Techreport: A note on rumors about gtx 590 issues.

[Vesku]

Ahhh.. Now we (we being the collective) have you. Explain the difference between what you just stated here, and say.......... a laptop with NV's chipset in it. Why not make it a Dell for arguments sake.

If you are referring to bumpgate, then it is a defective product versus running your product out of specifications. Whoever you bought it from has the ultimate responsibility for dealing with your issue but that does not absolve the manufacturer from making a defective product and also dragging their feet in admitting to it. Explained! Any other questions?

 

[notty22]

The couple verified overclocked gtx 590 failures have been explained, yet I don't expect the unbiased jihad to stop any time soon.
Biased posters, biased reviewers, biased software, and they don't like the way the CEO looks, lol

 

[WelshBloke]

The couple verified overclocked gtx 590 failures have been explained, yet I don't expect the unbiased jihad to stop any time soon.
Biased posters, biased reviewers, biased software, and they don't like the way the CEO looks, lol

Come off it! You know full well if 7 or so 6990s hadn't made it through the reviews intact we'd be talking about that as well.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Come off it! You know full well if 7 or so 6990s hadn't made it through the reviews intact we'd be talking about that as well.

I remember quite a few lengthy discussions when the 48xx cards were having issues running Furmark. AMD improved the protections in Evergreen, I expect Nvidia to make improvements as well.

I do hope in the future we don't see these products rushed out the door, which appears to be the case with the GTX590. I understand the need to have an answer, especially to a halo product, but IMO delaying the product a few weeks is better than the "egg on face" scenario playing out now.

 

[WelshBloke]

I remember quite a few lengthy discussions when the 48xx cards were having issues running Furmark. AMD improved the protections in Evergreen, I expect Nvidia to make improvements as well.

I do hope in the future we don't see these products rushed out the door, which appears to be the case with the GTX590. I understand the need to have an answer, especially to a halo product, but IMO delaying the product a few weeks is better than the "egg on face" scenario playing out now.

Hell, look at the fuss being made about AMD not honouring warranties on products not sold by them.

Or the fact that overclocking/overvolting is now somehow a bad thing on an enthusiasts forum.

 

[Phynaz]

Keys could have hidden his status at any point in time, but he didn't, he chose to tell the truth, he chose to emprint the truth on every single post he made. WHAT THE F**K DOES HE NEED TO DO TO BE TREATED FAIRLY WHILE BEING IN THE FOCUS GROUP! Name it. I dare you!

I don't believe I have treated Keys unfairly.

Now if you mean 'the same same as somebody that is not compensated' by 'fair', then that is impossible.

If Keys wants to be treated just like everybody else then all he needs to do is quit the focus group.

 

[AnandThenMan]

If Keys wants to be treated just like everybody else then all he needs to do is quit the focus group.

I can understand how some would feel this way. But my thoughts are that because Keys is a Mod here and a Focus Group member, he has to not only represent Anandtech, but also Nvidia. I don't think it is hard to understand how that could potentially create a conflict of interest.

But I do like having official company reps in the various forums.

 

[railven]

But I do like having official company reps in the various forums.

This I agree with. So in a sense we can get the answers straight from the horse's mouth.

But don't expect me to this said person's opinion as unbiased or their own. I'll ask said person of said brand they represent only. Any comments of other brands would be treated as marketing propaganda, but that's just me. I also wouldn't go out of my way to be rude to said person.

Do we have any known ATI (not AMD CPU) representatives in the forums?

 

[Seero]

I don't believe I have treated Keys unfairly.

Now if you mean 'the same same as somebody that is not compensated' by 'fair', than that is impossible.

If Keys wants to be treated just like everybody else then all he needs to do is quit the focus group.

Will you believe that Keys will quit the focus group because he say so? If you will believe, than you would have believed that Keys is simply bias because he wants to, not believe he is being forced or paid. That means, there is nothing Keys can do. You know what, Keys don't hate you guys for your being, you guys hate him for his being.

He didn't say things for Nvidia all the time because Nvidia pays him to, but AMD fanboys claimed that everything he said is from Nvidia's PR because he is paid to do so. Guess what? Whether or not he gets paid or not doesn't matter anymore as you need the excuse for your hatred.

Because the problem isn't on Keys' status, but those who hate his status, there is nothing he can do. Not being a Mod won't fix it, dropping out of whatever group he is in wont fix it. He cancel his account and the hate will still be there. But Keysplayr helps people! He is a nice guys, isn't he? Why try to destroy Keys? Simply accept his being and status so he can speak freely. Moderators do not control the forum, we do. If you value this forum, than consider my words. Return Keys value back to him. Let him be who he wants to be. Having him quit what he likes to be in doesn't bring anything to us. Nothing!

 

[Seero]

This I agree with. So in a sense we can get the answers straight from the horse's mouth.

Exactly. Doesn't matter which camp you like, that can't mean bad.

But don't expect me to this said person's opinion as unbiased or their own. I'll ask said person of said brand they represent only. Any comments of other brands would be treated as marketing propaganda, but that's just me. I also wouldn't go out of my way to be rude to said person.

