Ted Bundy, Dahmer...

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: daveymark
YOu left out Kevorkian, who has killed over 130

:roll:

Don't think assisted suicide falls under the serial killer category.

let's see if he meets the requirements for serial killer:

preys on those who can't or don't want to save themselves. - check

convicted of at least one murder, and confessed to multiple others - check

Enjoys what he's doing when another life is taken - check


The fact is, he was convicted of murder, so how would all of the other killings not apply?

Could you try that again using actual characteristics that criminal psychologists use instead of just making up your own that fit your argument?

Because it is possible for a serial killer to not have characteristics that a criminal psychologist would use. I'm talking about a basic definition of serial killer, i.e.,

"A serial killer is someone who murders several people over a longer period of time, sometimes over a number of years."

Kevorkian fits the description. It doesn't matter if he was sodomized as a child, or his father was an alcoholic.

That only counts if you consider what he's doing murder.

Again, a jury of 12 DOES consider it murder, which is why Kevorkian is sitting in jail right now. So, since what he is doing is murder, you have just said yourself that he is a serial killer. case closed.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: daveymark
YOu left out Kevorkian, who has killed over 130

:roll:

Don't think assisted suicide falls under the serial killer category.

let's see if he meets the requirements for serial killer:

preys on those who can't or don't want to save themselves. - check

convicted of at least one murder, and confessed to multiple others - check

Enjoys what he's doing when another life is taken - check


The fact is, he was convicted of murder, so how would all of the other killings not apply?

Could you try that again using actual characteristics that criminal psychologists use instead of just making up your own that fit your argument?

Because it is possible for a serial killer to not have characteristics that a criminal psychologist would use. I'm talking about a basic definition of serial killer, i.e.,

"A serial killer is someone who murders several people over a longer period of time, sometimes over a number of years."

Kevorkian fits the description. It doesn't matter if he was sodomized as a child, or his father was an alcoholic.

Cool, you just classified Gen. Patton as a serial killer.

Man, you are teh winnar!

Where was he convicted of murder? News to me. You're right, I am teh winnar! Got any more "facts" to share?

 

[jjones]

No, we're still around, we're just trying to keep a lower profile.

 

[Beau]

You'd think that Crime Library would have something on Kevorkian if he was truely a serial killer.

Speaking of CL, check out their Section on Serial Killers. Lots of good info there.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: daveymark
Again, a jury of 12 DOES consider it murder, which is why Kevorkian is sitting in jail right now. So, since what he is doing is murder, you have just said yourself that he is a serial killer. case closed.

It's not quite that simple. The only reason he is in jail is because Michigan has a law against assisted suicide.

He was aquited for 2 deaths prior to that in another state.

 

[WhiteWonder]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: daveymark
YOu left out Kevorkian, who has killed over 130

:roll:

Don't think assisted suicide falls under the serial killer category.

let's see if he meets the requirements for serial killer:

preys on those who can't or don't want to save themselves. - check

convicted of at least one murder, and confessed to multiple others - check

Enjoys what he's doing when another life is taken - check


The fact is, he was convicted of murder, so how would all of the other killings not apply?

Could you try that again using actual characteristics that criminal psychologists use instead of just making up your own that fit your argument?

Because it is possible for a serial killer to not have characteristics that a criminal psychologist would use. I'm talking about a basic definition of serial killer, i.e.,

"A serial killer is someone who murders several people over a longer period of time, sometimes over a number of years."

Kevorkian fits the description. It doesn't matter if he was sodomized as a child, or his father was an alcoholic.

That only counts if you consider what he's doing murder.

Again, a jury of 12 DOES consider it murder, which is why Kevorkian is sitting in jail right now. So, since what he is doing is murder, you have just said yourself that he is a serial killer. case closed.

How does this make him a serial killer again? Hold on, it doesn't! Case closed.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark
Again, a jury of 12 DOES consider it murder, which is why Kevorkian is sitting in jail right now. So, since what he is doing is murder, you have just said yourself that he is a serial killer. case closed.

