Technological advancement since the moon landing

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ZzZGuy

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a particle accelerator and hadron collider located at CERN, near Geneva, Switzerland ( [show location on an interactive map] 46°14'N, 6°03'E). Currently under construction, the LHC is scheduled to begin operation in May 2008.[1][2] The LHC is expected to become the world's largest and highest-energy particle accelerator.[3] The LHC is being funded and built in collaboration with over two thousand physicists from thirty-four countries as well as hundreds of universities and laboratories. When activated, it is theorized that the collider will produce the elusive Higgs boson, the observation of which could confirm the predictions and 'missing links' in the Standard Model of physics and could explain how other elementary particles acquire properties such as mass.[4][3] The verification of the existence of the Higgs boson would be a significant step in the search for a Grand Unified Theory, which seeks to unify three of the four fundamental forces: electromagnetism, the strong force, and the weak force. The Higgs boson may also help to explain why the remaining force, gravitation, is so weak compared to the other three forces. In addition to the Higgs boson, other theorized novel particles that might be produced, and for which searches[5] are planned, include strangelets, micro black holes, magnetic monopoles and supersymmetric particles[6].

The collider is contained in a circular tunnel with a circumference of 26.659 kilometres (16.5 miles), at a depth ranging from 50 to 175 metres underground


They don't actually know what is going to happen, just theories like when they detonated the first atomic bomb. If it all works and nothing happens then everything we know about physics is wrong.


-edit- looking back on the OP, i see this is not quite what he meant. But still very neat.
 

Uhtrinity

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Most of my students, mainly the 5th - 8th graders take all the technology they have for granted. So I have made it a point to include as much computer history in my computer lab as possible. I also make use of 20 - 30 year old dinosaurs (computers and parts) as visual aides. Most are literally astonished that we didn't always have 3d video games and the internet and that it has become big within their lifetimes.
 

Tom

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"internet/home PC's and microwave ovens"

all 3 were developed during the "space race" time frame, just not as consumer products.

 

ranmaniac

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From wiki:

integrated circuit
laser
general microprocessors
C programming language
pocket calculators
supercomputers
fiber optics
vcr
personal computers
gaming systems
audio/video, data storage (CDs, DVDs etc)
DNA fingerprinting
detection of extrasolar planets orbiting stars other than the sun
Cloning (Dolly the sheep cloned in 1996)
NASA spacecraft lands on Mars (Mars rover)
Discovery of dark matter
GPS
International space station
cellular phones / hand-held satellite phones
DSLRs
high speed internet (ISDN,Cable, xDSL etc)





 

DaveSimmons

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e-mail, e-books, CDs, iPods, VCRs, DVDs & blu-ray, 1080p DLPs and LCDs, PS3 360 and wii, digital watches, LED and CFL bulbs, digital cameras, scanners, sat phones, cell phones (that text, take pics, email, play music and browse), On Demand cable programs, Pixar, and so on.

Tech life has definitely changed since the 60s.
 

Craig234

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I've long noticed the same thing. In the 60's, there was a real sense of mankind progressing. TV shows reflected this - you had Star Trek inventing warp drive for space flight in the 1990's, you had Space:1999 soon after, and many other such examples as the society thought amazing progress was coming, cures, end to hunger, commuting in a flying car, whatever.

In the modern (Republican) era from Nixon to now, that's all changed; now you tend to see almost the same sorts of society we have now decades in the future in movies and shows, only a bit grimier and crowded much of the time. Gone is the sense of society's overall progress.

I think that those differences illustrate not anything precise about science, but a real situation. Consider the huge challenges of putting a man on the moon starting in 1961 - incredible technology needing to be invented, incredible costs, and yet the democrats Kennedy and Johnson got it done, as JFK said by the end of the decade. What do we have now? Lame 'government can't do anything right' culture.

Don't get me wrong - the private sector was essential to the progress then. It's not the government doing it, as with the moon mission, but the government policies leading the nation for the private sector to do great things. The government doesn't really 'lead' any more at all, in the sense it did from FDR to LBJ, it just sort of uses the hollow words about how great the nation is and shifts some dollars around.