I am not saying he isn't bias, but let him be bias on his free will. See it as his free will because it is his free will, no different from a normal fanboy.

Do we have any known ATI (not AMD CPU) representatives in the forums?

I say we should, so we can have an even warzone, but than the AMD guy/gal must be as tolerable as Keys or s/he will probably quit in a week.

 

[wahdangun]

Wait, I am confused. Nvidia is responsible to their GPU (bumpgate) and AMD is not responsible for anything, right?

That is okay, as long as you will go by your rules. It isn't Keys you stated AMD isn't going to warranty overclock 6990, AMD did.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/carl/amds-official-statement-over-hd6990-warranty/

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk...6990/Pages/amd-radeon-hd-6990-overview.aspx#4


Hey if it is okay for you, then it is okay. Seriously, I OC my Q6600 since day one, and I knew it voids warranties. I even lapped the CPU (hey no warranties anyway.) So what?

The only problem is when those who believe a company is responsible for those who failed to OC.

what?? first of all, the one that produce graphic card was AIB, and nvdia or amd only produce gpu, so when the Gpu was defective(bumpgate) its gpu manufacture that was responsible for it,

and about keys part, yes I'm not comfortable if a company marketing become a mod in neutral tech forum, and sometimes it can make conflic of interest

 

[Phynaz]

Will you believe that Keys will quit the focus group because he say so? If you will believe, than you would have believed that Keys is simply bias because he wants to, not believe he is being forced or paid. That means, there is nothing Keys can do.

Why wouldn't I believe him?

You know what, Keys don't hate you guys for your being, you guys hate him for his being.

I don't hate Keys.

He didn't say things for Nvidia all the time because Nvidia pays him to, but AMD fanboys claimed that everything he said is from Nvidia's PR because he is paid to do so.

Doesn't matter. See my earlier post about the psychology of monetary coercion.

Because the problem isn't on Keys' status, but those who hate his status, there is nothing he can do. Not being a Mod won't fix it, dropping out of whatever group he is in wont fix it. He cancel his account and the hate will still be there. But Keysplayr helps people! He is a nice guys, isn't he? Why try to destroy Keys? Simply accept his being and status so he can speak freely. Moderators do not control the forum, we do. If you value this forum, than consider my words. Return Keys value back to him. Let him be who he wants to be. Having him quit what he likes to be in doesn't bring anything to us. Nothing!

Again, I don't hate Keys, I don't even know him. Also, I can't have him "quit" being who he want's to be. Only he can decide that.

 

[Vesku]

He's not moderating VC&G and he has his computer hardware related affiliation listed in his signature, seems above board to me. Part of decision making is weighting peoples arguments and opinions. Create a separate thread if you want to discuss such things, but remember not to make it a personal call out.

Back on topic, the Tech Report's rebuttal to exploding 590s really glosses over that the maximum recommended overvolting on the 590 is +25mv or so. I think nVidia's listed tolerances on the 590 are quite telling of how much closer on maximum power and thermal budget they are than the 6990.

This whole topic is a bit reminiscent of the "AMD drivers suck" fan driven astro-turfing that was going on for quite a while. Seems that at the very least AMD fans have started to master the same FUD techniques, can't really say if there is any direct AMD marketing involvement or not though.

 

[MrK6]

That is pure opinion, sorry.

I SLI'd GTX280s at a cost of around $1100. Never touched the voltage. I would consider myself an enthusiast.

Putting the most expensive GPUs out of warranty is just plain dumb. The returns for overclocking GPUs are usually very small. This is especially true when you take into account that going from 150FPS to 210FPS is effectively doing nothing.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30249155&postcount=2
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29562574&postcount=7
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30920942&postcount=97
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=27863606&postcount=189

I rarely overclock. I do have my i7 860 up to 3.4 GHz though. That is without messing with any voltages. Not comfortable with that stuff. And the GTX590 IMHO really doesn't need to be overclocked. Others may disagree, and maybe it's just that I can't be bothered with o/c'ing most of the time.
To each his own but the ones who don't never need worry about their warranty.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30354505&postcount=12
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30229963&postcount=85
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29842952&postcount=34
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29681806&postcount=131

I guess it's cool to switch stances at each release, whatever you have to do to wave the green flag, amirite?

It'd be bad enough to just have fanboy scum ruining this forum, but to have compensated fanboy scum, well, you wonder why these threads can never have a productive discussion.


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[badb0y]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30249155&postcount=2
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29562574&postcount=7
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30920942&postcount=97
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=27863606&postcount=189

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30354505&postcount=12
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30229963&postcount=85
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29842952&postcount=34
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29681806&postcount=131

I guess it's cool to switch stances at each release, whatever you have to do to wave the green flag, amirite?

It'd be bad enough to just have fanboy scum ruining this forum, but to have compensated fanboy scum, well, you wonder why these threads can never have a productive discussion.

Who do you think you are? John Stewart?

 

[OCGuy]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30249155&postcount=2
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29562574&postcount=7
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=30920942&postcount=97
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=27863606&postcount=189

Huh? I have said I OC my GPUs, I don't over-volt them.