It's not quite that simple. The only reason he is in jail is because Michigan has a law against assisted suicide.

He was aquited for 2 deaths prior to that in another state.

The Fundie Monkeys would prefer someone to suffer greatly than to end it all and die with dignity..though offing yourself in the back of Dr. K's van isn't really dignified.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: daveymark
YOu left out Kevorkian, who has killed over 130

:roll:

Don't think assisted suicide falls under the serial killer category.

let's see if he meets the requirements for serial killer:

preys on those who can't or don't want to save themselves. - check

convicted of at least one murder, and confessed to multiple others - check

Enjoys what he's doing when another life is taken - check


The fact is, he was convicted of murder, so how would all of the other killings not apply?

Could you try that again using actual characteristics that criminal psychologists use instead of just making up your own that fit your argument?

Because it is possible for a serial killer to not have characteristics that a criminal psychologist would use. I'm talking about a basic definition of serial killer, i.e.,

"A serial killer is someone who murders several people over a longer period of time, sometimes over a number of years."

Kevorkian fits the description. It doesn't matter if he was sodomized as a child, or his father was an alcoholic.

Cool, you just classified Gen. Patton as a serial killer.

Man, you are teh winnar!

Where was he convicted of murder? News to me. You're right, I am teh winnar! Got any more "facts" to share?

it doesn't say convicted there does it? Nope.

Just killed a lot of people over time, so by your own arguement, Patton is a serial killer.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Beau
You'd think that Crime Library would have something on Kevorkian if he was truely a serial killer.

Speaking of CL, check out their Section on Serial Killers. Lots of good info there.

You'd also think that Luis Alfredo Gavarito would also be in the crime library, seeing as how he raped and tortured 140 young boys over 5 years.

but he's not, which means the crime library is not all inclusive.

 

[Oscar1613]

how about the LA Serial Killer

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: WhiteWonder

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: daveymark
YOu left out Kevorkian, who has killed over 130

:roll:

Don't think assisted suicide falls under the serial killer category.

let's see if he meets the requirements for serial killer:

preys on those who can't or don't want to save themselves. - check

convicted of at least one murder, and confessed to multiple others - check

Enjoys what he's doing when another life is taken - check


The fact is, he was convicted of murder, so how would all of the other killings not apply?

Could you try that again using actual characteristics that criminal psychologists use instead of just making up your own that fit your argument?

Because it is possible for a serial killer to not have characteristics that a criminal psychologist would use. I'm talking about a basic definition of serial killer, i.e.,

"A serial killer is someone who murders several people over a longer period of time, sometimes over a number of years."

Kevorkian fits the description. It doesn't matter if he was sodomized as a child, or his father was an alcoholic.

That only counts if you consider what he's doing murder.

Again, a jury of 12 DOES consider it murder, which is why Kevorkian is sitting in jail right now. So, since what he is doing is murder, you have just said yourself that he is a serial killer. case closed.

How does this make him a serial killer again? Hold on, it doesn't! Case closed.

Erm, re-read the definition. "murders several people over the same time". He murdered one, and he confessed to doing the exact same thing over 130 times.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark
Again, a jury of 12 DOES consider it murder, which is why Kevorkian is sitting in jail right now. So, since what he is doing is murder, you have just said yourself that he is a serial killer. case closed.

It's not quite that simple. The only reason he is in jail is because Michigan has a law against assisted suicide.

He was aquited for 2 deaths prior to that in another state.

The Fundie Monkeys would prefer someone to suffer greatly than to end it all and die with dignity..though offing yourself in the back of Dr. K's van isn't really dignified.

Agreed. I'm not too comfortable of the idea of offing yourself in the back of someone's death wagon.

 

[Iron Woode]

Ok, I see the problem now.

daveymark is confusing a mass-muderer with a serial killer. There is a distinct difference.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: daveymark
YOu left out Kevorkian, who has killed over 130

:roll:

Don't think assisted suicide falls under the serial killer category.

let's see if he meets the requirements for serial killer:

preys on those who can't or don't want to save themselves. - check

convicted of at least one murder, and confessed to multiple others - check

Enjoys what he's doing when another life is taken - check


The fact is, he was convicted of murder, so how would all of the other killings not apply?

