Or maybe the in-game video settings that anandtech and these guys used are totally different? My guess is that anandtech tested with everything set to extremely high and then set the resolution at 1900 X 1200. TechSpot most likely used the "default" settings and then changed the resolution to 1900 X 1200. Sure, they both have the same resolution, but the settings make just as big of a difference as the resolution. To me, this seems the most plausable cause.
Or maybe the in-game video settings that anandtech and these guys used are totally different? My guess is that anandtech tested with everything set to extremely high and then set the resolution at 1900 X 1200. TechSpot most likely used the "default" settings and then changed the resolution to 1900 X 1200. Sure, they both have the same resolution, but the settings make just as big of a difference as the resolution. To me, this seems the most plausable cause.
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Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Sorry, I was a bit aggressive, and yes the HD2900XT is between them, just like it should be, though I think it will eventually match the GTX, but I am probably alone in that
Its just that I get fired up whenever I see everyone bashing it like it sucks donkey and is the second FX card
Why get fired up? It's just hardware. Not a pet.
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Sorry, I was a bit aggressive, and yes the HD2900XT is between them, just like it should be, though I think it will eventually match the GTX, but I am probably alone in that
Its just that I get fired up whenever I see everyone bashing it like it sucks donkey and is the second FX card
Why get fired up? It's just hardware. Not a pet.
We all get fired up occasionally, no one is above it. Besides, both Matt22 and him got fired up, but those both rose above it. Seems like good people to me.
Agreed, all speculation at this point. However, I am of the mind that people are not out there to produce false benchmarks. While it is true that sites in the past have done this, I think for the most part people are decent and do not do this. They may attempt to crop graphs off by not starting at zero, perhaps say a few things that are biased, but not fabricating numbers outright.
Unfortunately, people are all to quick to point a finger and call shens on something before really know the facts. I am guilty of this as well. But we do need to remember we do not know all scenarios and the truth always wins out eventually. Besides that, we all know how to read between the lines (most of us) so no one should take any single review as the law, but rather, should be comparing reviews, thinking through them and reading between the lines. That is the only way you can be satisfied with a purchase anyway.
At this point I am rooting for both ATI and nVidia. I'd love nothing better than for them to fix their performance issues, bugs and features in their program. Once they do that, I may purchase another video card... At this point, I am content staying in back of the pack, and my wallet is sure to thank me and my wife won't kill me. Everyone wins...
Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Sorry, I was a bit aggressive, and yes the HD2900XT is between them, just like it should be, though I think it will eventually match the GTX, but I am probably alone in that
Its just that I get fired up whenever I see everyone bashing it like it sucks donkey and is the second FX card
Why get fired up? It's just hardware. Not a pet.
We all get fired up occasionally, no one is above it. Besides, both Matt22 and him got fired up, but those both rose above it. Seems like good people to me.
Btw I am a very calm person, too calm actually, so calm that most of the time when arguing people think I am joking... LOL
But the one thing that always gets me fired up is injustice... I just cant stand it, anywhere, video cards included
(yes its a though life for me, considering how unfair the world is)That is why when the 8800GTX launched, I was as amazed as any of you, not once did I make a post trying to bring it down, or doubting its greatness, and thus it bothers me that so many people are doing that to the HD2900XT... If it was priced the same as a 8800GTX, I would join the bashing crew, but it is not, it is priced exactly where it should be (or even lower, depending on drivers), so people should appreciate AMD for having a nice offer at its price segment, as an alternative to Nvidia, not bash it
apoppin
Lifer
i haven't made up my mind yet about HD2900xt
i can't recommend it because of it's current drivers and power consumption issues ... yet i want one. i know if i had one i could recommend it - or not. But i am not going to spend $400 to be guinea pig for Video Forum
... too bad we can't rent or lease them ... i'd try two.
i can't recommend it because of it's current drivers and power consumption issues ... yet i want one. i know if i had one i could recommend it - or not. But i am not going to spend $400 to be guinea pig for Video Forum
... too bad we can't rent or lease them ... i'd try two.
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Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
so many people are doing that to the HD2900XT... If it was priced the same as a 8800GTX, I would join the bashing crew, but it is not, it is priced exactly where it should be (or even lower, depending on drivers), so people should appreciate AMD for having a nice offer at its price segment, as an alternative to Nvidia, not bash it
Many review sites show the 2900 performing about the same as a GTS640. The GTS640 costs less, uses less power and has less noise (many sites even not better image quality). So I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but that's where I find fault in your view of the current situation.
If it were priced less than a GTS640 you may have a better argument but at current prices it averages upwards of $100 more. I have seen nothing in any review that makes this card worth $100 more.
It may seem like I'm "bashing" the card. But these are the facts and it would be wrong to mislead people into thinking otherwise.
Just like recommending an $800 ultra, when someone can just get a $500 GTX and overclock it.
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
so many people are doing that to the HD2900XT... If it was priced the same as a 8800GTX, I would join the bashing crew, but it is not, it is priced exactly where it should be (or even lower, depending on drivers), so people should appreciate AMD for having a nice offer at its price segment, as an alternative to Nvidia, not bash it
Many review sites show the 2900 performing about the same as a GTS640. The GTS640 costs less, uses less power and has less noise (many sites even not better image quality). So I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but that's where I find fault in your view of the current situation.
If it were priced less than a GTS640 you may have a better argument but at current prices it averages upwards of $100 more. I have seen nothing in any review that makes this card worth $100 more.
It may seem like I'm "bashing" the card. But these are the facts and it would be wrong to mislead people into thinking otherwise.
Just like recommending an $800 ultra, when someone can just get a $500 GTX and overclock it.
