[techpowerup] gk104 =/= 660.. try adding 10 and ti to that..

[IonusX]

to all those who were convinced the 104 was the 660.. umm here is a fork

to eat you words!
http://www.techpowerup.com/160933/Top-NVIDIA-GK104-Part-Gets-GeForce-GTX-670-Ti-Branding.html
witht his the 680 now stands alone against the 7970.. looks like an hd 6000 vs gtx 500 series all over again haha
so i sing to you in the words of my idol..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcJjMnHoIBI&ob=av3e

Dupe
-ViRGE

 

[toyota]

the gk104 was likely going to be a gtx560ti replacement originally and even you know that. Nvidia calling it the gtx670ti means it probably performs close to a 7950 and Nvidia knows they can call it that and charge more. if the 7950 was faster then of course this would have been a gtx660ti.

 

[omeds]

Why does product name matter? 670ti is still GK104 mid range part, leaving possibly 2 variants for GK112, probably GTX680 and GTX685/90.

 

[blackened23]

Why does product name matter? 670ti is still GK104 mid range part, leaving possibly 2 variants for GK112, probably GTX680 and GTX685/90.

If GK110/112 doesn't get released until Q3-Q4 like everyone is saying, then this delay is *worse* than the Fermi delay....that amounts to roughly a 8-9 month delay for a high end part. Not sure what the deal is at NV, they have ambitious designs for sure but if it ends up costing a year in delays is that worth the opportunity cost? Now I fully expect the GK104 to be a great part, should be interesting to see what the price turns out to be.

 

[omeds]

Honestly if its out in Q3 its no big deal, 580's are still providing enthusiast level performance and 670ti will be a little better apparently. If I had to hazard a guess, with mid range GK104 rumored to be slightly faster than 580/7950, GK112 would probably compete with AMD 8 series released 6 months after it on the same node anyhow.

 

[Keysplayr]

Looks as though things might turn out exactly as most of us thought IonusX. All it shows is a shift in the nomenclature just like AMD did going from 5870 to 6970. GTX670Ti would be the segment replacement for the GTX560Ti. Not the segment replacement for the GTX570.
So, you know what to do with that fork?

MANCHESTER UNITED!!!!!!

 

[toyota]

I guess its a good thing that I don't really need to upgrade. I am certainly not going to pay 350 bucks or more for a 20% upgrade over a last gen card that I paid much less than for.

 

[omeds]

Thats how I feel and why I wont upgrade to 7 series or GK104, its GK112 or AMD refresh/8 series for me.

 

[Arkadrel]

*IF* GK104 = 670 (~580/7950 performance)
That means nvidia still plans to release 1 chip thats faster, ei a 680, right?

Which will then probably end up like 5% faster than a 7970 or something
(just gotta wait along time for it)

And then the 690 witch will probably be 2x GK104 dies slapped together and underclocked.

 

[omeds]

I'd say there will be 2 chips above 670ti, like there are 2 above 560ti (570 & 580). This way they can sell off GK112 chips with defective parts like in every previous line up.

More than likely a high end GTX685 or 690, full cores and so on, and GTX680 with a defective cluster etc.

 

[blackened23]

Looks as though things might turn out exactly as most of us thought IonusX. All it shows is a shift in the nomenclature just like AMD did going from 5870 to 6970. GTX670Ti would be the segment replacement for the GTX560Ti. Not the segment replacement for the GTX570.
So, you know what to do with that fork?

MANCHESTER UNITED!!!!!!

I dunno, releasing a 670ti while not having a 680 ready until Q3 sounds almost like admitting defeat. New naming scheme is dumb.

 

[MrK6]

I dunno, releasing a 670ti while not having a 680 ready until Q3 sounds almost like admitting defeat. New naming scheme is dumb.

Companies rename products because the old names wouldn't sell as well. It's that simple. Whether or not that reflects on the quality of the product remains to be seen.

 

[Arzachel]

I guess its a good thing that I don't really need to upgrade. I am certainly not going to pay 350 bucks or more for a 20% upgrade over a last gen card that I paid much less than for.

Actually, in addition to increased manufacturing costs, this could be the reason for the increased price. Little to no new games or features pushing people to upgrade means that AMD/Nvidia has to make up for volume with price. Then again the G80 kinda contradicts that thought pretty hard...

 

[Quantos]

I dunno, releasing a 670ti while not having a 680 ready until Q3 sounds almost like admitting defeat. New naming scheme is dumb.

