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Tea Party blog calls for Job Creator! Strike

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thraashman

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Let me add...these folks all love the free market and all the magical benefits it brings.

So where are the jobs? WHy are we expecting a President to fill this role? SHouldnt it be the free market's?
Well, the problem is that no one really wants a free market. By it's nature, a free market is actually a bad thing. You need a regulated market that free to make business decision within that regulation. A free market is the kind that collapsed the world economy due to mortgage bundling and that skyrockets the price of oil due to speculating.
 

thraashman

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I have to admit, I do enjoy Spidey's crazy posts and get a good laugh at all the lefties falling all over themselves bashing him. I especially enjoy his "WE THE PEOPLE" posts and the responses he gets.

This stuff is great comedy!
The problem is that he's not just a troll, he actually believes his crazy shit. And when he talks, some of the more unstable people on the far right here listen to him which is dangerous. On the flip side, no one on the left of this board thinks of Dave as anything but nuts from what I've seen. I try to ignore all but the most egregious posts of spidey. But some days I just don't have that much else to do with Facebook blocked at work.
 

SamurAchzar

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Actually the collapse was an example of the free market regulating itself. In a free market you, sooner or later, pay for your mistakes, in the mutation we have now the US government borrows more money to defy the rules of cause and effect.
 

Zebo

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Pretty convenient to call for a hiring freeze when their is no demand. You don't hire new people, invest in factories/stores, etc when there is no demand. Demand comes from bottom up. And since the credit money has been cut off to main street all they have left is thier shinking job base for less pay it's not an environment that creates demand so it's quite easy to talk this type of shit but if money was to be made no political stunt would stop the "job creators"
 

Zebo

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Nonsense, our job creators are not on strike, they are hiring over seas.
That's true.

For example NAFTA was passed in 1994. Our NAFTA trade imbalance in 1993 was -$70 billion.

One year later, it was nearly $100 billion in the hole, or more than 40% worse almost overnight.

China's MFN ("Most-favored nation") status was made permanent in 2000. In 1999 we had a $68.7 billion trade deficit with China. One year later it was $83 billion and by 2010 it reached a stunning $273 billion, almost quadruple.

Americans cost too much. Over benefited and over paid. Want jobs back? Two choices either work like Chinese or tariffs just like old days.
 

Jhhnn

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Actually the collapse was an example of the free market regulating itself. In a free market you, sooner or later, pay for your mistakes, in the mutation we have now the US government borrows more money to defy the rules of cause and effect.
Which is why non-Rich sane people don't want a completely free market, but rather a hybrid economy that somewhat protects the interests of the general population against the boom/bust cycles and wealth/income concentration of naked capitalism.

We just haven't done a very good job of that from Reagan forward to today, particularly not during the Bush era and the profound deception of the Ownership Society.
 

Ausm

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That's true.

For example NAFTA was passed in 1994. Our NAFTA trade imbalance in 1993 was -$70 billion.

One year later, it was nearly $100 billion in the hole, or more than 40% worse almost overnight.

China's MFN ("Most-favored nation") status was made permanent in 2000. In 1999 we had a $68.7 billion trade deficit with China. One year later it was $83 billion and by 2010 it reached a stunning $273 billion, almost quadruple.

Americans cost too much. Over benefited and over paid. Want jobs back? Two choices either work like Chinese or tariffs just like old days.
That law cut the throats of American manufacturers :(
 

Paul98

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Who's the rapist, Jhhnn? Those who keep working despite being billionaires and create more wealth, more technology and better lives to all of us, or the tiny, insignificant humans who cling on them for their dear lives, sucking their money dry and demanding even more?
Why do these billionaires hire people if they are sucking them dry??? Oh yeah that's right they make money FOR the billionaire. If you're doing everything you're self creating lots of wealth, technology, and better lives for all of us. Why not fire everyone and not hire anyone back because they are just sucking away all "your" money.
 

Jhhnn

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Americans cost too much. Over benefited and over paid. Want jobs back? Two choices either work like Chinese or tariffs just like old days.
I think we still have alternatives, like restructuring corporate governance and staking a societal claim on the offshore profits of Corporate America.

Socialism? It's the best of the limited alternatives, other than for a very small segment of the population. They'll get by, I'm sure.
 