Clearly, the only difference between our points of view is the timeline, while you buy a card for "HERE AND NOW", I buy a card to last as long as possible, and in that respect, I think the HD2900XT is the best bet, just like the X1800 is now much faster than the 7800, although at launch they were pretty even
If you change card often etc, then the GTS is the better choice, since it offers more consistent performance for a lower price, here and now
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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
so many people are doing that to the HD2900XT... If it was priced the same as a 8800GTX, I would join the bashing crew, but it is not, it is priced exactly where it should be (or even lower, depending on drivers), so people should appreciate AMD for having a nice offer at its price segment, as an alternative to Nvidia, not bash it
Many review sites show the 2900 performing about the same as a GTS640. The GTS640 costs less, uses less power and has less noise (many sites even not better image quality). So I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but that's where I find fault in your view of the current situation.
If it were priced less than a GTS640 you may have a better argument but at current prices it averages upwards of $100 more. I have seen nothing in any review that makes this card worth $100 more.
It may seem like I'm "bashing" the card. But these are the facts and it would be wrong to mislead people into thinking otherwise.
Just like recommending an $800 ultra, when someone can just get a $500 GTX and overclock it.
But, you also get HL2's next package, so that brings it down another Fitty... plus or minus tax...
apoppin
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Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
so many people are doing that to the HD2900XT... If it was priced the same as a 8800GTX, I would join the bashing crew, but it is not, it is priced exactly where it should be (or even lower, depending on drivers), so people should appreciate AMD for having a nice offer at its price segment, as an alternative to Nvidia, not bash it
Many review sites show the 2900 performing about the same as a GTS640. The GTS640 costs less, uses less power and has less noise (many sites even not better image quality). So I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but that's where I find fault in your view of the current situation.
If it were priced less than a GTS640 you may have a better argument but at current prices it averages upwards of $100 more. I have seen nothing in any review that makes this card worth $100 more.
It may seem like I'm "bashing" the card. But these are the facts and it would be wrong to mislead people into thinking otherwise.
Just like recommending an $800 ultra, when someone can just get a $500 GTX and overclock it.
of course i can't agree with you ... just on principle
no ... seriously, if i was buying a Video card right now [and i am right on the 'edge' of selling my x1950p] ... tonight, without question it would be the GTS 640 because i can get it for $320 from NewEgg or a little cheaper from other e-tailers. OTOH, i would have to pay well over $400 for a HD2900xt that is still in the GTS' class.
My dark horse theory - which the TechSpot review also suggests as being a plausible future - is that the HD2900xt will eventually close the gap with the GTX and perhaps even beat it in some DX10 games
Maybe .... maybe not ... but if got one tonight i know it would not be the XT ... not for $400 ... not now ... maybe in a few weeks or months ... depends if i upgrade ... and i am 100% sure that AMD is rushing to get r670 out the door ... How cheap will the GTS and XTs be then?
but for today ... it's GTS ... for me ... all the way .. tomorrow .. another review .. another driver update [or is it Thursday?}
and i really .... really don't care about HL2.2 ... or whatever chapter they are up to ... i will find it for a good price when it comes out if i want it.
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I agree with Keys. If this review is accurate it will come out in the wash. This same controversy happened when DT fps were miles off on some game. Different settings or different parts of the game - whatever. Does seem the hd2900 is likely better than (h)ocp thougt.
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Well, I have to disagree again. As I have seen nothing to prove that it will be $100 better than the GTS "in the future". You would be better off betting that money at the casino than betting on "future performance".
BTW here is what one review site said today...
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTMzOCwxMiwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=
I respect your opinion, but I dont respect HardOCP
They always bench BFG cards, which means they are obviously paid to do it, and in the launch day they showed the worst possible results for the HD2900XT (as usual)
They arent even biased, they are just paid... If HIS sends them a watercooled HD2900XT I wouldnt doubt it suddenly beat even the GTX
And of course no one doubts their results because they just go with the excuse "oh, but we test real world performance" :|
I mean, just look at the results compared to the Nvidias own sample.. do you really think a simple OC almost doubles the min fps while using higher settings? It does seem like a killer card for the price, but Id love to see a review of it on a decent site
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So the Fifty dollar free Valve Game doesn't count ? It is a promotion since it will cost $49.99 at retail at launch + tax...
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Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
I respect your opinion, but I dont respect HardOCP
Well it seems neither review quoted in this thread used AA or AF, so I'm not sure how credible you would consider that.
That's up to the individual buying it. Plenty of cards come with free games. The ASUS GTS comes with Ghost Recon and GTI racing for example. I would wait for the Valve game to actually be released before commenting on it's value.
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Anyone know how close AMD is to releasing it's next CAT drivers? Would definitely be interesting to see what they can pull from this architecture. Hold off on buying the 2900XT or GTS Apoppin. At least give AMD a shot with driver update. The only reason I say for you to wait, is that it seems you really want to get this card. I say, get what you want, but give it a driver or two before you get what you really don't want to get.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
apoppin
Lifer
my buyer turned out to be a little flaky again ... with regard to his check "clearing" ... so we canceled the deal and i am refunding the money
sigh
i STILL have my EE
--no way i am gonna sell my x1950p to him
That review overall still has me place the HD 2900 XT between the 8800 GTS 640 and GTX.
STALKER is weird it looks like the GTX only budges 4 FPS from 1280x1024 to 1920x1200. The HD2900 XT takes a nose dive as the resolution is increased.
Some results are very strange.
When was this review written? Isn't the 8800 GTS selling way below $400 already?
Also why are so few sites comparing R6: Vegas performance?
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