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spidey07

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Fayd
Originally posted by: gorcorps
Originally posted by: UncleWai
Tell me about it, I've been sitting on my ass for 3 months now in this market with a Econ degree.

Heh. Good luck. People w/ econ degrees got us into this mess so you're not entirely trusted right now ;)

no, people that idiots voted for got us into this mess.

people with econ degrees are telling everyone to quit bitching, and go about business as usual.

Yes. Thank Congress for the last two years of mayhem - those idiots that voted for them.

For real advice - your career isn't handed to you. You have to work for it, guide it and care for it. Get out there and start interviewing. Finding a job is a full time job.

-edit-
I knew you still lived at home, I could tell from your posts.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: Fayd
is there someone specific i should be talking to? a career counselor? is there such a thing?

Yes and your school should have one that you can talk to. Does your school also have a career office?

 

Regs

Lifer
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A B.S means you get a chance to advance. Starting jobs are hard to find 40+k over. Though they're some.
 

spidey07

No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Regs
A B.S means you get a chance to advance. Starting jobs are hard to find 40+k over. Though they're some.

You have got to be kidding me. Even internships make that here in KY. You're talking about 20 bucks an hour. A factory worker makes more than that with no college. Wake up people.
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Regs
A B.S means you get a chance to advance. Starting jobs are hard to find 40+k over. Though they're some.

You have got to be kidding me. Even internships make that here in KY. You're talking about 20 bucks an hour. A factory worker makes more than that with no college. Wake up people.

I am willing to bet any amount of money that this man is not currently looking for a job.
 

Fayd

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Fayd
is there someone specific i should be talking to? a career counselor? is there such a thing?

Yes and your school should have one that you can talk to. Does your school also have a career office?

i think so.

i guess i'll be making an appointment there for monday.
 

Turin39789

Lifer
Nov 21, 2000
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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Regs
A B.S means you get a chance to advance. Starting jobs are hard to find 40+k over. Though they're some.

You have got to be kidding me. Even internships make that here in KY. You're talking about 20 bucks an hour. A factory worker makes more than that with no college. Wake up people.

In what?

And you have to know someone to get on at the plant, and they have cutback wages and bought out the employees that were going real well. And I doubt the OP would be willing to do plant work.
 

BarneyFife

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I remember starting off in economics and then switching to engineering. I liked economics better but the reality of things was that engineering was more secure. It was the best decision I made.
 

Zee

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Originally posted by: BHeemsoth
Originally posted by: Joemonkey
Originally posted by: BHeemsoth
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Give me a break. $30 k is reasonable for an entry level position that requires two years of accounting. Sorry if you live on either coast but, it beats being unemployed.

Geeze louise....$30k starting? I scoffed at offers twice that while graduating with a B.S. last year.

a BS in what?

Computer Information Systems. It's a business/CS hybrid, like MIS.

what do you do now? is it related to the degree?
 

LilPima

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Truthfully, over half of the difficult part is having an in. Networking/being friendly and agreeable (doesn't mean a drone) is so much more important than people think.

As for the rest, make sure your resume looks good and be willing to start at 30k. After a year or 8 months you can start looking for another job with some experience under your belt. The only way to make big salary increases is to change jobs, but responsibly.
 

kranky

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Oct 9, 1999
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You already know part of the problem is your lack of experience. So wouldn't it make sense to take a job so you can get some?

30K job = $2500 monthly income.
Your current strategy = $0 monthly income.

It's not like you can't continue to look for a better job.
 

Alphathree33

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Frankly you sound like a little brat full of entitlement and I'd never hire you.

And University Degrees != Employment Training. I don't sit around at work thinking, "Boy I wish I could hire an econ major" or "Boy I wish I could hire an arts major"

I sit around thinking, "Boy I wish I could hire someone who was really good at solving problem X that I have."

Maybe if you start thinking about it from that perspective you'll have more luck.

I do agree that for a non-entitled, non-spoiled brat, $30K is low. I'm paying an intern more than that right now. Although not an econ intern :D
 

Gibson486

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Exactly.....people in college forget...you do not start at the top. If you want to make atleast 40k right off the bat, well, you should have chosen something like engineering or accounting. Even then, those majors are filled with dreams of making 70K right off the bat. Yes, 70K is possible, but it is NOT COMMON right out of school with a BS....

