Tech support nightmares

swbsam

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Here's mine:

My 6 month old iMac was crashing and booting randomly for a week straight. I tried reinstalling os X a few times yet, again, the computer would just crash. It got so bad that, sometimes, on reboot the hard drive wasn't detected at all.

I figured it was obvious, the hard drive needed to be replaced. I took it in for a repair and the "genius" reinstalled os x and told me that the problem was fixed. I assured him that I had already tried that and that the hard drive fails after subsequent reboots. He told me that, since the problem couldn't be replicated he could not replace the hard drive or provide any further assistance.

I overhead this happen to 3 other people that day, 3 people who walked out of the apple store pissed - "if we can't replicate it we can't fix it!"

The apple store guy told me that there's nothing more to be done, but I insisted that they hold my computer overnight, taking their time to run diagnostic tests on it. He assured me that it wouldn't help, that the hard drive is functioning fine, but agreed - just to humor me, I suppose.

The next day I called in the check up on it and, you guessed it - the hard drive needed to be replaced.

My question is - what if I, like the other people, walked out and didn't insist for more thorough testing? Shouldn't there be an official protocol, something more elaborate than "let's see if the os installs?"
 

ViviTheMage

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imac...hahaha...should have figured it was a sign to get a PC :)

Dealerships are the same way with cars, if you have an intermittent problem,and it cannot be replicated, they do nothing.
 

swbsam

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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
imac...hahaha...should have figured it was a sign to get a PC :)

Dealerships are the same way with cars, if you have an intermittent problem,and it cannot be replicated, they do nothing.

shhh. don't tell anyone - I use xp on it most of the time..

..But I need it for final cut pro
 

Pacemaker

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SHENS according to the apple adds (and most of their fanboys) Macs don't crash, they just work.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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In the early years, I had a new IBM PS/2 with a 20 megabyte hdd (BIG BUCKS). You had to take it to an IBM authorized dealer to have any work done within warranty. I started having BSODS and read errors and took it in. They said bad hdd and replaced it. Two months later, same problem and same fix. Three months later and out of warranty, the problems came back. I took it in and demanded they test all the components. Turns out it had a bad PSU and the hdd was fine but, because of all the testing they had done, I was presented with a bill for $600. I told them to keep the computer.
 

swbsam

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Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
In the early years, I had a new IBM PS/2 with a 20 megabyte hdd (BIG BUCKS). You had to take it to an IBM authorized dealer to have any work done within warranty. I started having BSODS and read errors and took it in. They said bad hdd and replaced it. Two months later, same problem and same fix. Three months later and out of warranty, the problems came back. I took it in and demanded they test all the components. Turns out it had a bad PSU and the hdd was fine but, because of all the testing they had done, I was presented with a bill for $600. I told them to keep the computer.

That's similar to what happened to my Wii.

I called in a repair for garbled video output. Nintendo repaired the unit and, guess what - garbled video output (I changed the video cables to be sure). I call them, furious, and they agree to sent a replacement unit. Plug in the replacement unit. Garbled video output!

I have a new ac adapter on the way, and hope that resolves the issue. Either way, this wasn't even thought of as a possibility by Nintendo techs, even after me asking them if I should replace the ac adapter.
 

Farang

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I just ran into one the other day on a chat support. My wireless stopped working on my laptop. The guy takes ages to give instructions and when he does it is preceded by him asking if he can give me instructions, him asking if I am still there, and him thanking me or apologizing for no reason. For example.. 'Next we will download the drivers for your wireless card. May I give you the link to download the drivers?' I mean what the fuck am I going to say, 'No, I didn't come here to get me problem fixed.'

In the amount of time it took him to get me doing the basic troubleshooting (which I'd already done but knew he wouldn't skip, as a former tech support person myself) I had found out that my model laptop had a problem wit fault network cards and they had extended the warranty 24 months to cover it. Unfortunately this problem didn't really matter to me until recently, just over 24 months after I bought it. I suppose I could call HP and bitch and them and get it fixed but I can't really go without my laptop for a week or more to send it in.
 

nboy22

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Here's my tech support nightmare. I work and tech support and a guy called me today to have me help him fix his DSL. I started asking all the probing questions that help me get down to the issue and I asked him what he sees on his screen.
"oh nothing it's black."
Me: "Ok sir can you turn the computer on."
Him: "How do you do that?"
Me: "On the front of the computer tower there should be a power button."