SamurAchzar

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I think we still have alternatives, like restructuring corporate governance and staking a societal claim on the offshore profits of Corporate America.
How will you make sure these companies remain in USA? Or does your world view take that as a given?
 

feralkid

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It's to send a message to democrats and this president that support for such socialist ideals is NOT to be, nor WILL be tolerated. You still don't get it. If Obama and dems come out and denounce the marxists then embargo off. Until then, embargo ON!

Who run barter town? Tea Party Patriots run barter town.


Sorry, spending all your time shoveling pig-shit in P&N doesn't make you Master-Blaster.
 

JockoJohnson

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And then you have this uppity prick telling Obama what he should do to help the economy. What an ass. Who does he think he is, this know-nothing who only created a few tiny devices.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-biography-obama_n_1022786.html?1319148475

"You're headed for a one-term presidency," he told Obama at the start of their meeting, insisting that the administration needed to be more business-friendly. As an example, Jobs described the ease with which companies can build factories in China compared to the United States, where "regulations and unnecessary costs" make it difficult for them.

Jobs also criticized America's education system, saying it was "crippled by union work rules," noted Isaacson. "Until the teachers' unions were broken, there was almost no hope for education reform." Jobs proposed allowing principals to hire and fire teachers based on merit, that schools stay open until 6 p.m. and that they be open 11 months a year.
 

momeNt

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Which is why non-Rich sane people don't want a completely free market, but rather a hybrid economy that somewhat protects the interests of the general population against the boom/bust cycles and wealth/income concentration of naked capitalism.

We just haven't done a very good job of that from Reagan forward to today, particularly not during the Bush era and the profound deception of the Ownership Society.
More fear mongering on a free market I see.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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Actually the collapse was an example of the free market regulating itself. In a free market you, sooner or later, pay for your mistakes, in the mutation we have now the US government borrows more money to defy the rules of cause and effect.
Thats right, a free market regulates itself and no one gets hurt collaterally.

Oh wait....
 

JockoJohnson

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The free market obviously needs to be regulated. The issue is doing it with the right amount of balance.

http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_b43/security-social-year.html#hdng0

The article states that 50% of all people make below $26k/yr.

Wealth is definitely being hoarded by those that can. Instead of "distributing" it to the workforce, it is spread out amongst the owners/CEOs and stockholders. It has gotten far worse over the past decade. And I don't mean distribute in a socialist/marxist term but in a greedy fuck term. It is clear that they are hoarding it. I am not sure why so many people keep defending these practices. CEO pay relative to worker pay was alot lower a decade or two ago and now it is astronomical -- near 500 to 1 (some sites I saw 475 to 1).

Job creators aren't creating because they need to keep themselves extra happy and the shareholders happy.
 

SamurAchzar

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It's the owner's money. They are keeping more of it, for sure, but it's theirs in the first place, isn't it?

If these companies are so evil, boycott them.

If these owners got so rich by doing nothing, join their ranks and start a business.

If you are underpaid, leave your work place and find a new one. If you can't find a new one, then you are not underpaid, you just THINK you are.

Personal responsibility first and foremost. Regulation as far and distant 2nd.
 

JockoJohnson

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It's the owner's money. They are keeping more of it, for sure, but it's theirs in the first place, isn't it?

If these companies are so evil, boycott them.

If these owners got so rich by doing nothing, join their ranks and start a business.

If you are underpaid, leave your work place and find a new one. If you can't find a new one, then you are not underpaid, you just THINK you are.

Personal responsibility first and foremost. Regulation as far and distant 2nd.
That's fine. The owner's can keep more of it. But then they aren't being taxed enough.
 

momeNt

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Yeh, 1930 was a wonderful time for the average working stiff...
More false history lessons from the 1930s to boot.

What we need is a return to sensible banking practices and that in itself would bring the top 1% crashing back down to earth. Separation of banking from government would allow for banks to compete over physical specie of a free market money which wouldn't allow for all the gross abnormalities we see in a centrally planned fractional reserve banking system.

Why be in a system that creates such large wealth gaps and then try to tax it back to the people after the fact? Why not just change the system redistributing the wealth up to the top? What we have now, had in the 1930s, and pretty much since the first gold vault started printing more certificates than they had of gold for people to use, hasn't been a free market.
 

Lithium381

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I agree, our inflation rate is what's killing us..... CEO's get 28%, the raises "trickle down" but then at the cost of increased services all over, increased cost of food, etc..... repeat. now we think that a "living wage" is $25 / hr but a package of ramen now costs $8. . . . whereas the rest of the world, a living wage is still $5 / hr and ramen only costs $0.25
 

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