Teachers told to offer books with 'opposing' Holocaust views

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VRAMdemon

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Remind me again - was it Tlaib or Omar who said Californian wildfires were started by "Jewish space lasers"? Or marching in Charlottesville chanting “Jews will not replace us!”, and praising those who chanted such a thing.

Well you see, if you disagree with some of Israel’s policies you’re anti-Semitic, even if you’re Jewish, but if you are a fucking Nazi marching in Charlottesville you’re "great people".
 

sportage

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With all the looney tunes out there becoming mainstream and conspiracies put out there as gospel, it's no surprise that the Holocaust deniers would rear their ugly head. We need time machines so people can actually go back in time and see for themselves. Some, preferably looking out from inside a concentration camp.

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trenchfoot

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The Repub crime bosses see the writing on the wall and are doing whatever they can to infect the minds of their minions with lies and more lies filled with hate, fear, denialism and alternative history lessons that favor "their political point of view".

I would invoke Nazi Germany and their manipulation and exploitation of their people but I think the way the Repub party is going about their propaganda war on the truth is much more insidious while being much more blatant in other ways.
 
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VRAMdemon

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Anti-semites on the Right are prone to filter their bigotry through the lens of Biblical prophecy, which often results in...at least temporary support of Israel.

For some, it’s that at this point in time, they hate Muslims slightly more than they hate Jews, so they support Israel on the basis of what they perceive of an “enemy of my enemy” situation.
 
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woolfe9998

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Remind me again - was it Tlaib or Omar who said Californian wildfires were started by "Jewish space lasers"? Or marching in Charlottesville chanting “Jews will not replace us!”, and praising those who chanted such a thing.

Well you see, if you disagree with some of Israel’s policies you’re anti-Semitic, even if you’re Jewish, but if you are a fucking Nazi marching in Charlottesville you’re "great people".

Omar isn't an anti-semite for disagreeing with Israel's policies. She's an anti-semite for repeatedly using anti-semitic tropes in expressing such disagreement.

There is no disputing anti-semitism on the far right. They're fucking Nazis.
 

interchange

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Omar isn't an anti-semite for disagreeing with Israel's policies. She's an anti-semite for repeatedly using anti-semitic tropes in expressing such disagreement.

There is no disputing anti-semitism on the far right. They're fucking Nazis.

Shocking that a Somali-American Muslim and woman of Palestinian descent are antisemitic.

Still waiting for evidence of Holocaust denial.
 
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woolfe9998

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People speaking up at board meetings about the law requiring equal treatment for Holocaust deniers. Republicans attempting to quash equality for minorities and erase black history may be biting them in their racist asses
Tense school board meeting follows Southlake administrator’s Holocaust remark (yahoo.com)

From your article:

A school district spokeswoman initially said Peddy’s advice was the result of the district’s efforts to comply with Senate Bill 3. State Sen. Bryan Hughes, an East Texas Republican who wrote the bill, denied that it requires teachers to provide opposing views about what he called matters of “good and evil” or to get rid of books that offer only one perspective on the Holocaust.
“That’s not what the bill says,” Hughes said last week. “I’m glad we can have this discussion to help elucidate what the bill says, because that’s not what the bill says."

We wouldn't need a "discussion" if anyone understood what the fuck this piece of crap unconstitutional, ambiguous legislation even means. This is the problem with trying to censor speech. The lines are all blurry. This blurriness creates a chilling effect where no one wants to even discuss any controversial topic.

In this case, the issue was what books teachers can have in their classroom libraries. Soon enough, most Texas teachers will just decide to have no library at all in their classrooms. Because that is the only way to be sure.

Insofar as the entire issue of racism goes, why discuss it at all when you don't even know what you can and cannot say? That, of course, suits the proponents of the bill just fine.
 

Zorba

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From your article:



We wouldn't need a "discussion" if anyone understood what the fuck this piece of crap unconstitutional, ambiguous legislation even means. This is the problem with trying to censor speech. The lines are all blurry. This blurriness creates a chilling effect where no one wants to even discuss any controversial topic.

In this case, the issue was what books teachers can have in their classroom libraries. Soon enough, most Texas teachers will just decide to have no library at all in their classrooms. Because that is the only way to be sure.

Insofar as the entire issue of racism goes, why discuss it at all when you don't even know what you can and cannot say? That, of course, suits the proponents of the bill just fine.
Apparently the bill's author doesn't think slavery and redlining are matters of "good and evil," since this bill is obviously an attempt to ban teaching about those subjects.
 
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HomerJS

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The pointy hat Republicans have backed themselves into a corner with their new law.
 

Zorba

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I wonder what the outcry would be if a teacher stocked The Communist Manifesto to balance a book about capitalism or Reagan.
 
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I wonder what the outcry would be if a teacher stocked The Communist Manifesto to balance a book about capitalism or Reagan.
Oddly enough, the law (that nobody here bothered to read) only allows for balancing controversy (it's not controversial that the Holocaust happened). Most of the issues are coming from a few educators with an axe to grind and asocial statement to make. Of particular note, the Carroll school district are rather upset about this. Not sure of their history, but they are very sarcastic and vocal about this. My guess is that they are white, woke and upset that they can't do as they please.

Now....that being said, politics are controversial (since it's a social construct). I'd see no issue with allowing class assignments to look at political viewpoints and compare them. In school, we even set up "nations" using different different govt forms. I personally liked Communism when the scenario was small scale and resources were slim, and Federal Republic when resources and size were vast. True Democracy (for our group of 40 people) was an exercise in futility, and we never got any of our assignments done on time or with good marks.
 

Zorba

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Oddly enough, the law (that nobody here bothered to read) only allows for balancing controversy (it's not controversial that the Holocaust happened). Most of the issues are coming from a few educators with an axe to grind and asocial statement to make. Of particular note, the Carroll school district are rather upset about this. Not sure of their history, but they are very sarcastic and vocal about this. My guess is that they are white, woke and upset that they can't do as they please.

Now....that being said, politics are controversial (since it's a social construct). I'd see no issue with allowing class assignments to look at political viewpoints and compare them. In school, we even set up "nations" using different different govt forms. I personally liked Communism when the scenario was small scale and resources were slim, and Federal Republic when resources and size were vast. True Democracy (for our group of 40 people) was an exercise in futility, and we never got any of our assignments done on time or with good marks.
The problem is how you define controversial. There is, sadly, a group of people that deny the Holocaust happened, especially the gas chambers.

Evolution is a fact, yet people think it's controversial. The debate between economic systems will always be controversial (and i have no problem teaching multiple sysyems, but the people that pushed this shit bill through absolutely would). The bill was specifically passed to make it harder to teach about systematic racism, which is also a pretty obvious fact.
 

maluckey1

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The problem is how you define controversial. There is, sadly, a group of people that deny the Holocaust happened, especially the gas chambers.

Evolution is a fact, yet people think it's controversial. The debate between economic systems will always be controversial (and i have no problem teaching multiple sysyems, but the people that pushed this shit bill through absolutely would). The bill was specifically passed to make it harder to teach about systematic racism, which is also a pretty obvious fact.
True enough.

To me, it seems that the law verbiage wasn't well written. It also seemed to be less about history, and more geared to current thoughts and untested theories. The so-called outrage of the week sort of thing (like missing white girl syndrome)