Teacher gun training course in Texas

[Bird222]

Read the article.

Well that's ridiculous.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well that's ridiculous.

Well, that is about how LEO would expect to perform. That's not praise.

If this is approved then "normal" standards are insufficient as the situations they are expected to perform in is more difficult than what officers on the street would normally face. This requires SOG level training and demonstrated competence, at least in the context of a school room. Few would pass and that's all there should be handling weapons in stressful and uncertain scenarios.

 

[zinfamous]

Surely that was just the target used and she wasn't not training to shoot a perp holding a hostage. Most people can't make that shot, that's why you have sharp shooters.

yeah, what's the point at shooting of targets if you aren't trying to improve your skill, right? what a silly idea. I hear that every day!

 

[zinfamous]

Does a license to carry mean she ever practiced?? Or is it just a license to carry a weapon that anyone can get without any type of a proficiency test.

nah. who needs to have any sort of practice if they want a license to carry? Sounds like you are stepping on my freedom.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

It's idiotic to think that arming teachers is a good idea. Idiotic.

Better to put trained private security officers in every classroom, hallway, restroom and posted all around the perimeter of the school and that can be done for under a million dollars per school. The schools have that much in petty cash after all.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

I'm more concerned with what happens when police arrive to an active scenario and don't know who the shooter is when they see others with guns as well. This whole thing seems to be a recipe for disaster.

The shooter will be the dead guy.

 

[Bird222]

yeah, what's the point at shooting of targets if you aren't trying to improve your skill, right? what a silly idea. I hear that every day!

Of course you shoot targets to improve your skill but I haven't seen anybody advocate trying to shoot someone holding a hostage. That in my view is for very specially trained people.

 

[TheVrolok]

Better to put trained private security officers in every classroom, hallway, restroom and posted all around the perimeter of the school and that can be done for under a million dollars per school. The schools have that much in petty cash after all.

I think that's pretty idiotic as well.

 

[soundforbjt]

Arming and training 700,000 teachers ain’t gonna be cheap. Almost forgot the locked containers to store them, cleaning kits, etc.

 

[Bird222]

Well, that is about how LEO would expect to perform. That's not praise.

If this is approved then "normal" standards are insufficient as the situations they are expected to perform in is more difficult than what officers on the street would normally face. This requires SOG level training and demonstrated competence, at least in the context of a school room. Few would pass and that's all there should be handling weapons in stressful and uncertain scenarios.

Unfortunately, you are right about LEO. I don't think armed teachers is a good idea.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

yeah, what's the point at shooting at targets if you aren't trying to improve your skill, right? what a silly idea. I hear that every day!

I hate trying to discuss these things on the internet because people are rarely objective in any sense, and by that having the ability to view a situation by more than one "absolute", which never exists anyway.

Therefore I'm going to pick on you

Well, not pick on, but discuss since I think we pretty much have a sense of each other and it might be nice to have a working dialogue going without the sky falling on various chickens to the exclusion of what is going on.

What I read is that while she passed the test she wasn't satisfied at all. To me "that's not good enough" is a heck of a lot better than officers who shoot on ranges just to keep certified and screw everything else.

Would there be a scenario where having an armed and extremely competent individual available in a crisis be permissible? This is completely separate from legislation regulating firearms. Why or why not?

Pressure....

 

[Alpha One Seven]

I think that's pretty idiotic as well.

That's the point. The other option is to allow criminals to have free reign on schoolgrounds.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

Arming and training 700,000 teachers ain’t gonna be cheap. Almost forgot the locked containers to store them, cleaning kits, etc.

Cheaper in lives but more costly in dollars. Sounds like a good trade off to me.

 

[TheVrolok]

That's the point. The other option is to allow criminals to have free reign on schoolgrounds.

Really, that's the only other option? We fortify schools with weapons or it's the wild west?

 

[soundforbjt]

Really, that's the only other option? We fortify schools with weapons or it's the wild west?

More guns is always the answer. Don’t you NRA?

 

[Alpha One Seven]

Really, that's the only other option? We fortify schools with weapons or it's the wild west?

It looks that way, haven't you been paying attention?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Really, that's the only other option? We fortify schools with weapons or it's the wild west?

Let's ignore him.