I'd say that depends what comes in Q3, then. Assuming AMD is working on a Tahiti refresh, we'd end up with a refresh of an already released chip on their side against a brand new one from Nvidia. I wouldn't expect the refresh to win in such a case.

Depending on how good GK104 actually is, and what is its potential for a refresh, I almost feel like GK110 should be released as the 700 series.

 

[railven]

Looks as though things might turn out exactly as most of us thought IonusX. All it shows is a shift in the nomenclature just like AMD did going from 5870 to 6970. GTX670Ti would be the segment replacement for the GTX560Ti. Not the segment replacement for the GTX570.
So, you know what to do with that fork?

MANCHESTER UNITED!!!!!!

You guys were wrong on price point and tier, yet "things might turn out exactly as" most of you thought?

Semi-Accurate, eat your heart out! Say enough things and you're bond to be right.

Regardless of name, make it a good price point with good perf (and notice, I'm not one of those whining about "but we had this performance for 36 years at the same price point" posters.) and I'll buy it!

 

[Meaker10]

Can Nvidia just release something even just to help prices come down at SOME segment? KTHNXBYE.

 

[railven]

Companies rename products because the old names wouldn't sell as well. It's that simple. Whether or not that reflects on the quality of the product remains to be seen.

The 'tard in me thinks of it as a free upgrade, haha.

"WOAH I just bought a GTX 670!" And then you list it in your signature and feel like you have a big epeen.

But that's just the 'tard in me, and I don't know if I'd disclose the name shift to the GF so soon, might get me some brownie points

 

[SlowSpyder]

Is it probably safe to assume the 7970 will be the fastest single GPU until the GK100, then? That article sounds that way to me.

And depending on when the 680 launches (assuming that is the name), I would not be shocked to see a 1.25+GHz 7970-type of chip from AMD to counter with.

Well, one thing is certain, at least the graphics world is exciting again. The GTX5xx and Radeon 6xxx parts just didn't do much for me. It was nearly as boring as the 9800GTX and 3870 days until the new Radeons launched.

 

[notty22]

The OP really showed us ?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I guess its a good thing that I don't really need to upgrade. I am certainly not going to pay 350 bucks or more for a 20% upgrade over a last gen card that I paid much less than for.

Compared to the 7950 for $450-$500 or the 7970 for $550-$610 a $350 nvidia equivalent would be a steal. I'm not even 100% sure it'd be that cheap after AMD totally screwed up the gpu market.

 

[MrK6]

Compared to the 7950 for $450-$500 or the 7970 for $550-$610 a $350 nvidia equivalent would be a steal. I'm not even 100% sure it'd be that cheap after AMD totally screwed up the gpu market.

How so?

 

[blackened23]

How so?

Didn't you hear, its AMD's fault that nvidia can't release their halo part on time. They obviously have agents working undercover at nvidia to hijack their progress.

 

[Grooveriding]

Got to love it when nvidia's possible high prices are being put on AMD

I don't think the card will be more than $450. $400 to $450 and 10% slower than the 7970 overall, possibly faster in Batman:AC and as fast in BF3. Nvidia's advantage will be already knowing how fast a 7970 is and clocking their card as high as possible to look good against a stock 7970.

AMD is going to have their conservative clocking of the 7970 cost them in review benchmarks when the two cards are compared at stock. Now would be a good time to put out a 1100+ core stock 7970 to keep justifying a $550 price. That or a $50 price drop.

 

[Arzachel]

Is it probably safe to assume the 7970 will be the fastest single GPU until the GK100, then? That article sounds that way to me.

And depending on when the 680 launches (assuming that is the name), I would not be shocked to see a 1.25+GHz 7970-type of chip from AMD to counter with.

Well, one thing is certain, at least the graphics world is exciting again. The GTX5xx and Radeon 6xxx parts just didn't do much for me. It was nearly as boring as the 9800GTX and 3870 days until the new Radeons launched.

If GK110 is 50-60% faster than GTX580, AMD could match that quite easily by cranking the clocks by ~20% and slapping on some shaders... but you probably won't see anything like that. Much more likely that AMD will rather focus on getting Sea/Canary Islands out faster, than using their manpower on a refresh. Kinda funny hearing people say that it isn't worth buying the fastest if it won't hold its throne for atleast 6 months, we'll see plenty of backpedaling with the GK110

 

[wahdangun]

Didn't you hear, its AMD's fault that nvidia can't release their halo part on time. They obviously have agents working undercover at nvidia to hijack their progress.

shhh shut up, don't let IDC know or he will stop sending you new shill. lol

Hail AMD