Tea Party Conservatives stand up to spread of terrorism

[Hayabusa Rider]

I wonder if these tea partiers know that the original modern tea party was held by people who would find this protesting disgusting. I can only assume they don't.

I bet some of them pay $5 a month for green energy

 

[Zebo]

Our meddling in the middle east before 911 has been pretty much written off as laughable by most informed scholars. Meddling wasn't the primary reason these nuts attacked us because you'd have to ignore a large body of evidence that shows their their knowledge of foreign intrusion, their knowledge of international affairs and events, their knowledge of intentions vs. results isn't anywhere near well informed. Their world is colored by a nearly entirely corrupt ME way of life; dictatorial gov'ts with broken school systems and dogmatic Muslim fundamentalism is hardly the ideal environment for someone to grow up sane, well adjusted and informed. In that scenario it's not difficult at all to envision ME teens believing that Americans actively look to kill innocent Muslims, something fundamentals would claim as truth whether we stopped killing innocent Muslims by accident or not, because to them it has already happened and therefore can really never be forgiven, so it's baked into the cake no matter what we do going forward short of withdrawing entirely, embassys and private industry et al, from the ME.

Most kooks who subscribe to this blowback notion (not the idea generally, which is sound, but in the case of 911) can't reconcile how despite a massive increase in meddling in the ME over the last 10 years since 911 that we haven't been attacked once, yet the very moderate amount of meddling over the prior 20 years (including what was universally considered positive meddling by Afghani's against the Soviets in the 80's) yielded several terrorists major attacks including the Cole.

Fact is we could pull out of the ME entirely, stop supporting Israel publicly (pure stupidity) and you'd still have ME Islamic fundamentalists claiming Americans are their enemy purely because we are almost exclusively non-Muslim. The hatred is rooted in something America can't give fundamentalist Muslims, and that's an extremist Muslim caliphate sponsored by the U.S. gov't. Anything short of that for most fundamentalists is enough reason to attack the U.S.

Read it twice didn't help.

 

[comptr6]

Our meddling in the middle east before 911 has been pretty much written off as laughable by most informed scholars. Meddling wasn't the primary reason these nuts attacked us because you'd have to ignore a large body of evidence that shows their their knowledge of foreign intrusion, their knowledge of international affairs and events, their knowledge of intentions vs. results isn't anywhere near well informed. Their world is colored by a nearly entirely corrupt ME way of life; dictatorial gov'ts with broken school systems and dogmatic Muslim fundamentalism is hardly the ideal environment for someone to grow up sane, well adjusted and informed. In that scenario it's not difficult at all to envision ME teens believing that Americans actively look to kill innocent Muslims, something fundamentals would claim as truth whether we stopped killing innocent Muslims by accident or not, because to them it has already happened and therefore can really never be forgiven, so it's baked into the cake no matter what we do going forward short of withdrawing entirely, embassys and private industry et al, from the ME.

Most kooks who subscribe to this blowback notion (not the idea generally, which is sound, but in the case of 911) can't reconcile how despite a massive increase in meddling in the ME over the last 10 years since 911 that we haven't been attacked once, yet the very moderate amount of meddling over the prior 20 years (including what was universally considered positive meddling by Afghani's against the Soviets in the 80's) yielded several terrorists major attacks including the Cole.

Fact is we could pull out of the ME entirely, stop supporting Israel publicly (pure stupidity) and you'd still have ME Islamic fundamentalists claiming Americans are their enemy purely because we are almost exclusively non-Muslim. The hatred is rooted in something America can't give fundamentalist Muslims, and that's an extremist Muslim caliphate sponsored by the U.S. gov't. Anything short of that for most fundamentalists is enough reason to attack the U.S.

I can't believe anyone would disagree wtih this. Most importantly the bolded. They hate us not because of anything we've done but because of our way of life & our freedom. Muslims will never accept non-muslims it's a straight fact.