 

[thilanliyan]

Keys could have hidden his status at any point in time, but he didn't, he chose to tell the truth, he chose to emprint the truth on every single post he made. WHAT THE F**K DOES HE NEED TO DO TO BE TREATED FAIRLY WHILE BEING IN THE FOCUS GROUP! Name it. I dare you!

From what I understand (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the focus group members only started with their signature AFTER the whole AEG thing came to light (but I don't think Keys was a part of it at that time). After the AEG thing, didn't everybody in the focus group have to put their membership in their signature? At least here at AnandTech? Or was it required before but now it is not?

 

[3DVagabond]

I don't think anyone here hates Keysplayer. That's just spin. I can guarantee you I don't. I also don't judge him by his sig. I judge him by his posts. There's an old saying, "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck". Keysplayer does toe the company line for nVidia. Trying to deny it would be ridiculous.

We are entitled to disagree with him and voice it. As long as it's kept civil. Anyone, on either side of this, or any other argument, isn't civil, then that person is out of line. Do some people cross the line of civility? Yes. People on both sides of the argument do. I think all of the cursing (even if you use symbols to obscure it) is uncivil. An old saying, "Vulgarity is the crutch of the ignorant". It's a sad state of affairs if someone can't come up with words longer than 4 letters to get their point across.

The other side of the coin is Keysplayer is definitely a positive contributor to this forum because of his affiliation and links/contacts with nVidia. On more than one occasion he has liaised with nVidia, or their representatives, about concerns people on these forums have had. Which is more than can be said for some others around here who contribute nothing to these forums except fanboi rhetoric.

 

[Pantalaimon]

I think a lot of people's extreme negative reaction to focus group membership is due to the behavior of that other focus group member who wreaked havoc here and has since been perma banned from these forums. Some times it takes just one black sheep to taint the whole flock.

 

[Keysplayr]

Not sure why you all think it's "A-OK" to freely discuss what you think of me personally in an open tech forum. Positive or negative, I think this needs to end.

 

[notty22]

This is how some fanZ deal with a informational thread when Nvidia is involved. Brutal.

 

[SirPauly]

This whole topic is a bit reminiscent of the "AMD drivers suck" fan driven astro-turfing that was going on for quite a while. Seems that at the very least AMD fans have started to master the same FUD techniques, can't really say if there is any direct AMD marketing involvement or not though.

imho,

I think most of it is just extremism sprinkled in with some self righteous posting. The key is if someone disagrees with someone, it must be PR!

Personally expect PR to do 180's and some posters, which are loyal brand and passionate to say similar things. I have no problem with this as long as their posts are not personal in nature towards members. They still bring good to forums, too, because they may share a view, help someone or offer another side of the coin. Don't allow idealism to be the enemy of good. Ideally, one may like to see consistency, objectivity, fairness but this is all subjective to how someone personally defines these qualities and may differ.

AMD and nVidia fans are the same to me: Both passionate about PC technologies, which is good!

Information it out there, and is nVidia's responsibility to make sure these products are safe. Their name is on the products and have accountability and responsibility and hopefully steps have been made to improve these products for customers, AIB's and for nVidia.

 

[Zanovar]

This I agree with. So in a sense we can get the answers straight from the horse's mouth.

But don't expect me to this said person's opinion as unbiased or their own. I'll ask said person of said brand they represent only. Any comments of other brands would be treated as marketing propaganda, but that's just me. I also wouldn't go out of my way to be rude to said person.

Do we have any known ATI (not AMD CPU) representatives in the forums?

Company reps in forums are great imo,reps or affiliates mods on forums=not so great.
@OCguy perhaps a name change?*laughs*

 

[Seero]

Not sure why you all think it's "A-OK" to freely discuss what you think of me personally in an open tech forum. Positive or negative, I think this needs to end.

I am perfectly aware the discussion is right next to breaking the rules of this forum, but here, it is really nothing personal. Yes, we can close this thread but then the ideas that drives people to do what they do will still be there.

I also understand the topic we are dicussing doesn't have anything to do with VC&C, but it is a serious problem in this forum for a long time. Yes there are some who are biased towards a particular vendor, but that doesn't hurt. It starts to hurt when things get personal, which had happened right in this thread.

This isn't the first thread I kick this idea around, I understand the risk and take responsibility for bringing this issue to the surface. Keys, I don't have an issue with you, nor any issue those who disagree with you. I have problems when seeing someone personal attacking another individuals. Yes, you can handle it, you can take it, but not all individual is at capable on this issue than you. I for one, isn't as capable.

I don't know about others, but I see sense from those who I am having debate at another threads, maybe vice versa. Yes, we cannot agree on everything, but we can agree on something. I say, we can fight all day long as long as people can have mercy towards others. If it is about the topic, or an idea, it is okay to have a heated debate. Things like "He is paid" really isn't a valid argument, but had been used over and over again.

We can fight, but we can't win, in a forum war. That is fine, as long as no one feel bad for their being. Cut those types of comments and we can have healther debates.

 

[Kenmitch]

Not sure why you all think it's "A-OK" to freely discuss what you think of me personally in an open tech forum. Positive or negative, I think this needs to end.

This is one of the things that I'll agree with you on....Not sure why it's going on so long!