Most Americans did not ever experience government and society before Nixon, and can only really learn the differences from books, films, etc. Who's one guy who had a bit of that spirit of leadership? Well, Al Gore had the government play a leading role in the creation of the internet, for the use of the private sector - cited earlier in the thread as the main modern development.

It's sad to see the petty attitudes now, the spoon-fed propaganda of the right. It's not about 'big government'; big government can be very evil (see the major communist nations, see the evil fascist nations); it can be bloated and wasteful. The government under 'activist liberal' JFK was a fraction of its size from Reagan on. It's about the government providing some leadership, about having a healthy democracy.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Most of my students, mainly the 5th - 8th graders take all the technology they have for granted. So I have made it a point to include as much computer history in my computer lab as possible. I also make use of 20 - 30 year old dinosaurs (computers and parts) as visual aides. Most are literally astonished that we didn't always have 3d video games and the internet and that it has become big within their lifetimes.
One of my professors will often talk about "the bad old days" of CAD software. He said that the first time he and his colleagues saw 3D solid modeling software demo'd to them, "it was like, the absolute greatest thing we'd ever seen." Another professor talks about ANSYS, back before it was 3D, or even 2D, when it was just commandlines and text, and how you'd have to let it do any analysis overnight.
Now we have 3D modeling software that can handle various physical interactions, that can do curves reasonably well, and which is run on hardware so very much faster than anything available 20 years ago. Last semester, my electronics professor talked about early cellphones, the enormous things, complete with the extendable antenna.



Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a particle accelerator and hadron collider located at CERN, near Geneva, Switzerland ( [show location on an interactive map] 46°14'N, 6°03'E). Currently under construction, the LHC is scheduled to begin operation in May 2008.[1][2] The LHC is expected to become the world's largest and highest-energy particle accelerator.[3] The LHC is being funded and built in collaboration with over two thousand physicists from thirty-four countries as well as hundreds of universities and laboratories. When activated, it is theorized that the collider will produce the elusive Higgs boson, the observation of which could confirm the predictions and 'missing links' in the Standard Model of physics and could explain how other elementary particles acquire properties such as mass.[4][3] The verification of the existence of the Higgs boson would be a significant step in the search for a Grand Unified Theory, which seeks to unify three of the four fundamental forces: electromagnetism, the strong force, and the weak force. The Higgs boson may also help to explain why the remaining force, gravitation, is so weak compared to the other three forces. In addition to the Higgs boson, other theorized novel particles that might be produced, and for which searches[5] are planned, include strangelets, micro black holes, magnetic monopoles and supersymmetric particles[6].

The collider is contained in a circular tunnel with a circumference of 26.659 kilometres (16.5 miles), at a depth ranging from 50 to 175 metres underground


They don't actually know what is going to happen, just theories like when they detonated the first atomic bomb. If it all works and nothing happens then everything we know about physics is wrong.


-edit- looking back on the OP, i see this is not quite what he meant. But still very neat.
I do love seeing stuff like this. Big projects just for the sake of learning about the Universe. I wish I could see hundreds of years into the future, to see, and quantify, just how little we still know right now. And then forward a few thousand years, to see how little was known in the previous instance of the future. We've come so far so quickly, yet we've only scratched the surface of the cover of the book which shows have far we have to go.


Originally posted by: Rainsford
The problem with technology prediction is that people aren't very imaginative. They have trouble imagining truly new ideas, so instead they basically take existing ideas and try to "futureize" them. This results in expectations of "advances" like flying cars, while far more useful things like the Internet come out of nowhere and transform society in ways that the predictions would not. People are disappointed because they are looking for advancements in the wrong place. But if they really thought about it, I don't think they'd be so disappointed. I mean think about it, we've gone from basically doing everything with paper and pencil to having a practically unlimited capability to store and process information. That is an astounding advancement in the last few decades, next to that flying cars are mundane elements of mediocre science fiction.
It's also a matter of what the public is willing to accept, or what the public can accept. If someone did invent a flying car tomorrow that could be built for $200, and ran on plain gasoline, what would happen? There'd probably be a rash of fatal accidents, and meanwhile the airlines would either just turn tail and shut down, or else sue someone to try to stay afloat somehow. Acts of terrorism (or just vandalism) would suddenly be much easier, as anyone could fly anywhere easily and cheaply. Would the world be ready for it?
The "smart cars" are another example, at least in the US. Though most of them don't have the mileage they really should (they're tiny, and light, why do some of them have the mileage of a 4-door sedan?), it's a fine concept: a small, enclosed vehicle to transport a person to and from work. Too often they get laughed at for their appearance. Let's say they'd get 100mpg. They'd still get laughed at for how they look, regardless of their efficiency.
Or, using a sillier example, painting your car hot pink will increase its mileage to 100mpg. How many men would do it?