Could you try that again using actual characteristics that criminal psychologists use instead of just making up your own that fit your argument?

Because it is possible for a serial killer to not have characteristics that a criminal psychologist would use. I'm talking about a basic definition of serial killer, i.e.,

"A serial killer is someone who murders several people over a longer period of time, sometimes over a number of years."

Kevorkian fits the description. It doesn't matter if he was sodomized as a child, or his father was an alcoholic.

Cool, you just classified Gen. Patton as a serial killer.

Man, you are teh winnar!

Where was he convicted of murder? News to me. You're right, I am teh winnar! Got any more "facts" to share?

it doesn't say convicted there does it? Nope.

Just killed a lot of people over time, so by your own arguement, Patton is a serial killer.

Again, a serial killer needs to be convicted of at least one murder. How many serial killers have you seen who aren't convicted of at least one muder?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark
Again, a jury of 12 DOES consider it murder, which is why Kevorkian is sitting in jail right now. So, since what he is doing is murder, you have just said yourself that he is a serial killer. case closed.

It's not quite that simple. The only reason he is in jail is because Michigan has a law against assisted suicide.

He was aquited for 2 deaths prior to that in another state.

The Fundie Monkeys would prefer someone to suffer greatly than to end it all and die with dignity..though offing yourself in the back of Dr. K's van isn't really dignified.

Agreed. I'm not too comfortable of the idea of offing yourself in the back of someone's death wagon.

Yeah..it just goes to show how desperate some people are about not having to tremendously suffer.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Beau
You'd think that Crime Library would have something on Kevorkian if he was truely a serial killer.

Speaking of CL, check out their Section on Serial Killers. Lots of good info there.

You'd also think that Luis Alfredo Gavarito would also be in the crime library, seeing as how he raped and tortured 140 young boys over 5 years.

but he's not, which means the crime library is not all inclusive.

Because they mainly focus on US killers that's why. Kevorkian is not a serial killer, mainly because he didn't "assist" for power or for sexual gratification. I suggest you actually do some research on serial killers before saying that Kevorkian was anything like most killers. The other reason Kevorkian wasn't a serial killer was because his so called "victims" gave their consent and MOST carried out the act themselves, he just helped them with setting things up and instructions. I can't think of any well-known Criminal Pyschologist that thinks of Kevorkian as a serial killer.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Ok, I see the problem now.

daveymark is confusing a mass-muderer with a serial killer. There is a distinct difference.

No, a mass murderer kills everyone at ONE time. Where have I stated such?

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Beau
You'd think that Crime Library would have something on Kevorkian if he was truely a serial killer.

Speaking of CL, check out their Section on Serial Killers. Lots of good info there.

You'd also think that Luis Alfredo Gavarito would also be in the crime library, seeing as how he raped and tortured 140 young boys over 5 years.

but he's not, which means the crime library is not all inclusive.

Considering Gavarito was Columbian, and his actions were comitted in Columbia, I wouldn't expect him to be in Crime Library -- as from what I can see it caters to American cases. Kevorkian was a very high-profile American dispute.

But even that site you found Gavarito on didn't have Kevorkian under Serial Killers.

Reguardless of whethere Kevorkian is guilty of murder, he is not considered a Serial Killer because he did not prey on victims, he assited them in death after they, or their custodian, consulted him for help with it. People like Dahmer and Bundy killed their UNSUSPECTING victims for a psychotic reason.

 

[Legendary]

daveymark - your ignorance is impressive. Congratulations. Try finding out what a real serial killer is, then check back into this thread and realize how big of a tool you really are.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Beau
What about the DC Snipers, the cascade murders, UNABomber? The anthrax letters could have potentially made that list, too.