 

[bamacre]

I bet some of them pay $5 a month for green energy

:biggrin::biggrin:

 

[bamacre]

I can't believe anyone would disagree wtih this. Most importantly the bolded. They hate us not because of anything we've done but because of our way of life & our freedom. Muslims will never accept non-muslims it's a straight fact.

LOL, there you have it, First. Your buddy is agreeing with you. Maybe you'd feel more comfortable surrounded by people who share your beliefs, Project 912 welcomes it's newest member. :biggrin::biggrin:

 

[bamacre]

I can't believe anyone would disagree wtih this. Most importantly the bolded. They hate us not because of anything we've done but because of our way of life & our freedom. Muslims will never accept non-muslims it's a straight fact.

No one denies there are people out there who will hate us for reasons not valid. No one. But fueling the hatred toward us by propping up dictators, meddling in others' affairs, and sanctioning poor nations like Iraq who was not a threat to us, killing hundred of thousands, doesn't help.

 

[comptr6]

No one denies there are people out there who will hate us for reasons not valid. No one. But fueling the hatred toward us by propping up dictators, meddling in others' affairs, and sanctioning poor nations like Iraq who was not a threat to us, killing hundred of thousands, doesn't help.

I see you're just another blame America first liberal (whether you admit it or not). No it can't be the terrorists fault they flew planes into the twin towers on 9/11, because they're minorities! Somehow, someway 9/11 is always Americas fault. Let me remind you of something because you seem to have forgotten, on 9/11 the US was savagely and viscously attacked without warning or provocation. The attacks on 9/11 cost thousands of innocent lives and the 2 wars after 9/11 cost the lives of thousands of brave US servicemen. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and listen to you blame America for 9/11 less than 10 years after 9/11 happened, before the 9/11 memorial is even finished. Should we include something in the 9/11 memorial about 9/11 was America's fault and we had it coming?

 

[UberNeuman]

I see you're just another blame America first liberal (whether you admit it or not). No it can't be the terrorists fault they flew planes into the twin towers on 9/11, because they're minorities! Somehow, someway 9/11 is always Americas fault. Let me remind you of something because you seem to have forgotten, on 9/11 the US was savagely and viscously attacked without warning or provocation. The attacks on 9/11 cost thousands of innocent lives and the 2 wars after 9/11 cost the lives of thousands of brave US servicemen. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and listen to you blame America for 9/11 less than 10 years after 9/11 happened, before the 9/11 memorial is even finished. Should we include something in the 9/11 memorial about 9/11 was America's fault and we had it coming?

Welcome to the forum Rudy Giuliani...

"9/11... 9/11 9/11, 9/11 9/11 9/11. 9/11!?! 9/11; 9/11 9/11 9/11.

Thank you and good9/11.. did I mention 9/11, 9/11?"

 

[CallMeJoe]

Am I the only one who read the topic as:
"Tea Party Conservatives stand up to spread terrorism"

He should have titled it "Tea Party Conservatives stand up to free exercise of First Amendment rights":

 

[amdhunter]

I can't wait until these morons start a modern Civil War. That will be so awesome.

 

[comptr6]

Welcome to the forum Rudy Giuliani...

"9/11... 9/11 9/11, 9/11 9/11 9/11. 9/11!?! 9/11; 9/11 9/11 9/11.

Thank you and good9/11.. did I mention 9/11, 9/11?"

Oh how funny of you to mock one of the worlds greatest leaders and the man that was in charge of NYC during 9/11.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh how funny of you to mock one of the worlds greatest leaders and the man that was in charge of NYC during 9/11.

You must mean Mr. "Noun, verb, 9/11" himself, Rudy Giuliani, the guy who insisted on placing NYC's emergency response center in the WTC center, even after the first WTC bombing in 1993.

Smart, very smart, to place your command center at the most likely point of attack, huh?