Technology influences where society goes, and society influences where technology goes. Try to maintain the status quo, and that's just what you'll get - more of the same. Push the status quo too much, and you'll get opposition from those who oppose change.
 

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
There are a lot of things that have occurred since then in the realm of technology. I think the problem lies in that people are dissatisfied with the progress we've made in areas that we should have moved beyond by now. Take the flying cars thing. A car from the 60's isn't all that different mechanically from what was used in the 80's generally. Sure, fuel injection and other safety features were added, but this was incremental and barely noticed at the time. What people would've expected for a "leap" in technology would be widespread, increased capability EVs that would outperform their ICE-powered counterparts. People dont' see improvements on existing technology as the type of innovation of the scale of the Apollo program.

When we get away from the ICE for transportation, or move to a viable fusion or renewable based technology for most of our grid generation, then most people would really say "wow". Either we get the "wow" factor over large-scale infrastructure innovations like these, or we end up taking them for granted.

As much as the ICE sucks, there is a reason why it has been around for so long. It is as simple as this: there really is nothing else out there right now that offers the cost for the given usable energy density. Just one gallon of gas can propel your car (which weighs thousands of pounds) at a reasonable speed for tens of miles.

There are other ways of tapping into even higher energy densities, but the processes for doing so are much more complex. With fossil fuels you simple add oxygen and ignite. ICEs seem expensive to operate but relative to everything else they are actually very cheap.
 

CycloWizard

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I can send you my dissertation in about 10 hours when I'm done writing it (all-nighters FTL). The sheer amount of work that has gone into my miniscule corner of research in the last ten years would blow your mind, and I'm working on something that I would bet you've never even heard of, yet it affects literally every human that lives to the age of 40. Of course, the knuckle-draggers running my e-mail server won't let me send it to you since it's well over 2 MB (by a factor of 60 or so :p), so you might have to come here and pick it up yourself. So much for progress, huh.
 

StageLeft

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People talk about the internet, but people you are forgetting about the internetS as well.
 

MadRat

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
I can send you my dissertation in about 10 hours when I'm done writing it (all-nighters FTL). The sheer amount of work that has gone into my miniscule corner of research in the last ten years would blow your mind, and I'm working on something that I would bet you've never even heard of, yet it affects literally every human that lives to the age of 40. Of course, the knuckle-draggers running my e-mail server won't let me send it to you since it's well over 2 MB (by a factor of 60 or so :p), so you might have to come here and pick it up yourself. So much for progress, huh.

Yahoo!Mail and GMail both can handle it.
 

piasabird

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July 20 1969 was a long time ago????? I would have been like 12 years old and I am 50 now. Every innovation I can remember has been since that time. Even the touch tone phone was introduced after that time. 2009 will be the 40th anniversery of the event, if it actually happened.

Microwave
Steel Radial Tires
Cell Phone
Fax Machine
Cat Scan
MRI
Sonnograms
Hubble Telescope

The Internet was developed by DAARPA from around the time that Roosevelt started pushing technology.

You might read:

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Wi...&qid=1205242558&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Accident...554/ref=pd_sim_b_img_5

In 1969 Arpanet was up and running in at least the development stages of the Internet with 3 separate links. So right around the time of the First Moon Landing the work was already in full swing to establish Arpanet. Arpanet would later give birth to the Internet. "Where Wizards Stay Up Late - Origins of the Internet" is probably the best book about the development of the Internet, because it is written in a way that is entertaining and also technical enough for anyone to read and understand.

