Tea Bagging nuclear power?

[her209]

Not in my back yard.

😀

 

[Moonbeam]

Well I did a search for Nuclear Power on that page and it generated 120 hits. I'll get back to you next September.

You won't be getting back to anybody because you aren't really here in the first place. You don't post real material here, you just compost shit like a septic tank for nuclear waste that leaks.

 

[rcpratt]

March 24, 2009

30 Years and Counting
People Died at Three Mile Island
By HARVEY WASSERMAN

Really? The Huffington Post is your evidence? Wow.

The mere fact that it implies that TMI and Chernobyl are similar is ...wow. The basic nuclear physics of those reactors are entirely different. Not to mention the fact that the Soviets had intentionally shut down reactor safety systems to run unsafe tests.

 

[Throckmorton]

I can only assume you know nothing about the nuclear culture in American plants. Putting it on the same level as DH is frankly hilarious.

Example - the outage at a nearby plant may be delayed because the crane, a non-safety system, had some licensing "issues" identified. The probabilistic risk assessment for the crane during a seismic event (for the few hours that the crane is in operation [plant shut down]) was found to be less than an order of magnitude off from the initial safety analysis report (and we're talking 10^-9 here) due to some new computer calcs. The outage may be delayed and millions of dollars per day could be lost...despite the fact that this scenario could not possibly involve any kind of radionuclide release.

The consequences might be "astronomically catastrophic", but the corresponding probability is even more astronomically infinitesimal.

Also, the residents of the town where a nearby potential new reactor is in the licensing phase are giddy about the prospect of a new plant. And it's a nice town. Go preach NIMBY to them, I suppose. Maybe they've just been huffing the I-131 for too many years to know the difference, eh?

It sounds like you're saying the regulations are so strict that it's only a matter of time before nuclear energy is deregulated because gobberment bad, freedum gud. Figure out how to work Teabaggers taking over the country into your risk assessments and then we'll talk.

The risk may be infinitesimal but it's enough that catastrophes have happened. Just like the infinitesmal risk of an oil rig exploding and contaminating a large portion of the Gulf of Mexico.

Nuclear power just isn't worth the effort in my mind. If some town wants the jobs etc, more power to them. I'll gladly use the power they generate and pay them for it.... Well because of the federal subsidies I have NO choice in the matter do I?

 

[rcpratt]

It sounds like you're saying the regulations are so strict that it's only a matter of time before nuclear energy is deregulated because gobberment bad, freedum gud. Figure out how to work Teabaggers taking over the country into your risk assessments and then we'll talk.

I don't care in the slightest about the teabagger aspect of this thread. So no, that's not what I was saying.

Nuclear power just isn't worth the effort in my mind. If some town wants the jobs etc, more power to them. I'll gladly use the power they generate and pay them for it.... Well because of the federal subsidies I have NO choice in the matter do I?

I see what you did there 😉

 

[QuantumPion]

Let's hear it. Which regulations pertaining to nuclear power production do you think are unrealistic? Be specific please.

Here's the entire Code of Federal Regulation, right at your fingertips

I would say the fact that the industry has to comply with the entire CFR, all of which requires NRC approval that the industry pays for, for starters.

It's not so much the CFR that is expensive. It's the NRC's interpretation of the rules that gets costly. For example, part 10 CFR 50.59 describes how changes to the plant and test procedures can be allowed. Even small changes to the plant sometimes require expensive NRC research and approval, taking years and millions of dollars.

A good example is GSI-191. Basically, an NRC study concluded that it was possible that in a worse-case scenario, insulation and other debris could block certain recirculation spray pumps in the containment building. As a result, most plants in the US had to recently retrofit their sump filters, costing tens of millions per plant.

Oh, and a better link is here:
http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/cfr/

P.S. - I am a nuclear engineer.

 

[Throckmorton]

See what I mean rcpratt? QuantumPion is already trying to deregulate nuclear generation.

Next thing you know a piece of insulation is blocking a pump and your county is no longer habitable or at least undesirable, which means your property value is zero.

 

[rcpratt]

I haven't seen him say that he is for deregulation. He has simply stated that our current regulation system is costly, which is true.

 

[monovillage]

From Wiki:

Pass an 'All-of-the-Above' Energy Policy: Authorize the exploration of additional energy reserves to reduce American dependence on foreign energy sources and reduce regulatory barriers to all other forms of energy creation

Reject emissions trading: Stop the "cap and trade" administrative approach used to control carbon dioxide emissions by providing economic incentives for achieving reductions in the emissions of carbon dioxide. (72.20%)

Wow. Found this in under 10 seconds. It gets more interesting when you hear the tea bag candidates.

You do know that there is a difference between "reduce" and "remove" don't you ? Next time spend a little more then 10 seconds to try to get a right answer.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

The fundamental tenets of the tea baggers are to remove federal regulations and government subsidies.

That is the biggest flaw in your argument. A false premise.

 

[Moonbeam]

Really? The Huffington Post is your evidence? Wow.