/me facepalm
 

swbsam

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Originally posted by: nboy22
Here's my tech support nightmare. I work and tech support and a guy called me today to have me help him fix his DSL. I started asking all the probing questions that help me get down to the issue and I asked him what he sees on his screen.
"oh nothing it's black."
Me: "Ok sir can you turn the computer on."
Him: "How do you do that?"
Me: "On the front of the computer tower there should be a power button."

/me facepalm

OK, inside information - perfect!

I find dealing with tech support frustrating because they always assume that I'm an idiot (because most people are - or at least ignorant). What's a quick way to quit the b.s. and get righ to the point? For example, with the iMac, they had me try so many obvious and silly things when I *knew* the issue was a broken hard drive. How should I have approached this, to avoid "is your unit plugged in?" Or "have you tried restarting your computer?"
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: swbsam
Originally posted by: nboy22
Here's my tech support nightmare. I work and tech support and a guy called me today to have me help him fix his DSL. I started asking all the probing questions that help me get down to the issue and I asked him what he sees on his screen.
"oh nothing it's black."
Me: "Ok sir can you turn the computer on."
Him: "How do you do that?"
Me: "On the front of the computer tower there should be a power button."

/me facepalm

OK, inside information - perfect!

I find dealing with tech support frustrating because they always assume that I'm an idiot (because most people are - or at least ignorant). What's a quick way to quit the b.s. and get righ to the point? For example, with the iMac, they had me try so many obvious and silly things when I *knew* the issue was a broken hard drive. How should I have approached this, to avoid "is your unit plugged in?" Or "have you tried restarting your computer?"

You can't get around that. 99% of people who say they know what they're doing don't. It is just like if a random person came up to you with a tech problem and said they'd done this or that already, I don't know that person so I'm going to do my own troubleshooting to narrow down the problem.
 

nboy22

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Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: swbsam
Originally posted by: nboy22
Here's my tech support nightmare. I work and tech support and a guy called me today to have me help him fix his DSL. I started asking all the probing questions that help me get down to the issue and I asked him what he sees on his screen.
"oh nothing it's black."
Me: "Ok sir can you turn the computer on."
Him: "How do you do that?"
Me: "On the front of the computer tower there should be a power button."

/me facepalm

OK, inside information - perfect!

I find dealing with tech support frustrating because they always assume that I'm an idiot (because most people are - or at least ignorant). What's a quick way to quit the b.s. and get righ to the point? For example, with the iMac, they had me try so many obvious and silly things when I *knew* the issue was a broken hard drive. How should I have approached this, to avoid "is your unit plugged in?" Or "have you tried restarting your computer?"

You can't get around that. 99% of people who say they know what they're doing don't. It is just like if a random person came up to you with a tech problem and said they'd done this or that already, I don't know that person so I'm going to do my own troubleshooting to narrow down the problem.

We are trained to act like everyone is a moron.. and that's how it goes. HOWEVER, the things you're talking about are scripted things that the agent is OBLIGATED to do. If they do not do it they could lose their job. For instance, If I send a DSL technician out without verifying how things are plugged in I could lose my job over it.
 
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Originally posted by: nboy22
Here's my tech support nightmare. I work and tech support and a guy called me today to have me help him fix his DSL. I started asking all the probing questions that help me get down to the issue and I asked him what he sees on his screen.
"oh nothing it's black."
Me: "Ok sir can you turn the computer on."
Him: "How do you do that?"
Me: "On the front of the computer tower there should be a power button."

/me facepalm

shens
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: nboy22
Here's my tech support nightmare. I work and tech support and a guy called me today to have me help him fix his DSL. I started asking all the probing questions that help me get down to the issue and I asked him what he sees on his screen.
"oh nothing it's black."
Me: "Ok sir can you turn the computer on."
Him: "How do you do that?"
Me: "On the front of the computer tower there should be a power button."

/me facepalm

shens

Not shens.. I'm actually surprised he doesn't have a better story to come up with.
 

Tsaico

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Well, since i am usually on the other side of this conversation, let me stick up for my fellow techs. I often hear that "everytime I do [fill in the blank] this happens.". Then the problem doesn't appear when I ask them to show it. So when you say "every time" you mean every time, but the last four times we tried to get it do the whatever problem.

In your particular case, it is a lazy tech who didn't really want to test the machine, and you are warranted to be mad at them. It also sounds like this is the habit of the tech team over there, so that certaintly doesn't help.

But from a tech's perspective, many things can cause the problem you are describing. Sometimes they are just random events that can happen because of a whole slew of problems or a combination of them. By reproducing a problem, it helps us find the issue by actually seeing the problem. There are often error codes that can help track things down. We hear a lot of things and it tends to make us a little jaded.