ARPANET
Main article: ARPANET

Len Kleinrock and the first IMP.[4]Promoted to the head of the information processing office at DARPA, Robert Taylor intended to realize Licklider's ideas of an interconnected networking system. Bringing in Larry Roberts from MIT, he initiated a project to build such a network. The first ARPANET link was established between the University of California, Los Angeles and the Stanford Research Institute on 29 November 1969. By 5 December 1969, a 4-node network was connected by adding the University of Utah and the University of California, Santa Barbara. Building on ideas developed in ALOHAnet, the ARPANET grew rapidly. By 1981, the number of hosts had grown to 213, with a new host being added approximately every twenty days.[5][6]

ARPANET became the technical core of what would become the Internet, and a primary tool in developing the technologies used. ARPANET development was centered around the Request for Comments (RFC) process, still used today for proposing and distributing Internet Protocols and Systems. RFC 1, entitled "Host Software", was written by Steve Crocker from the University of California, Los Angeles, and published on April 7, 1969. These early years were documented in the 1972 film Computer Networks: The Heralds of Resource Sharing.

International collaborations on ARPANET were sparse. For various political reasons, European developers were concerned with developing the X.25 networks. Notable exceptions were the Norwegian Seismic Array (NORSAR) in 1972, followed in 1973 by Sweden with satellite links to the Tanum Earth Station and University College London.


The Personal Computer??

Satelite Location Devices?

 

heyheybooboo

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Life in 1968
(the moon landing happened in July, 1969, but the first time we actually 'visited' the moon was in December, 1968, and if you weren't around back then you can never imagine the impact Apollo 8 had with the Christmas Eve broadcast from the Moon.)

Rotary phones
single pane glass
window air conditioners
smudge pots
ten-a-rotor antennas
4 tv channels (if you were lucky)
vibrating football games
8-track tapes
Denny MaClain won 30 games
Nixon's Comin'
"The whole world is watching!"
AM Radio
push button car radios
Rock em Sock em Robots
Mouse Trap
Operation
slot cars
Polaroid camera instant film
$5 four-finger Lids
radial tires

And don't get me started on cars - my first was a 1962 Beetle - the windshield washer worked off a rubber hose connected to the spare tire in the front compartment :p

You could pump up the air pressure in the spare tire and by rotating the washer nozzle 90 degrees shoot a stream of water 30 feet perpendicular to the Beetle. HA!
 

Vic

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I can't even believe this thread, much less some of the responses.

In 1969, your family's home probably didn't have a color TV (and either way, it was probably no bigger than 19"), and almost certainly didn't have a smoke alarm.
The family phone was likely rotary dial and it had to be leased from the phone monopoly. You couldn't own your own.
If there was an emergency, you dialed the operator. 911 hadn't been implemented yet.
The family car had drum brakes, a carburetor, no catalytic converter, probably no seat belts (unless it was brand new or nearly so, in which case the belts were so poorly designed and hard to use that most people never wore them anyway, forget about airbags), bias-ply tires, and burned leaded gas at the rate of worse than 10 mpg. Let's not even discuss its horrific reliability and safety standards. You were lucky if it even started on a cold morning, and in a frontal crash the metal glove box door would probably eviscerate you (don't laugh, it was a leading cause of traffic fatalities in those days).
Cell phones were still Star Trek-level sci-fi. As were personal computers and microwave ovens.
You were lucky if your TV could get reception on more than 3 channels. And you never got more than 6. Remote control? Let's be serious.
If you wanted to watch a movie, you had to actually go to the movies. Schools had reel-to-reel film projectors.
Music was on vinyl records, 8-track, reel-to-reel, and AM radio only. Stereo was a luxury. But at least you no longer had to wait for the tubes to warm up like your father did.
Your house had single-pane windows and no insulation.
Your boss and co-workers smoked at their desks. That is, if you were lucky enough to have a desk. More likely, you worked on some factory production line.
And so forth.
Let's not even discuss the incredible advances in medicine and health care.
 

JeepinEd

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The commercialization of the Integrated Circuit.
Try having a laptop running on Vacuum tubes.

The invention of the microprocessor.

