable and defies common sense."
Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of the world's 77 million Anglicans, said Gibbons' prosecution and conviction was "an absurdly disproportionate response to what is at worst a cultural faux pas."
Foreign Secretary David Miliband summoned the Sudanese ambassador late Thursday to express Britain's disappointment with the verdict. The Foreign Office said Britain would continue diplomatic efforts to achieve "a swift resolution" to the crisis.
Gibbons was arrested Sunday after another staff member at the school complained that she had allowed her 7-year-old students to name a teddy bear Muhammad. Giving the name of the Muslim prophet to an animal or a toy could be considered insulting.
The case put Sudan's government in an embarrassing position ? facing the anger of Britain on one side and potential trouble from powerful Islamic hard-liners on the other. Many saw the 15-day sentence as an attempt to appease both sides.
In The Times, columnist Bronwen Maddox said the verdict was "something of a fudge ... designed to give a nod to British reproof but also to appease the street."
Britain's response ? applying diplomatic pressure while extolling ties with Sudan and affirming respect for Islam ? had produced mixed results, British commentators concluded.
In an editorial, The Daily Telegraph said Miliband "has tiptoed around the case, avoiding a threat to cut aid and asserting that respect for Islam runs deep in Britain. Given that much of the government's financial support goes to the wretched refugees in Darfur and neighboring Chad, Mr. Miliband's caution is understandable."
Now, however, the newspaper said, Britain should recall its ambassador in Khartoum and impose sanctions on the Sudanese regime.
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