[ Tech Spot ] The Crew Benchmarked: Graphics & CPU Performance

[skipsneeky2]

TXAA tanks my FPS by 20 when I try it over MSAA in this game.

Damn, i guess it has changed a bit since i last checked on it.I thought it was a bit less demanding then MSAA.Had no idea how much or what it took to match MSAA at a given level.

Perhaps i could try and drag my 770 down with 4x DSR then enable 4x TXAA and run it alongside the 8x MSAA i use in BO2 to check for myself. I heard newer drivers improved on TXAA but most threads are years old.

TXAA is the most foreign thing i know of right now.

 

[Makaveli]

These numbers look good I should be able to play at 1200p with 2x Msaa and still get 60fps on my rig. Or just go to FXAA if I need more fps while still having everything max. I'm happy.

 

[TheUnk]

These numbers look good I should be able to play at 1200p with 2x Msaa and still get 60fps on my rig. Or just go to FXAA if I need more fps while still having everything max. I'm happy.

For me the game has FXAA, 4xMSAA, 4xTXAA, and 8xMSAA. No 2x. Anyone know if you can force it from the driver?

 

[Makaveli]

For me the game has FXAA, 4xMSAA, 4xTXAA, and 8xMSAA. No 2x. Anyone know if you can force it from the driver?

ahh then I guess I will be playing with FXAA only which is fine for me.

I'd rather have FXAA and everything else maxed then 4xmsaa and having to play with settings and still being below 60fps.

 

[ocre]

I think exactly what we are seeing is nvidia laying off Kepler optimizations in new games to push Maxwell sales on existing Kepler owners. If you look at the performance hierarchy in games prior to Maxwell's release between Kepler cards, Maxwell cards and Radeons - 980>780ti>970=Titan>290X>290 it is not the same as what you see in games that have been released since Maxwell came out.

Also, if you go go back and check graphics rich, high tech games that released prior to Maxwell, such as BF4, Crysis 3, Metro LL etc - the performance hierarchy is consistent with what we saw at Maxwell's launch as I laid out earlier. I am seeing this comparing a 970 to one of my 780ti cards. So, we're not seeing across the board Maxwell optimizations, but better optimization in recent games. Also worth noting the games that are showing this most strongly, Far Cry 4, AC: Unity & The Crew, are all Gameworks titles where nvidia can much more easily manipulate performance on their cards and AMD's with their closed Gameworks libraries.

Not really surprising, but not worth biting on still even with driver performance optimization games being played. Release the real high end card in GM210. My guess is partly they are not seeing the usual adoption from 780ti/Titan buyers you normally see with a new flagship launch because the performance improvement between those cards and 980 was pathetic at launch. So forgo Kepler optimizations in games as they release which will show up in review benchmarks to try and push those sales is a good strategy.

In this thread, there are multiple charts from various sources that completely contradict you conspiracy theory. There are multiple reviews linked that have kepler cards pretty much exactly where they fit in the stack for years now. You ignored every single one (you had to) and make such bold proclamations. Your zoomed in on one single chart from tech spot and case closed.....
Guess thats all that is needed for a conspiracy theory.

I know your mind is set but I think it wouldnt hurt to analyze the Crew benchmarks a little more in depth here.......

For the Crew there are multiple sites, multiple charts, multiple sources-all showing enormous contradiction to your declaration.

I am not saying that some newer games havent showed poor performance with kepler cards, there are some. But there is plenty of data out showing the crew isnt one

 

[exar333]

It's now a known fact that Kepler tanks in modern games. If this was a one-off scenario, sure it could be understandable but this trend is seen in 5-6 Big games released in the last 6 months. It should be a good lesson for NV owners to not overspend with hopes of futureproofing. The best strategy has and will continue to be upgrading more often. Obviously there is some allure with knowing you have flagship performance for X number of months but when all is said and done the extra money spent on 285/580/680/780Ti/Titan over 2nd best card is wasted $. Historical data backs this up as well as NV cards being the first to run into VRAM bottlenecks unless you splurge $100 extra for their rip-off double VRAM versions.

However, despite how overpriced 780/780Ti were, 980 easily sets the record for the most overpriced next gen card with the least amount of performance over last gen. EVGA classified 980 for $699 is jokes. Hopefully NV gets their Kepler drivers in order for 2015. Also, I am personally looking to true next gen PC games in 2015 as FC4, AC Unity, DAI, The Crew, COD:AW all disappointed technically.

This is absolutely what we are seeing.

It would be nice for a well-connected site to dive into this and find out more on why this is happening. Either NV has stopped almost all work to optimize for Kepler or they are intentionally handicapping Kepler to make Maxwell look better. Neither is good, but hopefully it is just a 'passive' handicap.

This is exactly why I upgrade more often, with the just-under halo product.