 

Thump553

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Life in 1968
(the moon landing happened in July, 1969, but the first time we actually 'visited' the moon was in December, 1968, and if you weren't around back then you can never imagine the impact Apollo 8 had with the Christmas Eve broadcast from the Moon.)

Rotary phones
single pane glass
window air conditioners
smudge pots
ten-a-rotor antennas
4 tv channels (if you were lucky)
vibrating football games
8-track tapes
Denny MaClain won 30 games
Nixon's Comin'
"The whole world is watching!"
AM Radio
push button car radios
Rock em Sock em Robots
Mouse Trap
Operation
slot cars
Polaroid camera instant film
$5 four-finger Lids
radial tires

And don't get me started on cars - my first was a 1962 Beetle - the windshield washer worked off a rubber hose connected to the spare tire in the front compartment :p

You could pump up the air pressure in the spare tire and by rotating the washer nozzle 90 degrees shoot a stream of water 30 feet perpendicular to the Beetle. HA!


<--proud to have never owned an eight track tape or player in my entire life. From riding with friends, those things seemed to eat every other tape that was put in them.

$5 four-finger lids? Not on the East Coast, more like $8 for 3 fat fingers.

It's obvious the original poster has no clue what things were like in the 60's.
 
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It's also obvious some people didn't read the original poster's original post either. Better versions of crap we already had in the 60's is not what this thread is about. Improving on existing technology is a given, I'm talking about game-changing innovation here.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
It's also obvious some people didn't read the original poster's original post either. Better versions of crap we already had in the 60's is not what this thread is about. Improving on existing technology is a given, I'm talking about game-changing innovation here.

You've been given about half a dozen examples?
 
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
It's also obvious some people didn't read the original poster's original post either. Better versions of crap we already had in the 60's is not what this thread is about. Improving on existing technology is a given, I'm talking about game-changing innovation here.

You've been given about half a dozen examples?

How many of the things listed are as innovative or revolutionary to the average person as deciding whether or not to have a baby by popping a pill? Or having a library of nearly all human knowlege and massive information storage at your finger tips? Or even using radio waves to cook your pre-made dinner in seconds? Look, I'm glad we have the things we have today. All those convienence gizmo's are nice to have. And medical advancements are helping keep people alive longer. But the very same things that were killing people in the 60's are still killing them today. And all those convenience devices are just that, for convienence. Basically now, just like then, we wake up from our alarm clocks, drive our cars to work, watch TV when we get home, use our lawnmowers on the weekend, etc. The only real difference is now we check our e-mail while our dinner is in the microwave. I just think we should be further along than we are nearly 40 years after having made it to the moon.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
It's also obvious some people didn't read the original poster's original post either. Better versions of crap we already had in the 60's is not what this thread is about. Improving on existing technology is a given, I'm talking about game-changing innovation here.

You've been given about half a dozen examples?

How many of the things listed are as innovative or revolutionary to the average person as deciding whether or not to have a baby by popping a pill? Or having a library of nearly all human knowlege and massive information storage at your finger tips? Or even using radio waves to cook your pre-made dinner in seconds? Look, I'm glad we have the things we have today. All those convienence gizmo's are nice to have. And medical advancements are helping keep people alive longer. But the very same things that were killing people in the 60's are still killing them today. And all those convenience devices are just that, for convienence. Basically now, just like then, we wake up from our alarm clocks, drive our cars to work, watch TV when we get home, use our lawnmowers on the weekend, etc. The only real difference is now we check our e-mail while our dinner is in the microwave. I just think we should be further along than we are nearly 40 years after having made it to the moon.

Did you mention the internet initially? I don't think you did, and your OP is edited. Anyways, in addition to that we have cell phones for one. Having the ability to (for the most part) go anywhere in the civilized world and contact any other person on the planet with a few keystrokes is flat out amazing. The entire way people plan their day, the way they interact with one another has been fundamentally changed by this sort of immediate access. It's not convenience, at this point this sort of instantaneous communication is becoming necessary for businesses to effectively function.

The personal computer is a total game changer, even without the internet. It has allowed, through software, the emulation or replacement of legions of other devices. Cell phones and PCs, both developed after the moon landings, have had far more effect on the average person's life then being able to cook dinner 20 minutes faster.