"blow away"? umm.. sure.. go ahead and hold your breath..
if anything, it may be slightly faster (there were some early leaks/rumors that it was 2-5% faster in Crysis, tho it could simply be marketing BS), but that's still conjecture..
"blow away"? umm.. sure.. go ahead and hold your breath..
if anything, it may be slightly faster (there were some early leaks/rumors that it was 2-5% faster in Crysis, tho it could simply be marketing BS), but that's still conjecture..
Storytelling? What storytelling? About the only thing you ever hear is where to go and what to do, it's at the very beginning of the game and not until the end of the game when the Gman comes out while everything's stopped that you get just a little bit of plot. How lame is that?
PingSpike
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Jeeze...I figured I'd be attacked for my comments on the 2900xt, not HL2.
Besides the gravity gun (which is a gimic, but served to highlight the physics system which is pretty great) Name one new thing HL2 did.
I thought the game was polished, with likeable characters and big (scripted) events that conveyed the story, great art and animation...but as far as actual gameplay goes? Meh. The AI is pretty uninteresting and certainly nothing above par for the course. The gravity gun is the only new weapon that does anything different...and frankly...it got kind of old. Cool weapons from the first one, like snarks, laser mines, satchel charges and the gauss gun...were all either cut or not planned for the game! What was left was a plethora of nerfed conventional weapons, which were probably nerfed even more to force you to shoot saw blades at everything with the GG.
Its a good game, and I own two copies of it. But I really had no desire to play the single player more then once.
Besides the gravity gun (which is a gimic, but served to highlight the physics system which is pretty great) Name one new thing HL2 did.
I thought the game was polished, with likeable characters and big (scripted) events that conveyed the story, great art and animation...but as far as actual gameplay goes? Meh. The AI is pretty uninteresting and certainly nothing above par for the course. The gravity gun is the only new weapon that does anything different...and frankly...it got kind of old. Cool weapons from the first one, like snarks, laser mines, satchel charges and the gauss gun...were all either cut or not planned for the game! What was left was a plethora of nerfed conventional weapons, which were probably nerfed even more to force you to shoot saw blades at everything with the GG.
Its a good game, and I own two copies of it. But I really had no desire to play the single player more then once.
Why not? Whats unrealistic about 8800 being optimized for DX9 and 2900 being optimized for DX10? Nvidia still wins, because there are no DX10 games out
Making a card great at both would probably be impossible, since this is a completely different API, unlike DX8 to DX9
actually, the jump from dx8 to dx9 was more dramatic in terms of what rendering effects the api's were capable of.
dx10 doesn't really do anything dx9 csn't do (there are a lot of things in dx9 that have yet to be done due to constraints); rather it will just allow it to do more.
dx10 is about lowering "overhead". part of that is tight integration between the api and the operating system (part of the reason MS isn't releasing DX10 for XP, which in effect would be more like making XP into Vista as the API is tightly integrated with the kernel). with DX9 the driver and api could take up almost half of the execution time; with DX10 that "overhead" is cut in half. this allows the savings to be used by the game/app to do more things in the same amount of time since cpu cycles aren't being "robbed" by the driver/api.
removing the seperate "stages" of the rendering pipeline also cuts down on the "overhead" (tho a unified arhcitecture is not a requirement of DX10 - a geometry shader stage would have to be added to a "fixed" pipeline, DX10 is required to support a UA). unlike "fixed" units dedicated to vertex, pixel, and geometry shader processing, a unified architecture is like one big unit that does them all, so gpu cycles aren't being wasted by having to separate the stages, and also nothing is being wasted if say, more vertex processing is required than pixel processing, as they can all be done (sorry if not entirely clear; i'm trying to be brief) by any of the processing units.
regarding your comment that it's "almost impossible" to do both DX9 & DX10 well, that's kinda like saying an x86 cpu can't run both linux and windows well...
MustangSVT
Lifer
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Regs
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Originally posted by: MustangSVT
hmmmm interesting they updated the original link
... lol.
Talk about another scam to try to get clicks.
Ok folks wtg for falling for the oldest trick in the book.
