Ted Nugent on gun control

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
now commence the cricket symphony.

I think the issue is that you don't seem to be getting a very basic point.

- A government is made out of that nation's citizens.
- An army is made out of that nation's citizens.
- People (citizens) don't easily take to killing themselves.

An order to do so would quickly be met with incredulity, following by outrage, followed by the military refusing to carry out the order, followed by the exit of the politicians who issued and backed the order. You simply will not convince a good Virginia boy to drive a tank down his home city's streets and let loose a few rounds on his neighbours.

IOW, why would the citizens need guns, it's not like they want to kill themselves.

The entire argument is about the second amendment and if citizens with guns really do affect the governments status as servants to the people, some imply that in a nation where the populous are unarmed the citizens are servants of their government and would have a harder time to overthrow an opressive government, i disagree, hence my saying so.

If the miliary doesn't obey the orders, will an armed populous make a difference? No.

If the military does obey the orders, will an armed populous make a difference? No.

That is the argument i'm presenting, i'm not even arguing about gun ownership, only about the relevance of the second amendment in todays world where handguns are as low tech as throwing itty bitty pieces of cloth at your opponents was back when it was written.

This discussion is about gun ownership, i'm not against it, i'm just saying that using the second amendment as an excuse for it is daft.

No, you're not presenting an argument. You're presenting an opinion then refusing to back it up or respond to the arguments of others.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Guns doesn't give you crap Nebor, they can help you accomplish good things or bad things but they won't give you freedom, maybe safety though, but so does a teddybear for the child.

I don't mind you digging up old posts of mine, i'll read it because i can hardly remember what i wrote.

Guns are loads of fun though, it all changes when you get to live with people and see them get in the way, but that's another story, i hope it'll never come to that for you.

The mere presence of firearms staves off criminals and tyrants alike. Every great evil empire has started by taking guns away from the people. And I sleep with a Sig 226 as my teddy bear. 😉

It's funny you don't remember what you wrote, because it was a gigantic lie. You claimed to have a rifle (and the marksmanship) to achieve .09 MOA. Other members offered you a chance to prove it, and you just dissappeared from the thread.

Guns are fun. And sometimes people get in the way. Everyone that I've shot deserved to be shot, and I regret nothing.

*This post made while loading a 30 round magazine with 9mm Speer Gold Dots.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I don't respect authority because i'm British, i respect authority because that is the way the military works, if that fails it won't work, you can ask your American friends like TallBill about that if you don't buy what i'm telling you.

I'm ex-Army, and I don't respect authority. What's your point? That you're an easily led sheep?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Guns doesn't give you crap Nebor, they can help you accomplish good things or bad things but they won't give you freedom, maybe safety though, but so does a teddybear for the child.

I don't mind you digging up old posts of mine, i'll read it because i can hardly remember what i wrote.

Guns are loads of fun though, it all changes when you get to live with people and see them get in the way, but that's another story, i hope it'll never come to that for you.

The mere presence of firearms staves off criminals and tyrants alike. Every great evil empire has started by taking guns away from the people. And I sleep with a Sig 226 as my teddy bear. 😉

It's funny you don't remember what you wrote, because it was a gigantic lie. You claimed to have a rifle (and the marksmanship) to achieve .09 MOA. Other members offered you a chance to prove it, and you just dissappeared from the thread.

Guns are fun. And sometimes people get in the way. Everyone that I've shot deserved to be shot, and I regret nothing.

*This post made while loading a 30 round magazine with 9mm Speer Gold Dots.

Nice gun, the P226 is a very nice gun and my chosen side arm.

I didn't remember what i wrote because i just read the god damn adress to the thread, i didn't even know what thread it was, is that ok with you or do you remember old threads automatically as soon as you see the god damn adress? Relax son, you'll give yourself a heart attack.

I stand by my statement in that thread but i'm not particularly fond of idiots trying to ridicule me over something that they know absolutely nothing about.

Here we have the hunters, automatics, handguns and other assorted shit.

See, when your FIRST rifle is a 30-06 and you grew up with it on your shoulder and pretty much tried to set the sights more accurately every year but never managed to you'll end up with a gun that you can use with the microscopic scale to actually hit stuff roughly twice the size of your bullet even if you try it ten times.

I'm not going to continue to argue with you about it though because it's fairly clear that you really don't know your arse from your elbow when it comes to these kinds of weapons.

Good choice on the Sig though. 🙂

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I don't respect authority because i'm British, i respect authority because that is the way the military works, if that fails it won't work, you can ask your American friends like TallBill about that if you don't buy what i'm telling you.

I'm ex-Army, and I don't respect authority. What's your point? That you're an easily led sheep?

Yup. Honorably discharged prior military here as well, and I fully accept that respect must be earned on an individual basis, and never given as a condition of rank or authority.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I don't respect authority because i'm British, i respect authority because that is the way the military works, if that fails it won't work, you can ask your American friends like TallBill about that if you don't buy what i'm telling you.