30K job = $2500 monthly income.
Your current strategy = $0 monthly income.

seems pretty obvious and easy for me, epsecially in this economy. Chase experience, not money. It's a mistake that all young people, my self included, make.
 

Joemonkey

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Mar 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Regs
A B.S means you get a chance to advance. Starting jobs are hard to find 40+k over. Though they're some.

You have got to be kidding me. Even internships make that here in KY. You're talking about 20 bucks an hour. A factory worker makes more than that with no college. Wake up people.

In what?

And you have to know someone to get on at the plant, and they have cutback wages and bought out the employees that were going real well. And I doubt the OP would be willing to do plant work.

yeah, i use to work at Hitachi in Harrodsburg and they just offered a (currently voluntary) buyout of 16 weeks pay + $1000/year you've been there. I think the average hourly worker there starts at ~$11/hr and maxes out at something like ~$16 unless they become a supervisor

Louisville != the rest of KY

I'd imagine in places like Harlan, Whitesburg, Hazard, etc. you'd be doing VERY WELL to make >$15/hr
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: Fayd
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Originally posted by: Fayd
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Give me a break. $30 k is reasonable for an entry level position that requires two years of accounting. Sorry if you live on either coast but, it beats being unemployed.

no, it really isnt.

Reasonable or beats being unemployed? I think a lot of people especially politicians forget how the 80% of the population that doesn't live on the coasts live.

30k for 2 years of acctng experience with a 4 year degree is entirely unreasonable. in fact, that's pretty much pissing on new hires.

You are the one that choose to get a B.A in Liberal Arts(Econ falls under Liberal Arts). The avg starting salary for Liberal Arts major is around $30k. Either go get a masters in Econ, or start working in the entry level jobs. The sooner you start working in an entry level jobs, the sooner you'll be moving up.
 

Madwand1

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Originally posted by: Fayd
is there somewhere specific i should be looking? (i'm checking my school's website, careerbuilder.com, and some other similar places.)

My first two jobs were from my university's job placement center, so that's not a bad place to start -- people looking there might not be willing to pay top dollar for all graduates or the money for an experienced worker, but they're at least looking for recent graduates.

2 years experience is a standard tag line to keep out people with no working experience, and is used by most companies and recruiters as a way to avoid doing initial training and to keep out the inept. That's why you should be more flexible for the first job and its salary. Once you have some more working experience, which you might pay for by not taking a top salary, getting the next job becomes a lot easier.
 

sjwaste

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Aug 2, 2000
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Originally posted by: Fayd
i seem to be a complete moron WRT how to get a job.

i have a BA in econ (okay, not the most marketable of things) but the only things i can find for econ majors are jobs that start at a max of 30k a year, and demand something like 2 years of accounting? wtf is that shit. like hell i have 2 years of accounting, and like hell a person with 2 years of accounting exp is gonna work for 30k a year. (fwiw, my degree didnt have any acctng. i have some experience with acctng, tho, because i took prebiz before switching to econ. however.... i dont have enough that it's marketable.)

my experience is rather limited(obviously... i have about 1 year of experience as an intern at an energy efficiency company, where i did everything from IT work to accounting. but it's not enough of anything to say i have relevant experience in anything.)

is there somewhere specific i should be looking? (i'm checking my school's website, careerbuilder.com, and some other similar places.)

is there someone specific i should be talking to? a career counselor? is there such a thing?

Are you kidding? Just about every "business" job will look at an econ degree as favorable. The BA is kind of weak, since it suggests (to me) that you took more liberal arts than math/theory coursework, but you should still be able to find a job as a business analyst somewhere.
 

sjwaste

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Aug 2, 2000
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Originally posted by: BHeemsoth
Originally posted by: Joemonkey
Originally posted by: BHeemsoth
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Give me a break. $30 k is reasonable for an entry level position that requires two years of accounting. Sorry if you live on either coast but, it beats being unemployed.

Geeze louise....$30k starting? I scoffed at offers twice that while graduating with a B.S. last year.

a BS in what?

Computer Information Systems. It's a business/CS hybrid, like MIS.

What school and where do you work now?
 