The DC Snipers were spree killers, because their killing was confined to a short period of time. The clown in Chicago(Spock) who killed all the nurses was a Mass Murderer because his killing was confined to that one instance, and he was a burglar by trade before that.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: daveymark
YOu left out Kevorkian, who has killed over 130

:roll:

Don't think assisted suicide falls under the serial killer category.

let's see if he meets the requirements for serial killer:

preys on those who can't or don't want to save themselves. - check

convicted of at least one murder, and confessed to multiple others - check

Enjoys what he's doing when another life is taken - check


The fact is, he was convicted of murder, so how would all of the other killings not apply?

Could you try that again using actual characteristics that criminal psychologists use instead of just making up your own that fit your argument?

Because it is possible for a serial killer to not have characteristics that a criminal psychologist would use. I'm talking about a basic definition of serial killer, i.e.,

"A serial killer is someone who murders several people over a longer period of time, sometimes over a number of years."

Kevorkian fits the description. It doesn't matter if he was sodomized as a child, or his father was an alcoholic.

Cool, you just classified Gen. Patton as a serial killer.

Man, you are teh winnar!

Where was he convicted of murder? News to me. You're right, I am teh winnar! Got any more "facts" to share?

it doesn't say convicted there does it? Nope.

Just killed a lot of people over time, so by your own arguement, Patton is a serial killer.

Again, a serial killer needs to be convicted of at least one murder. How many serial killers have you seen who aren't convicted of at least one muder?

I am sure there are serial killers out there that haven't been convicted of anything.

Does the Zodiac killer come to mind?

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark
Again, a jury of 12 DOES consider it murder, which is why Kevorkian is sitting in jail right now. So, since what he is doing is murder, you have just said yourself that he is a serial killer. case closed.

It's not quite that simple. The only reason he is in jail is because Michigan has a law against assisted suicide.

He was aquited for 2 deaths prior to that in another state.

The Fundie Monkeys would prefer someone to suffer greatly than to end it all and die with dignity..though offing yourself in the back of Dr. K's van isn't really dignified.

Agreed. I'm not too comfortable of the idea of offing yourself in the back of someone's death wagon.

Yeah..it just goes to show how desperate some people are about not having to tremendously suffer.

Exactly...now if only there were a way to legislate this properly, without having to break the law, things would be a lot better...

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: daveymark
YOu left out Kevorkian, who has killed over 130

:roll:

Don't think assisted suicide falls under the serial killer category.

let's see if he meets the requirements for serial killer:

preys on those who can't or don't want to save themselves. - check

convicted of at least one murder, and confessed to multiple others - check

Enjoys what he's doing when another life is taken - check


The fact is, he was convicted of murder, so how would all of the other killings not apply?

Could you try that again using actual characteristics that criminal psychologists use instead of just making up your own that fit your argument?

Because it is possible for a serial killer to not have characteristics that a criminal psychologist would use. I'm talking about a basic definition of serial killer, i.e.,

"A serial killer is someone who murders several people over a longer period of time, sometimes over a number of years."

Kevorkian fits the description. It doesn't matter if he was sodomized as a child, or his father was an alcoholic.

Cool, you just classified Gen. Patton as a serial killer.

Man, you are teh winnar!

Where was he convicted of murder? News to me. You're right, I am teh winnar! Got any more "facts" to share?

it doesn't say convicted there does it? Nope.

Just killed a lot of people over time, so by your own arguement, Patton is a serial killer.

Again, a serial killer needs to be convicted of at least one murder. How many serial killers have you seen who aren't convicted of at least one muder?

So any serial killer that gets away with it is NOT a serial killer?
What type of obscenely stupid logic is this?

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: daveymark
Again, a serial killer needs to be convicted of at least one murder. How many serial killers have you seen who aren't convicted of at least one muder?

WTF?

The Green River Killer was considered a serial killer and he didn't get caught for like 15 years. (He also had no prior convictions.)

 

[daveymark]

Looks like I opened a can of worms. I'm all for rational, intelligent debate, but some people here obviously have had their egos deflated. So flame on, I'm done with this one. In other words, you're all right, and I'm wrong. I apologize, I don't know what I was thinking.