I'm ex-Army, and I don't respect authority. What's your point? That you're an easily led sheep?

Ahhh, a "company killer", ever been told up but don't want to listen to authority and so you continue to be loud and draw fire?

You have to be really stupid if you don't get that in the Military you follow orders and by doing so you respect authority, the other option is to act as a "company killer" and break the chain of command, to put not only you but also your superiors and friends in jeopardy because your mother didn't potty train you the fucking right way.

Look mr big bad anarchist, no one really gives a fuck, i'm sorry about your stupid arse being so stupid, not for your sake but for the sake of your mates and superiors, if you ever get a wife... Heh, wait, you have a wife, don't you, that's why you don't like authority, she's bossing you around and being who you are you just take it out on the internet rather than having the guts to tell her who's man of the house?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I don't respect authority because i'm British, i respect authority because that is the way the military works, if that fails it won't work, you can ask your American friends like TallBill about that if you don't buy what i'm telling you.

I'm ex-Army, and I don't respect authority. What's your point? That you're an easily led sheep?

Yup. Honorably discharged prior military here as well, and I fully accept that respect must be earned on an individual basis, and never given as a condition of rank or authority.

Where i'm from we respect the rank even if we don't respect the person, it works because that is how the military works, you may think your commanding officer is an a-hole and even a wimp but you repect his rank and follow the orders you're given.

I'm so glad there aren't people like you around here who are overgrown spoiled children that don't think they need to respect anything someone like me says, the truth is, of course that you'd never be here under my leadership, wimps like the two of you would have been honorably discharged rather than sent along their merry way to put their officers and fellow soldiers lives at risk.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I don't respect authority because i'm British, i respect authority because that is the way the military works, if that fails it won't work, you can ask your American friends like TallBill about that if you don't buy what i'm telling you.

I'm ex-Army, and I don't respect authority. What's your point? That you're an easily led sheep?

Ahhh, a "company killer", ever been told up but don't want to listen to authority and so you continue to be loud and draw fire?

You have to be really stupid if you don't get that in the Military you follow orders and by doing so you respect authority, the other option is to act as a "company killer" and break the chain of command, to put not only you but also your superiors and friends in jeopardy because your mother didn't potty train you the fucking right way.

Look mr big bad anarchist, no one really gives a fuck, i'm sorry about your stupid arse being so stupid, not for your sake but for the sake of your mates and superiors, if you ever get a wife... Heh, wait, you have a wife, don't you, that's why you don't like authority, she's bossing you around and being who you are you just take it out on the internet rather than having the guts to tell her who's man of the house?

Erased uneeded personal attack

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I didn't remember what i wrote because i just read the god damn adress to the thread, i didn't even know what thread it was, is that ok with you or do you remember old threads automatically as soon as you see the god damn adress? Relax son, you'll give yourself a heart attack.

I stand by my statement in that thread but i'm not particularly fond of idiots trying to ridicule me over something that they know absolutely nothing about.

Here we have the hunters, automatics, handguns and other assorted shit.

See, when your FIRST rifle is a 30-06 and you grew up with it on your shoulder and pretty much tried to set the sights more accurately every year but never managed to you'll end up with a gun that you can use with the microscopic scale to actually hit stuff roughly twice the size of your bullet even if you try it ten times.

I'm not going to continue to argue with you about it though because it's fairly clear that you really don't know your arse from your elbow when it comes to these kinds of weapons.

So you're personally attacking me because you didn't want to click a link?

Everyone came to the same conclusion in that thread that we have in this one, you're absolutely full of shit, and when you get called on it and cornered, you start name calling, and then just fade away.

And it looks like you've already done your bit of name calling in this thread, so are you about ready to fade away?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I don't respect authority because i'm British, i respect authority because that is the way the military works, if that fails it won't work, you can ask your American friends like TallBill about that if you don't buy what i'm telling you.

I'm ex-Army, and I don't respect authority. What's your point? That you're an easily led sheep?

Ahhh, a "company killer", ever been told up but don't want to listen to authority and so you continue to be loud and draw fire?

You have to be really stupid if you don't get that in the Military you follow orders and by doing so you respect authority, the other option is to act as a "company killer" and break the chain of command, to put not only you but also your superiors and friends in jeopardy because your mother didn't potty train you the fucking right way.

Look mr big bad anarchist, no one really gives a fuck, i'm sorry about your stupid arse being so stupid, not for your sake but for the sake of your mates and superiors, if you ever get a wife... Heh, wait, you have a wife, don't you, that's why you don't like authority, she's bossing you around and being who you are you just take it out on the internet rather than having the guts to tell her who's man of the house?

:roll:

Got anything other than ad hominem and internet tough guy talk? Oh that's right, I forgot. You're British. That IS all you have.