 

[LumbergTech]

I see you're just another blame America first liberal (whether you admit it or not). No it can't be the terrorists fault they flew planes into the twin towers on 9/11, because they're minorities! Somehow, someway 9/11 is always Americas fault. Let me remind you of something because you seem to have forgotten, on 9/11 the US was savagely and viscously attacked without warning or provocation. The attacks on 9/11 cost thousands of innocent lives and the 2 wars after 9/11 cost the lives of thousands of brave US servicemen. I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and listen to you blame America for 9/11 less than 10 years after 9/11 happened, before the 9/11 memorial is even finished. Should we include something in the 9/11 memorial about 9/11 was America's fault and we had it coming?

Can I get another 9/11 ?

 

[dawp]

Oh how funny of you to mock one of the worlds greatest leaders and the man that was in charge of NYC during 9/11.

dude, you're delusional. either that, or you mocking the the right for it's stupidity.

butterbean, is that you?

 

[umbrella39]

Oh how funny of you to mock one of the worlds greatest leaders and the man that was in charge of NYC during 9/11.

LOL OK you just folded your hand. Parody found. Pull it back a little next time.

 

[CallMeJoe]

butterbean, is that you?

I doubt it's butterbuns; he wouldn't have been able to go this long without an anti-gay rant.

 

[bamacre]

I see you're just another blame America first liberal (whether you admit it or not).

Yup, that's me, a big government, big tax liberal. :biggrin:

I just use the avatar to fool the unsuspecting. :biggrin:

 

[finglobes]

The contrived theme of this video going around is like Pallywood stuff. The protestors aren't really 'tea party" people but a hodgpodge of Jewish and Christian groups.


"Opposition to the fundraiser coalesced into a major grass-roots demonstration in the weeks leading up to the event after several community groups learned about it and alerted others through Facebook and e-mails, Eliezrie said. Participants included a diverse mix of Jewish and Christian groups from as far away as the Inland Empire and the San Fernando Valley with representation from the California Coalition for Immigration Reform, local chapters of Act! for America and Bikers for Christ and other organizations."

http://www.jewishjournal.com/commun...est_muslim_activists_20110222/#When:00:36:18Z



ICNA of course is no Salvation Army despite the hand wringing over the poor "charity group". Americans are suckers for this kind of thing


"Based in Queens, New York, ICNA’s activities include training camps, study circles, speakers’ forums, night vigils, seminars, and retreats.

ICNA has established a reputation for bringing anti-American radicals to speak at its annual conferences. Moreover, experts have long documented the organization's ties to Islamic terrorist groups. Yehudit Barsky, a terrorism expert at the American Jewish Committee, has said that ICNA "is composed of members of Jamaat e-Islami, a Pakistani Islamic radical organization similar to the Muslim Brotherhood that helped to establish the Taliban." (Pakistani newspapers have reported that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a leading architect of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, was offered refuge in the home of Jamaat e-Islami's leader, Ahmed Quddoos.) On September 27, 1997, another Pakistani Islamist leader, Maulana Shafayat Mohamed, played host to an ICNA conference at his Florida-based fundamentalist madrassa (religious school), which served as a recruitment center for Taliban fighters.

In 2000, CNSNews.com made public a press release, originally posted on a Middle Eastern website, from a July 2000 ICNA meeting, which read: "Jamaat e-Islami's supporters have an organization in America known as ICNA …" The press release also recounted some of the views expressed at the aforementioned ICNA meeting. These included an exhortation that "Islam must be translated into political dominance"; pleas for support for "jihad" in "Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine, Iraq [against U.S. forces], southern Sudan, and … in Bosnia/Kosova [sic]"; an appeal for unity among Pakistani Muslims against "Hindu Brahmins and Zionist Jews"; and an endorsement of Muslim women's inclusion in carrying out jihad. One Islamic leader present at the ICNA event complained about “human rights violations” being carried out by the U.S. government against the terrorist mastermind Omar Abdel Rahman, spiritual leader of Egypt's Islamic Group.

In part because of such revelations, ICNA is now under investigation by U.S. authorities for possible connections to terrorist groups. In December 2003, the U.S. Senate Finance Committee requested that the Internal Revenue Service provide detailed information on 25 U.S. Muslim organizations, including ICNA.