AMD should be commended for their continued driver support for past-gen cards. It definitely gives you some confidence if you are buying for a longer-term use case.

 

[Spjut]

AMD should be commended for their continued driver support for past-gen cards. It definitely gives you some confidence if you are buying for a longer-term use case.

But that's most likely because the GCN 1.0 and 1.1 architecture still are so similar that the improvements are viable for both lineups. Likewise, many of Nvidia's performance drivers for Kepler also benefited Fermi.

Since the HD 7000 series was released, AMD's earlier architectures seem to have been limited to bug fixes. The HD 2000-4000 series were also moved to legacy support already in 2012.

 

[Grooveriding]

In this thread, there are multiple charts from various sources that completely contradict you conspiracy theory. There are multiple reviews linked that have kepler cards pretty much exactly where they fit in the stack for years now. You ignored every single one (you had to) and make such bold proclamations. Your zoomed in on one single chart from tech spot and case closed.....
Guess thats all that is needed for a conspiracy theory.

I know your mind is set but I think it wouldnt hurt to analyze the Crew benchmarks a little more in depth here.......

For the Crew there are multiple sites, multiple charts, multiple sources-all showing enormous contradiction to your declaration.

I am not saying that some newer games havent showed poor performance with kepler cards, there are some. But there is plenty of data out showing the crew isnt one

Relax. Look at all the games. My opinion was not confined just to The Crew, but The Crew as part of several games where this has been going on.

No conspiracy theory to it at all. Corporations don't have any ethics or morality, they'll do whatever they need to in order to make more money, and in this case not optimizing Kepler and going all in on Maxwell would make good sense to drive halo upgrades. Never has a new flagship looked so ridiculous as an upgrade against an old flagship as we've seen with 780ti to 980, so making the 980 look better with lack of optimizing Kepler makes good sense. Less than 10% of an improvement, until now, with some odd shenanigans going on in Gameworks titles showing gains that are not consistent with any other games out there.

There aren't any other good explanations for it. It's certainly not VRAM as lack of VRAM issues manifest as huge drops in minimum framerate when the buffer runs out.

Poor/no Kepler optimizations from nvidia for games seems the most likely explanation.

 

[tential]

Relax. Look at all the games. My opinion was not confined just to The Crew, but The Crew as part of several games where this has been going on.

No conspiracy theory to it at all. Corporations don't have any ethics or morality, they'll do whatever they need to in order to make more money, and in this case not optimizing Kepler and going all in on Maxwell would make good sense to drive halo upgrades. Never has a new flagship looked so ridiculous as an upgrade against an old flagship as we've seen with 780ti to 980, so making the 980 look better with lack of optimizing Kepler makes good sense. Less than 10% of an improvement, until now, with some odd shenanigans going on in Gameworks titles showing gains that are not consistent with any other games out there.

There aren't any other good explanations for it. It's certainly not VRAM as lack of VRAM issues manifest as huge drops in minimum framerate when the buffer runs out.

Poor/no Kepler optimizations from nvidia for games seems the most likely explanation.

Lol at talking bad about Nvidia and owning a GTX 780Ti SLI.
You do know nvidia will revoke your cool card forever and you'll never get to get the GTX 980Ti SLI right?
/sarcasm

Seriously, I'm surprised more Nvidia users aren't mad about this. If AMD had done this to the HD7000 users there would be riots (and more people pissed/laughing from Nvidia's die hard "fans"). Instead, it happens to Nvidia and so many users are willing to rollover and accept it.

 

[3DVagabond]

Lol at talking bad about Nvidia and owning a GTX 780Ti SLI.
You do know nvidia will revoke your cool card forever and you'll never get to get the GTX 980Ti SLI right?
/sarcasm

Seriously, I'm surprised more Nvidia users aren't mad about this. If AMD had done this to the HD7000 users there would be riots (and more people pissed/laughing from Nvidia's die hard "fans"). Instead, it happens to Nvidia and so many users are willing to rollover and accept it.

People were claiming AMD did it with DX to make Mantle look better. Even though AMD's overall DX performance relative to nVidia wasn't dropping. Now, it looks like they've actually made improvements to DX compared to nVidia, and you are right, people don't seem to be upset with nVidia at all. There are lots of Kepler cards still in nVidia's current lineup. They should support all cards they are still selling equally, you would think.

 

[SirPauly]

Imho,

nVidia added DSR with robust abilities to older Kepler and Fermi hardware that their customers could enjoy without buying their new Maxwell 2 hardware.

If nVidia only cared or maneuvering about just selling new GPU's -- they wouldn't of offered DSR to older hardware but why? Because new robust features to older hardware builds the brand and continue to have a loyal customer base.

On the performance differential: Very fair and great to see awareness on this and something to keep a keen eye on based on there a lot of Kepler gamers and still many Kepler sku's offered today. If this continues -- this may harm the brand and its loyal customer base.