Wrong. Government can be a tool for corruption or for fighting corruption. The denial that there is corruption outside of government that government can fight is quite dangerous.
It's as if the right wing thinks that a return to the people being far worse off under unchecked concentrated private wealth and power is not a problem.
The only thing that is much threat to the feudalistic type concentration of wealth and power is the vote, and as poorly as it's been used for a while, that's still the case.
Our danger isn't in the government becoming a left-wing dictatorial system, which tends to happen form poverty as in Cuba, but of the government becoming slave to the wealthy.
I never denied there was corruption outside of gov't. As usual Craig234 you're busy creating strawmen you can knock around.
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http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...orruption-case/?ref=us
"The sprawling federal investigation that began more than four years ago has ensnared several local and state officials, as well as federal officials. The Anchorage Daily News has a breakdown of those who have been charged and/or convicted."
Alberto Gonzales was Att Gen 4 years ago. I'm not saying he isn't an incompetent fool, but the dems had zero to do with this one, or rather, they did nothing more than any republican, and since the republicans were in complete charge from 00-06, this event was organized, conducted, and ultimately prosecuted by republicans.
I have zero doubt there are as many corrupt dems as there are reps.
You ideologues are just missing the concept - the government doesn't have to be 'big', which you are so terrified of, only big enough to represent the public interest against the powerful; the issue is more whether it does so, or whether it becomes a representative OF the powerful against the public. Currently, it's a mix of the two, IMO. But all you can talk about is big government - without any clue why the government gets bigger when the 'small government' guys get elected.
Your point is right on - I'm saying that this is the *type of* issue that the Gonzales corruption is a problem for.
He was not 100% able to totally corrupt the department; Cunningham did get convicted, there's a reason they got rid of the seven US Attorneys.
The point is that sometimes they *did* corrupt the process, and the Stevens investigation is the type of prosecution that's at risk from that corruption.
We don't know how many Republicans did not get investigates by US Attorneys who were less corrupted.
But we do know, IIRC, that investigations of democrats numbers over 600 while republicans numbered over 200. I doubt the gap was simply based on the facts.
I disagree, but am not going to try to get into the long list of facts with you at the moment. It's not the point for this thread anyway. But Dems have had big corruption, too.
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In fairness, the parties had reversed positions at the time, where today's Democrats are more like the Republicans at time the KKK was founded.
Oh but he has repent in his ways, dont you remember?
Anyways dealmonkey is embarassing in his reponse.
fixed.
people get more corrupt over time and the longer they stay in office I doubt the democrats are nearly as bad right now, but in 6-10 years, i definitely wouldn't rule it out.
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The KKK was primarily founded by the Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest after the end of the Civil War. In its earliest inception, the KKK was basically the anti-occupation guerrilla army of the post-Confederate South.
Yes, Democrats figured prominently in it, but also remember that Lincoln and the northern liberals were all Republicans back then (Lincoln's Republican party was new, radical, and very liberal). The parties have done a complete reversal since then, most notably in the South.
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The justice department should have jailed Stevens and his sons years ago. But not under GWB&co.
If anything, the Justice department will now bring charges and GWB will pardon Stevens&sons.
If the justice departments snoozes, an Obama justice department will likely award a very lengthy jail sentence to Stevens&sons. At best, Stevens senior will escape jail by finking on his own sons.
If anything, the Justice department will now bring charges and GWB will pardon Stevens&sons.
If the justice departments snoozes, an Obama justice department will likely award a very lengthy jail sentence to Stevens&sons. At best, Stevens senior will escape jail by finking on his own sons.
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Again, the investigation began 4 years ago, when Reps were in solid control of congress and the presidency. The DoJ is an executive branch and the prosecution taking place now is under the direction of the republicans in charge.
Refusing to credit hard working people who spent years of their lives building a case just because they are likely members of an opposing political party is pretty base.
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