In March 1996, U.S. Senator Mitch McConnell stated, "One of the groups with Hamas ties is the Dallas-based Islamic Association for Palestine in North America, which, in turn, apparently is allied with the Islamic Circle of North America in New York." The New York Daily News reports that ICNA has been "probed by FBI counter-terrorism agents" for "terror ties."

Terrorism analyst Steven Emerson claims that ICNA has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, the ideological forebear of all radical Islamic movements -- including Hamas and al-Qaeda. Documents show that Hamas officials have participated in previous ICNA events. "The ICNA's hatred of the Jews is so fierce," writes Emerson, "that it taunted them with a repetition of what Hitler did to them." In his book American Jihad, Emerson expounds: "The ICNA openly supports militant Islamic fundamentalist organizations, praises terror attacks, issues incendiary attacks on western values and policies, and supports the imposition of Sharia [Islamic law]."


ICNA was named in a May 1991 Muslim Brotherhood document -- titled "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" -- as one of the Brotherhood’s 29 likeminded "organizations of our friends" that shared the common goal of destroying America and turning it into a Muslim nation. These "friends" were identified by the Brotherhood as groups that could help teach Muslims "that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands ... so that ... God's religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions."

 

[comptr6]

The contrived theme of this video going around is like Pallywood stuff. The protestors aren't really 'tea party" people but a hodgpodge of Jewish and Christian groups.

Excuse me?! The We Surround Them 912 OC group were there front and center, so don't go trying to deny them their credit.

http://www.meetup.com/WeSurroundThemOC/messages/boards/thread/10515955

They fought for their country and deserve the same honor all the other groups are getting for their sacrifices...God bless all of them.

ICNA of course is no Salvation Army despite the hand wringing over the poor "charity group". Americans are suckers for this kind of thing


"Based in Queens, New York, ICNA’s activities include training camps, study circles, speakers’ forums, night vigils, seminars, and retreats.

ICNA has established a reputation for bringing anti-American radicals to speak at its annual conferences. Moreover, experts have long documented the organization's ties to Islamic terrorist groups. Yehudit Barsky, a terrorism expert at the American Jewish Committee, has said that ICNA "is composed of members of Jamaat e-Islami, a Pakistani Islamic radical organization similar to the Muslim Brotherhood that helped to establish the Taliban." (Pakistani newspapers have reported that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a leading architect of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, was offered refuge in the home of Jamaat e-Islami's leader, Ahmed Quddoos.) On September 27, 1997, another Pakistani Islamist leader, Maulana Shafayat Mohamed, played host to an ICNA conference at his Florida-based fundamentalist madrassa (religious school), which served as a recruitment center for Taliban fighters.

In 2000, CNSNews.com made public a press release, originally posted on a Middle Eastern website, from a July 2000 ICNA meeting, which read: "Jamaat e-Islami's supporters have an organization in America known as ICNA …" The press release also recounted some of the views expressed at the aforementioned ICNA meeting. These included an exhortation that "Islam must be translated into political dominance"; pleas for support for "jihad" in "Chechnya, Kashmir, Palestine, Iraq [against U.S. forces], southern Sudan, and … in Bosnia/Kosova [sic]"; an appeal for unity among Pakistani Muslims against "Hindu Brahmins and Zionist Jews"; and an endorsement of Muslim women's inclusion in carrying out jihad. One Islamic leader present at the ICNA event complained about “human rights violations” being carried out by the U.S. government against the terrorist mastermind Omar Abdel Rahman, spiritual leader of Egypt's Islamic Group.

In part because of such revelations, ICNA is now under investigation by U.S. authorities for possible connections to terrorist groups. In December 2003, the U.S. Senate Finance Committee requested that the Internal Revenue Service provide detailed information on 25 U.S. Muslim organizations, including ICNA.

In March 1996, U.S. Senator Mitch McConnell stated, "One of the groups with Hamas ties is the Dallas-based Islamic Association for Palestine in North America, which, in turn, apparently is allied with the Islamic Circle of North America in New York." The New York Daily News reports that ICNA has been "probed by FBI counter-terrorism agents" for "terror ties."

