Team Cracks Decades-Old Math Puzzle

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Team Cracks Decades-Old Math Puzzle
By Associated Press
2 hours ago


In a computer generated illustration supplied by the American ...
PALO ALTO, Calif. - An international team of mathematicians has cracked a 120-year-old puzzle that researchers say is so complicated that its handwritten solution would cover the island of Manhattan.

The 18-member group of mathematicians and computer scientists was convened by the American Institute of Mathematics in Palo Alto to map a theoretical object known as the "Lie group E8."

Lie (pronounced Lee) groups were invented by 19th-century Norwegian mathematician Sophus Lie in his study of symmetrical objects, especially spheres, and differential calculus.

The E8 group, which dates to 1887, is the most complicated Lie group, with 248 dimensions, and was long considered impossible to solve.

"To say what precisely it is is something even many mathematicians can't understand," said Jeffrey Adams, the project's leader and a math professor at the University of Maryland.

The problem's proof, announced Monday at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, took the researchers four years to find. It involves about 60 times as much data as the Human Genome Project.

When stored in highly compressed form on a computer hard drive, the solution takes up as much space as 45 days of continuous music in MP3 format.

"It's like a Mount Everest of mathematical structures they've climbed now," said Brian Conrey, director of the institute.

The calculation does not have any obvious practical applications but could help advance theoretical physics and geometry, researchers said.


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Miramonti

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Fortunately my gene pool origins didn't completely dominate the world or its certain we would never ever have gotten to see such a cool 3D rendering of this mind blowing calculation. :D
 

mobobuff

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They need this over in Highly Technical so they can explain it to me, because I don't get it.

Is it just a formula that describes this 248-dimensional object?
 
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Last summer they offered a class on lie algebra at my school. From what I've been told, nobody understood what the heck the teacher was talking about.
 

pray4mojo

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Originally posted by: chcarnage
The slow replacement of "Megabyte" by the new unit "MP3minute" countinues...

im glad i wasn't the only one baffled by the comparison to minutes of an mp3 song since the length of a song doesnt exactly tell me how much space it takes up...
 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: pray4mojo
Originally posted by: chcarnage
The slow replacement of "Megabyte" by the new unit "MP3minute" countinues...

im glad i wasn't the only one baffled by the comparison to minutes of an mp3 song since the length of a song doesnt exactly tell me how much space it takes up...

Making it easier for the lay reader. Like "covering Manhattan" wasn't the same thing... how big of writing... how big is the spacing... does it cover buildings...

"45 days worth of music" is more understandable/impressive to the lay reader than 74 GB. (Assuming each song has an average playtime of 3:30 and averages 4MB each). So that means the formula contains 74,000,000,000 characters (roughly, I used 1000 instead of 1024).
 
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wait, if its so complex to solve, not many understand it, and theyre the first to solve it

how do they know they are correct?
 

mobobuff

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
wait, if its so complex to solve, not many understand it, and theyre the first to solve it

how do they know they are correct?

Because they have a pretty spiral graph painting to prove it.

Don't question it.
 

Cattlegod

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
wait, if its so complex to solve, not many understand it, and theyre the first to solve it

how do they know they are correct?

Quick. Kill him.
 

McCarthy

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Years back I was at a diner one night and figured it out on the back of napkin. Unfortunately I was eating ribs.

 
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Originally posted by: mobobuff
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
wait, if its so complex to solve, not many understand it, and theyre the first to solve it

how do they know they are correct?

Because they have a pretty spiral graph painting to prove it.

Don't question it.

jus needs another team to come to same conclusion is all.
 

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Originally posted by: Random Variable
Last summer they offered a class on lie algebra at my school. From what I've been told, nobody understood what the heck the teacher was talking about.

Wow. This is in high school? I think lie algebra usually a graduate level subject. I've heard the term but I don't remember studying about it so I guess I never got to that level in college.
 

StormRider

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Originally posted by: Shawn
Originally posted by: pray4mojo
still no cure for cancer.

Exactly. What a waste of time!


Why is it a waste of time? There has been many instances where some mathematical subject that had no practical applications later turned out to have very many important practical applications.