DaWhim

Lifer
Feb 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: Fayd
Originally posted by: Muse
Originally posted by: Joemonkey
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Give me a break. $30 k is reasonable for an entry level position that requires two years of accounting. Sorry if you live on either coast but, it beats being unemployed.

isn't the national average something like $33k anyway? take what you can get, eat ramen, get experience, switch jobs 2-3 times before you're 30, profit.
The cost of living where you live factors in here tremendously. The same house can cost $110,000 in one area that costs $700,000 in another. Well that was before the pop of the housing bubble so divide by 2.

housing bubble hasn't popped that hard here. the house i'm living in (parents) went from 380k when they bought it, to little over a mil. now it's still around a mil.

anyways, i live in san diego CA, but i'd be willing to relocate pretty much anywhere. anything over 45k = time to move!


fucking hell... if i had realized job market would be like this, i would have said fuck econ, transferred schools and gotten a BS in eng. any kind of eng.

How long have you been jobless? I will bet that give it a few months, you will not expecting 45k a year.

The reality is your BA Economic doesn't mean shit to an employer. I graduated with a BA/MA Econ and it still took me 2 months to get my first job. my first job was 36k with OT. It was tons of OT that pushed my salary to over 45k. It was last year.

In the market, I suggest you jump on any job offer you can get regardless of the wages. working experience matters more than you think.
 

jagec

Lifer
Apr 30, 2004
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Originally posted by: BHeemsoth
Originally posted by: MagnusTheBrewer
Give me a break. $30 k is reasonable for an entry level position that requires two years of accounting. Sorry if you live on either coast but, it beats being unemployed.

Geeze louise....$30k starting? I scoffed at offers twice that while graduating with a B.S. last year.

A BS is (usually) a real degree.

Originally posted by: Fayd
30k for 2 years of acctng experience with a 4 year degree is entirely unreasonable. in fact, that's pretty much pissing on new hires.

If you're just sending out your resume, you have to take what you can get...and right now, that's all anyone can get.

Want to get a higher paying job? Follow these easy steps.

1)Pick up the phone
2)Say "Hey Uncle Scrooge, I need a job, kthxbai"
3)$$$$.

Cronyism > Nepotism > Networking > Resume
 

duragezic

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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Originally posted by: Gibson486
Exactly.....people in college forget...you do not start at the top. If you want to make atleast 40k right off the bat, well, you should have chosen something like engineering or accounting. Even then, those majors are filled with dreams of making 70K right off the bat. Yes, 70K is possible, but it is NOT COMMON right out of school with a BS....

30K job = $2500 monthly income.
Your current strategy = $0 monthly income.

seems pretty obvious and easy for me, epsecially in this economy. Chase experience, not money. It's a mistake that all young people, my self included, make.
Yep. I'm not sure where you got the idea in college that it was going to be so great. It is generally accepted that salaries in some fields are much lower than others overall, and people in these fields usually accept that.

My school has job fairs in the fall and spring. One fair was all I needed for good offers (although I admit this was fall 2007). Although it is my only experience in job hunting, it seems by far the best way to go, unless you have networking contacts. You hear of so many people submitting resumes on dice, monster, etc but not many success stories. So I'd keep on the lookout for the next job fair, and in the meantime, definitely go see your university career center. It seemed at mine it was a rather underutilized place, while at the same time offered a lot of very good things for students. I personally did not use it much, but had my effort at the job fair not produce any good results, it would've been my next move.

Second is your desirability. Obviously I don't know you and I don't mean to make large assumptions, but for one I agree with some others who suggest working on your resume more. From what I've seen in general, a lot of college graduates resumes could use improvement. You could get some help on it here, and again your university career center should be great for this. Mine had advice/counselors on resumes, interviewing, job searches, etc. I went to a few of these events/presentations and got good info. Those people know what employers want. You should have been doing things like this while in school.

But to the point, take it from the point of view of somehow hiring. What do you have to offer that makes you worth $50k/yr or whatever you want? They see a degree with not the most desirable focus, and 1 year of internship experience that was not all that relevant. It's not horrible, and any internship is good, but even in a better economy it might be a tough sell for a high salary. Again, here is where you want your resume as best as possible, and your interviewing good, practiced. With what experience you have, you need to identify some key projects, situations, etc that make you more desirable than what it might initially appear.