Teaching Creationism As Science Now Banned In All UK Public Schools

[Paul98]

All that is true, but I have said this before, its the same thing with evolution. We have zero proof of the big bang. Science speculates a natural occurrence but there is no proof that it actually happened. Science speculates man evolved from a lower primate but to this day no proof that actually happened.

Evolution has nothing to do with the big bang, and their is lots of evidence of the big bang.

Why did I both responding you are just a troll who had no clue

 

[Darwin333]

Its all in how you define Creationism. If you say that the singularity that started everything was God, and then evolution happened after that, then they dont conflict per se.

Evolution does not incorporate God, because it does not see any evidence in a divine creator.

The problem arises when you go to the main view of people and Creationism. The popular belief of Creationism is that things were designed, and change very little, and that evolution did not create people.

The 2nd big issue is that Science is not supposed to speculate with out data. Creationism can never be tested, as you cant test the supernatural. The reason you cant test the supernatural, is because only the natural can be tested. You cant test the actions of beings, if the beings dont act.

IMHO the only thing that matters is that it doesn't comply with the following:

There simply are no experiments that can be performed to prove the existence of a supernatural being that created the universe. The nice thing about science is that it has these nice rules that aren't just arbitrarily made up. If you can not conduct successful and repeatable experimentation on your hypothesis it does not pass go, does not collect $200 and does not become a scientific theory.

 

[realibrad]

All that is true, but I have said this before, its the same thing with evolution. We have zero proof of the big bang. Science speculates a natural occurrence but there is no proof that it actually happened. Science speculates man evolved from a lower primate but to this day no proof that actually happened.

There is ample data that we see from both the "big bang" and evolution.

The problem is that people try and redefine what proof is. Evolution does not mean one day its a lower ape, and then it has a human baby. Evolution is a slow process and we see fossils that would fit between when we date other fossils.

As for the "big bang", all data points to a single singularity that everything appears to be expanding outward from. What that was we will likely never know, but there is data for that as well.

 

[realibrad]

IMHO the only thing that matters is that it doesn't comply with the following:

There simply are no experiments that can be performed to prove the existence of a supernatural being that created the universe. The nice thing about science is that it has these nice rules that aren't just arbitrarily made up. If you can not conduct successful and repeatable experimentation on your hypothesis it does not pass go, does not collect $200 and does not become a scientific theory.

We are in total agreement. That is why Creationism is not science and should not be taught in science class.

 

[Darwin333]

All that is true, but I have said this before, its the same thing with evolution. We have zero proof of the big bang. Science speculates a natural occurrence but there is no proof that it actually happened. Science speculates man evolved from a lower primate but to this day no proof that actually happened.

The big bang and evolution are completely different theories. As far as evolution goes:

We have actually experimented and observed evolution happening in labs and the results can (and have) be duplicated.

We know for a fact that man is a very new addition to earth life. The vast majority of life that has lived on this planet was extinct before the first human being ever came to be.

We know for a fact that more than one species of "humanoids" have inhabited the earth despite the fact that we are the only species that survived.

We have the fossil record which supports evolution.*

We have genetics and DNA that support evolution.

*A lot of people want to see the "missing link" but that isn't generally how evolution works. Evolution usually occurs by making very small changes that if beneficial get passed on to their offspring. It usually takes many generations for that small change to become common in the entire species. Then another change happens, and another and another. Rarely is evolution a giant leap forward, like a chimp giving birth to a fully evolved modern human. To be honest with you it will almost surely ALWAYS be the "Theory of Evolution" and not a scientific "law", especially concerning humans. We simply don't have the ability to experiment and test for millions of years that it took for evolution to evolve modern man from chimps.

With that said, we have more than enough evidence to conclude that man did in fact evolve from lower life forms. It's just not testable in the lab.

 

[Darwin333]

We are in total agreement. That is why Creationism is not science and should not be taught in science class.

Why do you suppose that we US citizens are generally so much more likely to be willfully ignorant than other first world countries? Even the Vatican has supported the Theory of Evolution for quite some time now but despite that we still have states trying to put Creationism in science classes.