The mere fact that it implies that TMI and Chernobyl are similar is ...wow. The basic nuclear physics of those reactors are entirely different. Not to mention the fact that the Soviets had intentionally shut down reactor safety systems to run unsafe tests.

Right, I should listen to some nitwit with a basket ball.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Right, I should listen to some nitwit with a basket ball.

Moonbeam, you are the most partisan, agenda-touting hack I've ever read. rcpratt raises good points based on solid facts and you retort by...insulting his choice of avatar? Really? All of your posts are based on bad statistics and "scientific" assumptions that only EVER reinforce your socialist, left-wing radical viewpoints. Whenever anyone confronts you, you insult them on a totally inane basis or just say that their arguments are "irrelevant." In short, you remind me of Sandorski's close-mindedness, and you have convinced me that none of your posts are even remotely worth reading.

 

[piasabird]

Maybe we can buy nuclear fuel from north korea and Iran or mother russia.

 

[rcpratt]

Moonbeam, you are the most partisan, agenda-touting hack I've ever read. rcpratt raises good points based on solid facts and you retort by...insulting his choice of avatar? Really? All of your posts are based on bad statistics and "scientific" assumptions that only EVER reinforce your socialist, left-wing radical viewpoints. Whenever anyone confronts you, you insult them on a totally inane basis or just say that their arguments are "irrelevant." In short, you remind me of Sandorski's close-mindedness, and you have convinced me that none of your posts are even remotely worth reading.

Everyone knows clowns are more trustworthy, anyways.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Everyone knows clowns are more trustworthy, anyways.

Haha, I forgot about his avatar - I've just come to associate his posts with the clown and didn't even notice.

 

[Moonbeam]

Everyone knows clowns are more trustworthy, anyways.

Everybody sees themselves in the mirror.

 

[werepossum]

I can only assume you know nothing about the nuclear culture in American plants. Putting it on the same level as DH is frankly hilarious.

Example - the outage at a nearby plant may be delayed because the crane, a non-safety system, had some licensing "issues" identified. The probabilistic risk assessment for the crane during a seismic event (for the few hours that the crane is in operation [plant shut down]) was found to be less than an order of magnitude off from the initial safety analysis report (and we're talking 10^-9 here) due to some new computer calcs. The outage may be delayed and millions of dollars per day could be lost...despite the fact that this scenario could not possibly involve any kind of radionuclide release.

The consequences might be "astronomically catastrophic", but the corresponding probability is even more astronomically infinitesimal.

Also, the residents of the town where a nearby potential new reactor is in the licensing phase are giddy about the prospect of a new plant. And it's a nice town. Go preach NIMBY to them, I suppose. Maybe they've just been huffing the I-131 for too many years to know the difference, eh?

Shhh! Throckmorton is onto something. If it becomes widely known that nuclear power plants will make liberals move away, hell, we could be off imported oil in a couple of decades! 😀

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Everybody sees themselves in the mirror.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Moonbeam]

Thanks for proving my point.

No it's my point, idiot, and has been for years.

 

[herm0016]

if there is no safe dose of Rad then you better be wearing a lead suit all the time. you are being subjected to gamma rad. all the time by the naturally occurring radioactive material in the earth. In the US the "NORM" is fairly minimal but in places like Brazil it is much higher, yet people have lived there for 1000s of years.

 

[hal2kilo]

It sounds like you're saying the regulations are so strict that it's only a matter of time before nuclear energy is deregulated because gobberment bad, freedum gud. Figure out how to work Teabaggers taking over the country into your risk assessments and then we'll talk.

The risk may be infinitesimal but it's enough that catastrophes have happened. Just like the infinitesmal risk of an oil rig exploding and contaminating a large portion of the Gulf of Mexico.

Nuclear power just isn't worth the effort in my mind. If some town wants the jobs etc, more power to them. I'll gladly use the power they generate and pay them for it.... Well because of the federal subsidies I have NO choice in the matter do I?

Who knows someday we may even get back the energy it took to mine, refine, separate the uranium used for fuel, the energy it took to pour all the cement, the steel for the reactor, piping and reinforcement of the cement. Energy sinks are a bitch.

 

[rcpratt]

Who knows someday we may even get back the energy it took to mine, refine, separate the uranium used for fuel, the energy it took to pour all the cement, the steel for the reactor, piping and reinforcement of the cement. Energy sinks are a bitch.

Look back several decades for that day. Would you prefer we just not produce any power in this country? Every other energy generation source has similar up-front energy costs.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

No it's my point, idiot, and has been for years.

It may very well be your point. But you still proved mine. Thanks!

 

[Fear No Evil]

You won't be getting back to anybody because you aren't really here in the first place. You don't post real material here, you just compost shit like a septic tank for nuclear waste that leaks.

I am the manifestation of your own self-hate. I am you.

 

[CaptainGoodnight]

You won't be getting back to anybody because you aren't really here in the first place. You don't post real material here, you just compost shit like a septic tank for nuclear waste that leaks.

I am really dying to know what medication you are on. Sorry, if this seems like a personal attack on you, but it's not. I've been reading your posts for years, and have been wondering that. I don't think I am the only one.