Terrorism analyst Steven Emerson claims that ICNA has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, the ideological forebear of all radical Islamic movements -- including Hamas and al-Qaeda. Documents show that Hamas officials have participated in previous ICNA events. "The ICNA's hatred of the Jews is so fierce," writes Emerson, "that it taunted them with a repetition of what Hitler did to them." In his book American Jihad, Emerson expounds: "The ICNA openly supports militant Islamic fundamentalist organizations, praises terror attacks, issues incendiary attacks on western values and policies, and supports the imposition of Sharia [Islamic law]."


ICNA was named in a May 1991 Muslim Brotherhood document -- titled "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" -- as one of the Brotherhood’s 29 likeminded "organizations of our friends" that shared the common goal of destroying America and turning it into a Muslim nation. These "friends" were identified by the Brotherhood as groups that could help teach Muslims "that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands ... so that ... God's religion [Islam] is made victorious over all other religions."

I'm glad to see you walk around WIDE AWAKE with your EYES WIDE OPEN.

 

[zsdersw]

What the hell would I be "spoofing"? The tea party? I'm a proud member of the Tea Party and the We Surround Them/912 Project.

http://www.the-912-project.com/2009/03/14/we-surround-them-the-912-project/

The 9 in the 912 stands for the 9 basic principles that America was founded around:

1. America is Good.
   [*]I believe in God and he is the Center of my life.
2. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
3. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
4. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
5. I have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
6. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
7. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
8. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.

I highly doubt #2 was a founding principle. After all, "under God" wasn't added to the Pledge of Allegiance until 1954. Founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson were not believers that belief in God is a founding principle, much less the center of his or anyone else's life.

 

[Zebo]

The great danger after we collapse in going communism or fascism, I know what side you'll be on. I'm running for the hills away from YOU PEOPLE.

 

[dawp]

Excuse me?! The We Surround Them 912 OC group were there front and center, so don't go trying to deny them their credit.

http://www.meetup.com/WeSurroundThemOC/messages/boards/thread/10515955

They fought for their country and deserve the same honor all the other groups are getting for their sacrifices...God bless all of them.



I'm glad to see you walk around WIDE AWAKE with your EYES WIDE OPEN.

spidey, did you make another account?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Our meddling in the middle east before 911 has been pretty much written off as laughable by most informed scholars. Meddling wasn't the primary reason these nuts attacked us because you'd have to ignore a large body of evidence that shows their their knowledge of foreign intrusion, their knowledge of international affairs and events, their knowledge of intentions vs. results isn't anywhere near well informed.

snip

I had to stop reading at that point because I realized that you were about to make an uninformed diatribe based on bs talking points.

The fact of the matter is that they (the leaders of the organization) are all well connected, well educated and wealthy members of their society who were more into politics than you, I or the majority of the people on the planet. They not only understood the nuance of what American foreign policy was all about, they were living in it on a daily basis.

 

[RightIsWrong]

I can't believe anyone would disagree wtih this. Most importantly the bolded. They hate us not because of anything we've done but because of our way of life & our freedom. Muslims will never accept non-muslims it's a straight fact.

Considering that I work with about a 5/1 Muslim to non-muslim ratio, I think I will have to disagree with you.

 

[First]

I had to stop reading at that point because I realized that you were about to make an uninformed diatribe based on bs talking points.

The fact of the matter is that they (the leaders of the organization) are all well connected, well educated and wealthy members of their society who were more into politics than you, I or the majority of the people on the planet. They not only understood the nuance of what American foreign policy was all about, they were living in it on a daily basis.

Sorry, but anyone who honestly thinks the majority of ME terrorists are anywhere near well connected, well educated and wealthy doesn't really understand the magnitudes involved; leaders of ME terrorist groups may be these things generally, but the peons that follow them, those that actually commit the deeds and follow through with suicide bombings, are overwhelmingly poor and misinformed. Wealthy, well adjusted terrorists generally don't do it and I challenge you to show evidence otherwise.