I can assure you that there is no legislation that will prevent killings, not nearly. I spent about two seconds considering what mischief could be done to keep things at this sad level in perpetuity.

For the moment, esteemed adult (yes I am interjecting some levity into this) what effective measures do you propose? Note "effective", not hopeful.

Consider someone like me, someone you've had interactions with and so have some rough idea of what I might do if I were evil.

Your job is to stop anyone like me. How is that done? Disclaimer- Not terrorist.

 

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[Puffnstuff]

Thanks I hadn't read that. It's the same in a couple more states. There's a bill in the Kansas House right now that, in part, will no longer allow insurance companies to discriminate(their word, not mine) based on concealed carry in the schools.

They will withdraw from the state taking jobs and insurance with them.

 

[umbrella39]

Every single day for years and years I have read the online comments sections of newspaper articles around the country and there has always been one constant.. the utter contempt and hatred the right has for teachers. Now the right wants to use these people as a tool to advance their political agenda? Color me shocked...

Again, the people who would do their best to deny teachers and students the per pupil funding needed for books, paper, pencils, etc want to find the money to train and arm them?

Arm our kids and teachers with the tools to do their fucking jobs first THEN worry about your agenda to put more guns into schools... FFS

 

[Jhhnn]

Every single day for years and years I have read the online comments sections of newspaper articles around the country and there has always been one constant.. the utter contempt and hatred the right has for teachers. Now the right wants to use these people as a tool to advance their political agenda? Color me shocked...

Again, the people who would do their best to deny teachers and students the per pupil funding needed for books, paper, pencils, etc want to find the money to train and arm them?

Arm our kids and teachers with the tools to do their fucking jobs first THEN worry about your agenda to put more guns into schools... FFS

Well, yeh, but Trump & GOP leaders love the uneducated. Besides that, their kids go to private school, anyway, so who cares, right? It's expensive, however, so a nice fat tax cut helps pay for it. Every little bit helps.

Oh, your kids go to public school? Ewww... Sucks to be you, huh?

 

[TheVrolok]

Let's ignore him.

I can assure you that there is no legislation that will prevent killings, not nearly. I spent about two seconds considering what mischief could be done to keep things at this sad level in perpetuity.

For the moment, esteemed adult (yes I am interjecting some levity into this) what effective measures do you propose? Note "effective", not hopeful.

Consider someone like me, someone you've had interactions with and so have some rough idea of what I might do if I were evil.

Your job is to stop anyone like me. How is that done? Disclaimer- Not terrorist.

Unfortunately, I don't think there is anything to be done until we have a fundamental change in our society.

I would support massive gun reform, but the only type of reform that could actually curb violence is not at all practical in this country today.

And I mean significant reform:

Raise minimum age for a firearm ownership to 25

Some sort of custody agreement such that a younger person could carry a long gun for the purpose of hunting when in direct supervision and with the responsibility of another adult

Mandatory insurance per firearm

Licensing and registration for all firearms

Outlaw all semi automatic weapons and all handguns. Develop some sort of grandfathering policy for current firearms where a reasonable buy back program exists and current owners could pay a significant fee (similar to a class 3 stamp) for the now illegal arms with similar restrictions for storage

I could go on and on, but none of it will happen with our current gun climate, nor in the foreseeable future. Unfortunately, fortifying schools isn't going to do it either. We made our bed, we refuse to actually but effort into changing it, so we may as well lie down and get used to it.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well, yeh, but Trump & GOP leaders love the uneducated. Besides that, their kids go to private school, anyway, so who cares, right? It's expensive, however, so a nice fat tax cut helps pay for it. Every little bit helps.

Oh, your kids go to public school? Ewww... Sucks to be you, huh?

All it's going to take is for a few mass killings to occur at those exclusive private schools that the donor class like to send their children to and voila! We're either going to see these schools turned into armed fortresses (money no object of course) or have some real gun control measures passed in the legislature.

 

[IJTSSG]

They will withdraw from the state taking jobs and insurance with them.

Hmmm. I wonder how Texas and Utah are managing to allow teachers to do this.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Arming and training 700,000 teachers ain’t gonna be cheap. Almost forgot the locked containers to store them, cleaning kits, etc.

That 700,000 teachers getting training? Where did you get that number from?