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TDK VeloCD 12X10X32 4mb buffer or Yamaha 16X10X40 8mb buffer

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Well, if you record at 16x speed, about 2.4mb per second(16x150kb), then you will have just over 3 seconds, before that buffer runs out and you get a coaster. The same as my current Yamaha 8x4x24 w/a 4mb buffer. About 1.2mb per second at 8x speed = just over 3 seconds of protection.

Burn proof, or the equivalent like just link, will just stop writing if the buffer is about to run out and resume again when the buffer is able to fill up again.

Yeah, the TDK and Plextor drives are pretty much the same, so you could get either one. Here's a clip from the end of the TDK review.

TDK's CyClone drive is definitely a very good drive. The drive has nearly no flaws to its reading/writing performance even when compared with the famous Plextor PX-W1210A. The drive delivers 12x writing, 10x re-writing and 32x reading. The BURN-Proof, HS RW standards and the "DAO-RAW" feature will make users very happy.


Both the Plextor PX-W1210A and the TDK CyClone drives have similar prices. That could possibly confuse users when making purchasing decisions. We will just say whatever you decide to buy neither will let you down. Both drives are equipped with the best industry features you can get at present (until next week) and both will make your burning life much easier. Read the details of the tests carefully and see which package fits in your needs. Both TDK and Plextor supplied software packages that are different. There is very little to choose from when comparing each drive directly. We would have no regrets about recommending this drive to anybody.


If you really want the 16x record speed it would probably be better to wait until the drives are released w/burn proof(or equivalent) technology, rather than going for the yamaha 16x w/no burn proof type feature included.
 
Stop this discussion and buy Plextor now. I cannot bear to see my dear Yamaha being beaten to death.
 
yes, I wanted Full CloneCD support, too. That's why I bought a Plextor 12x10x32 scsi writer, instead of going for the 16x yamaha drive. The ide version supports it, too as well as that TDK drive since they are pretty much made from the same components.
 
smbu,

I have 384MB of RAM. If I set the cache/buffer in Nero to 64MB, would this be as effective as having 72MB (64 + 8 on the burner) of buffer, thereby extending the safety margin to 27s?
 
I've never really used Nero, so I couldn't answer that. Whenever I tried using Nero 4, before it would crash my system when I restarted my comp and the only way I could get back into Win98 normally would be to uninstall Nero from Safe Mode. BTW this was using my old Memorex 2x2x6 ide drive. I haven't bothered to try it out on my latest computer.
 
Please, just skip the Yamaha offer🙁, if you're so supersticious about coaster. Get TDK, fast ripping, Nero5....
 
Smbu:

How long is it gonna take for you to believe that Insane3D is convinced that he should not buy Yamaha?
 
I'm also trying to rack up my post count. I've already posted about a dozen times in this thread alone. My post number has gone from the mid 40's, to it's current 120+ in slightly over a day. Only about 80 more until I become a senior member.

BTW I have nothing against Yamaha drives, I am using one right now, but it's better to have a drive with burn proof tech and full clonecd support, like the plextor and tdk drives, than a drive that records about a minute, or so faster.
 
If you're looking to get post counts, you should come in a better time, like when there are lots of people around with dozens or so debates going on every minute.
 
Damn. Hm. I just got the Plextor 12/10/32 last weekend for $269, retail box. I saw the TDK 12/10/32 advertised for 227$(This is all local, btw), but only considered it for a moment. I didn't think it had BurnProof.

Sounds like I coulda saved myself some money..
 
lxi...

Actually, I am still not sure...they both have positives and negatives...

Yamaha: (Good) Fast, Large Buffer (8mb vs. 2mb)
(Bad) No Burn-Proof, Easy CD Creator

TDK: (Good)Burn-Proof, Better Software (Nero 5.0)
(Bad)Small Buffer, Slower Speed

I am leaning toward the TDK for no other reason than Nero 5.0. These both seem to be real nice CDRW drives....

BTW - I have a Sony Spressa 8x4x32 now and I have never had one coaster....ever....


Also, not sure if this matters, but I only really record MP3's and Wav's into audio CD's..directly from my hard drives (ATA100/Raid 0)..won't this be able to keep the buffer filled? I mean I don't have a Pentium 2 or Celeron and some PC-100 ram...
 
I thought you said earlier that the TDK one had a 4mb buffer, yup there it is in your thread topic line. Only the Plextor ide drive has a 2mb buffer, the scsi one has 4mb.
 
I did say that...but I was wrong..it has the 2 mb buffer with burn proof...like was said before..the TDK is the Plextor...
 
The real question is whether, or not you are going to be using clonecd a lot now, or in the future. If you are then go for the Plextor/TDK, because they have full CloneCd support(DAO-RAW), if not and you are sure you won't get any buffer underruns, coasters, then get the Yamaha. Of course you could always wait a little bit for the 16x writers from Sanyo, etc. coming out w/burn proof.

You might also want to wait a couple of days for cdrinfo to post it's review of the 16x Yamaha drive. If you can't wait for an English review of the Yamaha, here's a link to one in French
 
Well, I was just looking at the French review of the Yamaha drive and it looks like it might in fact support DAO-RAW, but my French is not very good, so I can't confirm this, but check this out.

Les points positifs.

- Lecture CD.
- Dao Raw, Overburning.
- CD-TEXT.
- 16X en gravure.
- Prix.

Les points négatif.

- aucun si peut être la vitesse en CDRW

It doesn't look like it reaches those 40x DAE speeds, though.

Audiocatalyst
Debut Fin
MP3 14 X 15 X
WAV 18 X 23 X

Au niveau de CDDAE 99, les résultats donnent un maximum de 22X avec aucune erreur de détectée.
 
Insane3D:

Sorry, i didn't know if the TDK had burnproof/failsafe. Since it doesn, i highly recommend it. It really makes a huge difference.



<< TDK: (Good)Burn-Proof, Better Software (Nero 5.0)
(Bad)Small Buffer, Slower Speed >>



The burn-proof completely overrides the small buffer. My plextor 12/10/32 has a 2 mb buffer (i think) and it has not burned one bad disc. And that's ALL because of burn-proof.

You also said that it's slower......oh come on! 12x is plenty fast. 16x will save you only like a minute or so at the most! You can burn a FULL cd on a 12x while doing a whole bunch of shiet in under 7 mins. I burn a lot of stuff and never have i exceeded or reached 7 minutes.

And to top it all off, you get a better version of Nero, which is the best software for burning IMO. And another thing, i'm pretty sure TDK supports DAO-RAW writes and what not. That's a really important feature you don't want to gimp out on just by getting a faster/newer drive. The TDK looks good.


Well, having all that said, definitely go for the TDK. It has a clear cut advantage over the Yamaha in almost every aspect except for speed, but it more than makes up for that with all the other features. The drive is a good purchase. Buy it.
 
Bling Bling:

Thanks, I agree. I am not even sure that I need burn proof because I have a Sony Spressa 8x4X32 now and it only has a 2mb buffer without burn proof, and it has never made a coaster ever. I rarely record right from a CD...I mostly do recording from MP3's on my RAID array. I already have fast DAE from my Kenwood 72X. I am most likely going with the TDK because of Nero. I really want Nero and the Yamaha comes with Easy CD Creator, which does not interest me. Plus, there is a special on the TDK and it comes with 50 free TDK CDR's. I agree the Yamaha is faster, but the total package is more attractive on the TDK. Also, the TDK is the Plextor. Thanks again...
 
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