 

[justoh]

Why do you suppose that we US citizens are generally so much more likely to be willfully ignorant than other first world countries? Even the Vatican has supported the Theory of Evolution for quite some time now but despite that we still have states trying to put Creationism in science classes.

It's useful. http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/leo_strauss'_philosophy_of_deception

"Many neoconservatives like Paul Wolfowitz are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses."

What would you do if you wanted to topple Saddam Hussein, but your intelligence agencies couldn't find the evidence to justify a war?

A follower of Leo Strauss may just hire the "right" kind of men to get the job done – people with the intellect, acuity, and, if necessary, the political commitment, polemical skills, and, above all, the imagination to find the evidence that career intelligence officers could not detect.

since you asked. Before you say, "but that doesn't explain why people are susceptible to the influence in the first place," strauss' influence in the US started a while ago.

 

[WelshBloke]

I have never understood the debate here. One does not discount the other. Both are theories and they don't contradict each other.

There isn't a debate.

Evolution is a valid scientific theory and creationism isn't.


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[Oldgamer]

We cant do that as a nation but we could with sates and by how much money the fed gives to them.

Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...K-public-schools/5631403128922/#ixzz35BWBikQj​

We need to do this in this country! Seriously and keep the damned religion fairy tales out of our schools.

 

[Moonbeam]

Like your mistaken belief that you make sense more often than occasionally? 😀

Right, you didn't like that but you didn't catch that I was showing you iyourself in the mirror.

 

[Thebobo]

Why do you suppose that we US citizens are generally so much more likely to be willfully ignorant than other first world countries? Even the Vatican has supported the Theory of Evolution for quite some time now but despite that we still have states trying to put Creationism in science classes.

Lot of it is growing up. Look at most public schools where its all about sports, being a Jock is cool and being a nerd is dangerous. Who does our young in society idolize jocks and shallow musicians that rarely add anything to society.
Ops tangent ...

 

[squarecut1]

Lot of it is growing up. Look at most public schools where its all about sports, being a Jock is cool and being a nerd is dangerous. Who does our young in society idolize jocks and shallow musicians that rarely add anything to society.
Ops tangent ...

There is no place on earth with more celebrity culture than USA. It is insane

 

[Zebo]

Persecuting Christians for their most cherished beliefs, huh?

Why, you're condemning millions to eternal hellfire & damnation because they'll never receive the Word of God!

It's an evil plot between Leftists & the Devil to enforce Sharia Law! It all started when they pushed God out of the classroom, brought Sex-ed in! The End Times are upon us!

You can bash Christians most of whom accept evolution. But really this was a reaction to Muslims who have been introducing strict creationism among other things in their schools.

school investigations alleged that students were being taught tenets of Islamic law, or Shariah, including creationism; girls and boys were segregated during physical education; radical preachers were leading assemblies; and non-Muslim teachers were denied promotions.

The report found that some school leaders have exposed children to radicalized messages and what it described as inappropriate teachings, such as creationism. Mr. Wilshaw, the head of Ofsted, cited one case of a school-subsidized trip to Saudi Arabia exclusively for Muslims.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-k-...chools-fostered-atmosphere-of-fear-1402330031
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-parents-import-creationism-into-schools.html

 

[justoh]

Right, you didn't like that but you didn't catch that I was showing you iyourself in the mirror.

You mean your almost constant inability to make sense, or even write a single sentence without error, is all part of a plot to show me my reflection?

 

[Retro Rob]

Hmm...no issue here with the banning of Creationism as science because it isn't.

This doesn't in and of itself say that one is superior to the other, its simply saying Creationism isn't science.

To me, its like saying that a Mustang isn't an SUV.

No offense taken.

 

[Thebobo]

Wow take a look at this map - its scary.

Map: Publicly Funded Schools That Are Allowed to Teach Creationism.
Thousands of schools in states across the country can use taxpayer money to cast doubt on basic science.