Such as-

person -"My computer is acting funny come help."
me -"when you say funny, what do you mean?"
person - "it's just funny, it isn't right, why can't you just get over here?"
me - "well, because funny might mean a lot of different things, maybe it shuts off suddenly, maybe it has windows that pop up all over the place, maybe it tells you a joke, and some of these may require different tools or solutions."
person - "just get over here and fix it"

-or-
person - "I got an error message"
me - "what did it say?"
person - "I don't know I just clicked ok and now it is gone"
me - "can you make it happen again?"
person "no, it is working fine now, but I need you to check it out while I go to lunch"

So while there are many bad and lazy techs out there, please remember, there are many bad customers and clients out there too. We both add to the nightmare tech support call.
 

nboy22

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Originally posted by: Farang
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: nboy22
Here's my tech support nightmare. I work and tech support and a guy called me today to have me help him fix his DSL. I started asking all the probing questions that help me get down to the issue and I asked him what he sees on his screen.
"oh nothing it's black."
Me: "Ok sir can you turn the computer on."
Him: "How do you do that?"
Me: "On the front of the computer tower there should be a power button."

/me facepalm

shens

Not shens.. I'm actually surprised he doesn't have a better story to come up with.

I have more.. ohhhh so many more.. I've been working in call centers for a year and a half.. The first one was the warranty for wireless handsets with AT&T.. I had one lady come on the phone:

me: Hi there this is Brandon, can I get your Cell phone number associated with your account.
Her: I'M NOT GIVING YOU ANY FUCKING NUMBERS I AM SO TIRED OF THIS SHIT.
me: But ma'am, we need the number to see what kind of phone you have
Her: GOD DAMMIT I'M NOT GIVING YOU ANY NUMBERS *CLICK*

Yeah.. that was very productive.

I had another lady when I first started the DSL job who didn't even know how to sign into windows. There's a shit ton of people that can't even find out how to type into boxes.
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: Tsaico

person -"My computer is acting funny come help."
me -"when you say funny, what do you mean?"
person - "it's just funny, it isn't right, why can't you just get over here?"
me - "well, because funny might mean a lot of different things. . . maybe it tells you a joke,

lawlz

 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: nboy22
Here's my tech support nightmare. I work and tech support and a guy called me today to have me help him fix his DSL. I started asking all the probing questions that help me get down to the issue and I asked him what he sees on his screen.
"oh nothing it's black."
Me: "Ok sir can you turn the computer on."
Him: "How do you do that?"
Me: "On the front of the computer tower there should be a power button."

/me facepalm

Could be worse. I've had this one when I used to do support:

Me: Okay, let's go ahead and shut off the computer; hold down the power button until the computer turns off completely.
Her: Okay, it's off.
Me: Alright, powered off completely?
Her: Yes.
Me: Let's go ahead and power it on again; it will probably take a few minutes to boot so let me know...
Her: Okay it's back.
Me: Back? Already? That was quick.
Her: Yes, it's back right where I left it.
Me: Okay...? Go ahead and log in...
Her: It's already at the screen (desktop).
Me: Really... ma'am, can you tell me did you use the power button on the computer or the monitor?
Her: There's only one: on the monitor.
Me: *sigh* There should be one on the computer "tower"...
Her: Really? Oh wait, I see it...

/facepalm
 

theblackbox

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when i did support, i was talking to this lady who was trying to find a backup she had made of her accounting, so she could send it in to me for database repair. I told her to open My Computer. She replied she wasn't on My Computer.

My favorite was by far after we started remoting in to customers, and one of the supervisors was working in Crystal and asked me to come look at what he had on the screen. I came over and noticed the background on the desktop had a picture of three lovely young women. Since the software allowed you to write and highlight on the screen, i turned it on ands circled the prettiest one. The supervisor was on the phone with her when i did this, and he turned red when she said something like, yeah, she is hot, isn't she. Not a nightmare for her or me, but he sure had a hard time stammering through the rest of the call.

Oh, and last but not least, there is a yarn store in NJ that is run by this really old guy that has 1 arm, 1 ear, and a few other onsies and would call in and tell us blonde jokes when he wasn't yelling at everyone. I was on with him one day when he told me he had to put down the phone to yell at someone since he couldn't use his hand or hear when he was on the phone. he sat down the phone and started cussing someone out. it was a freaking yarn shop...
in the end we offered to buy him a competitiors software and support plan, and convert his data, as he had made several of our CS workers cry.