Ted Kennedy Jr seems to have that Kennedy charm...
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No, but I remember he farted once in public and fox made a big deal about it. It was one of those defining moments - for fox.
Yes, because the history of racism for blacks and whites in the country is identical. Any phrase used about one has the same implications regarding racism as about the other.
On topic, we may well see a Kennedy appointed to Ted Kennedy's Senate seat, and I'd like that if it's a good pick, but any of them would be less effective than Ted, I expect.
The name I'm hearing most is former Rep. Joe Kennedy, who would have some divorce-related controversy.
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It's ironic that there's a movement to change this rule which Kennedy fought hard to institute in the first place. I understand why of course. It's simply maintaining control. The humorous thing is that I've seen references trying to sell it as something that was wrong to begin with. Back then it was wrong not to do it. I just wish they cut the moralizing and admit it's all about power.
Nothing changes.
Nothing changes.
Here's what you're missing. The underlying morality of the people, the policies, involved.
You could say a cop and a criminal in a shootout each want to shoot each other - so they're the same. You would be missing the criminal's actions making him different.
You could argue that two people writing a newspaper article for and against a war or a healthcare plan are the same. But you might be missing immoral intent by one who is pushing war or opposing a healthcar plan for short-sighted greed, and not concerned with the people it will hurt.
The bottom line is that some of the Democrats, like some of the Republicans, think they're trying to 'do good' and that the other side is opposing that. That does give them license to be more aggressive abou tthe rules than treating it like a friendly card game - but they still have to stop short to respect democracy, before simply putting democracy in second place to get the result they think is right.
There are many rules in this 'gray area' that are changed for political reasons. Take a look at Gerrymandering sometime.
So, while you are right that the changes here are not for some noble reason involving the rule itself - appointment is bad, appointment is good - and are for the purpose of helping the Democrats get a Democrat in office - the motive for many of them is not, at least, simple greed, but a more moral motivation. Take that for what it is, you can criticize it or not, but don't mischaracterize it. Others, no doubt, do get caught up in the pure power pursuit, it's only right to mention them too.
Having said all that - whatever you choose, at least don't be hypocritical, and say the same if the other side does the same or worse, unless you want to defend your side, as I do, for having a moral context that allows for some limited pursuit of power for their side. At some point, saying 'I don't care whether the good guy or bad guy wins' falls short, and you can say you do care - as long as you don't go too far to get it.
At some point, the people making the wrong choice is better than the people being denied and the right choice being forced on them - becuase that road leads to tyranny.
This rule change is political - but falls far short of leading to tyranny. But it rises above crass partisanship for no reason but power, IMO.
Seperating the pursut of power for good and bad reasons, though, is all but impoossible in a discussion between opposing sides, so this discussion probably won't resolve much.
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Of course they do the same. They do it because they are Republicans and it's morally right to keep themselves in power. Just ask them. No one wakes up and says "I have to do three evil things before breakfast". They always do whatever for "good". I tore the Reps up when they did it, and the Bush administration as well. When they get back in power and pull the same crap, I'll once again be a "lib". Not because I called them on something, but because I called a Rep out.
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Oh, and having lived in the Boston area for 10 years, I can say the morality of the politicians suck. The Big Dig is a perfect example of the corruption of both parties.
I don't think they're the same, and they're not completely different. I think you are saying something that's partially true is entirely the case when it's not.
I heard a good quote fro Harry Truman last night, 'Republicans help people who don't need help, and Democrats help people who do need help'.
But it's irrelevant how similar they are to the point that the Democrats' motivation is not simply 'greed for power' in some immoral sense. Some truth to it? Ya.
I saw something on tv about the big dig a few years ago. I thought this couldn't possibly be true. People should have gone to jail for corruption and incompetence. I recall that part of an overpass fell onto a passing car. And then to top it off, after spending more than on the space shuttle, geologically, it was a bad idea and could require more work. It makes the boondoggle that was the two new stadiums in cincinnati look tame.
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