And their explaination:
Real pro's. I can see why they are hungry for clicks.
Can the OP do the internet a service an remove the link all together?
can't say I'm disappointed or shocked.
It was the Nv FX scenario verbatim. I'm going to step on a pretty sturdy limb and say the dx10 performance is going to be unacceptable ala DX9 performance of the FX.
It was the Nv FX scenario verbatim. I'm going to step on a pretty sturdy limb and say the dx10 performance is going to be unacceptable ala DX9 performance of the FX.
hehe, maybe Ati/Amd will start having games labeled "Game Designed for ATI Cards". I think NV started doing that when the FX came out and some of the games had worse performance on the cards they were designed for.
Apparently there really is a bad case of driver immaturity, and Im starting to think all reviews out there will harm the card because of not having updated drivers...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2184146&postcount=175
It seems 8.38 drivers just got released and offer a SUBSTANCIAL fps boost IN GAMES... (screenshot has a +15 fps boost)
Who knows how much potential is left there
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2184146&postcount=175
It seems 8.38 drivers just got released and offer a SUBSTANCIAL fps boost IN GAMES... (screenshot has a +15 fps boost)
Who knows how much potential is left there
Driver immaturity?!? Say it isn't so... It had better not be so given the sh!t ATi has flung nvidia's way over drivers....
CrystalBay
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So , I guess I can bench two completely different cards and drivers without uninstalling , either or ? Cmon!!!!!
He's got ccc in the toolbar installed while benching a gts...
Maybe I can in Vista... very strange... Here's another shot Two cards running Two drivers running at the same time ?
He's got ccc in the toolbar installed while benching a gts...
Maybe I can in Vista... very strange... Here's another shot Two cards running Two drivers running at the same time ?
I don't think newer drivers will necessarily save R600.
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For the DX10 hopefuls, heres some benchie, one of which features AndyTX's DX10 Variance Shadow Maps Demo
Unfortunately for the conspiracy theorists, the R600 gets slaughtered in this test.
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Originally Posted by Silent_Buddha View Post
8.361 driver is evidently what is shipping on the driver CD in retail packages.
Later drivers are ONLY available to people that have actually signed an NDA and thus have access to ATI. And apparently later driver revisions are "supposed" to be faster. Hopefully by faster, they don't means just 1% faster.
In other words all these "leaked" benches are from people who either work at a retail shop and/or know someone that works at a retail shop. They've popped open a package and are playing around with it and obviously benchmarking with the older driver since they do not have access to newer driver revisions.
Regards,
SB
I havent signed any NDA but ive the 8.374 driver.
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For the DX10 hopefuls, heres some benchie, one of which features AndyTX's DX10 Variance Shadow Maps Demo
Unfortunately for the conspiracy theorists, the R600 gets slaughtered in this test.
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Originally posted by: Gstanfor
I don't think newer drivers will necessarily save R600.
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Originally Posted by Silent_Buddha View Post
8.361 driver is evidently what is shipping on the driver CD in retail packages.
Later drivers are ONLY available to people that have actually signed an NDA and thus have access to ATI. And apparently later driver revisions are "supposed" to be faster. Hopefully by faster, they don't means just 1% faster.
In other words all these "leaked" benches are from people who either work at a retail shop and/or know someone that works at a retail shop. They've popped open a package and are playing around with it and obviously benchmarking with the older driver since they do not have access to newer driver revisions.
Regards,
SB
I havent signed any NDA but ive the 8.374 driver.
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For the DX10 hopefuls, heres some benchie, one of which features AndyTX's DX10 Variance Shadow Maps Demo
Unfortunately for the conspiracy theorists, the R600 gets slaughtered in this test.
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Those results are so atrociously bad I dont even know what to say
And look at how bad the card drops once the resolution goes up...
Either AMD wanted to have its own FX fiasco, or we are in for a big surprise
manimal
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Havent you heard? the fx line has mated with the Matrox parhelia and spawned a daughter card that gets negative frames in HL1 but puts out a BLISTERING 10fps in pongHD,rumor is that you can do a mod by stabbing it 100 times with a pencil to unlock an extra pipeline that actually spews crude oil.
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