By Chris Kirk
A large, publicly funded charter school system in Texas is teaching creationism to its students, Zack Kopplin recently reported in Slate. Creationist teachers don’t even need to be sneaky about it—the Texas state science education standards, as well as recent laws in Louisiana and Tennessee, permit public school teachers to teach “alternatives” to evolution. Meanwhile, in Florida, Indiana, Ohio, Arizona, Washington, D.C., and elsewhere, taxpayer money is funding creationist private schools through state tuition voucher or scholarship programs. As the map below illustrates, creationism in schools isn’t restricted to schoolhouses in remote villages where the separation of church and state is considered less sacred. If you live in any of these states, there’s a good chance your tax money is helping to convince some hapless students that evolution (the basis of all modern biological science, supported by everything we know about geology, genetics, paleontology, and other fields) is some sort of highly contested scientific hypothesis as credible as “God did it.”

Map http://www.slate.com/articles/healt...ed_where_tax_money_supports_alternatives.html

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[Vic]

I have never understood the debate here. One does not discount the other. Both are theories and they don't contradict each other.

Creationism is not a theory. It's religious dogma.

 

[sportage]

I always say "how do they know???"
Maybe God said let there be man and man was then created from a tadpole into a frog into a dog into a m

 

[sportage]

I always say "how do they know???"
Maybe God said let there be man and man was then created from a tadpole into a frog into a dog into a monkey into an ape into the missing link and finally into man. How do we know the process when God creates?
Everything with creation doesn't need to be poof like some magic act in Las Vegas or the tv show bewitched where God twitches his nose.
Just maybe creation is evolution God speed.
Seven days man time doesn't necessarily mean God goes by the same clock.
Maybe evolution was how God worked this creation thing?
I mean... How do we know?

 

[MongGrel]

I say we do the same in this country. Creationism belongs in a theology class, not science.

+1

 

[Vic]

All that is true, but I have said this before, its the same thing with evolution. We have zero proof of the big bang. Science speculates a natural occurrence but there is no proof that it actually happened. Science speculates man evolved from a lower primate but to this day no proof that actually happened.

You've never heard of red shift or the cosmic microwave background?

 

[Vic]

I always say "how do they know???"
Maybe God said let there be man and man was then created from a tadpole into a frog into a dog into a monkey into an ape into the missing link and finally into man. How do we know the process when God creates?
Everything with creation doesn't need to be poof like some magic act in Las Vegas or the tv show bewitched where God twitches his nose.
Just maybe creation is evolution God speed.
Seven days man time doesn't necessarily mean God goes by the same clock.
Maybe evolution was how God worked this creation thing?
I mean... How do we know?

The problem with human comprehension on this issue, in my opinion, is due to the illusion of time. Due to the nature of our existence, we think of time as something moving, like a river. It doesn't. We're what's moving. Like running software code, the interaction of our neurons from which emerges our consciousnesses requires sequence, and time is the dimension through which that process moves. Time itself, however, does not move.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The problem with human comprehension on this issue, in my opinion, is due to the illusion of time. Due to the nature of our existence, we think of time as something moving, like a river. It doesn't. We're what's moving. Like running software code, the interaction of our neurons from which emerges our consciousnesses requires sequence, and time is the dimension through which that process moves. Time itself, however, does not move.

Nicely put.

 

[Moonbeam]

You mean your almost constant inability to make sense, or even write a single sentence without error, is all part of a plot to show me my reflection?

Of course. I am what you make me, your fear of irrationality and error, your assumptions that I am concerned with such things, that my distaste for he application of regulation to enforce the dominant opinion over the wishes of others is based somehow in relativistic thinking.

Right now we live in a society that rejects the teaching of theology in public schools and will insure by laws it does not happen but your laws and your logical reasoning cannot touch the underlying disease. It fosters instead the paranoid feeling the religious have of secular immorality, that the devil is about working his evil. You operate on the level of control using the tools of law to control such madness as you must. But that only makes the disease worse for those that have it. But it is all you can do because you do not know how to cure it and never think in tha t direction.

 

[Vic]

I don't reject the teaching of theology in public schools, just in science classes.