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FoBoT

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
If you have a cash account (AKA non-margin) you have T+3 settlement before the cash hits your account.

If you sell, it typically takes 3 days for the funds to make it through clearing and settle before you can buy more. ***

Be warned, if you start "day trading", meaning more than three round trip trades in a 5 day rolling period you will be flagged as a pattern day trader. At that point you need 25k in equity in the account before you can open a new position.

***Exceptions apply. See dealer for complete details.

yeah, unless you know what you are doing, stop. now. you should have known this before you started. quit while you are behind.
 

drnickriviera

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Originally posted by: kranky
Originally posted by: erwin1978
Ahhh, a Margin account is what I need. So if I sell, the funds remain immediately available for me to use? Why isn't this fact in the manual?

So as it stands my money is frozen for 3 days. In 3 days I'm losing the opportunity to gain $200K. That sucks. I better enable that Margin right away.

There sure is a lot of noobs in here. I'm glad I'm not one of them.

Don't just open a margin account, start trading on margin! With your mad trading skills, using increased leverage will multiply your profits many times over.

Zoidbee wants to buy on margin
 

watdahel

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Well I started already and there's no going back. Now, about the margin interest rate, is that charged on a daily basis like my credit card does until money is repayed or is the interest charged on the total money borrowed?

Most of my stocks haven't done a 10% gain so far so I don't see margin being profitable to me considered TD Ameritrade charges 10.5%. I almost had a cardiac arrest when I found that out.

I'm up another $50K, folks. I just thought I'd keep you up to date on the good advices I get here.
 

slag

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Let me give you some good advice. If you have to ask these kinds of questions, you should *not* be buying and selling individual company stock shares, and you most definitely should not attempt to be a "daytrader"....

Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but that's the truth.

Everyone has to learn sometime and somewhere.

People told me the same thing when I went into a specialized shop and ordered some ATSG manuals on transmission repair. The guy asked me if I was a mechanic and I said no. He looked me in the eye and told me that I had no place being inside an automatic transmission if I didn't know what I was doing and that he would not be responsible if I came back later bitching and asking for help. Yeah, he was a real ass.

I still bought the manuals (they were the cheapest place to get them) and also an overdrive band and some clutch packs.

Long story short, I made a couple mistakes but went through my work and caught them. Had to uninstall the tranny once because i forgot something but I fixed it. You dont learn sometimes unless you get your hands dirty. That Ford Explorer is still on the road today, 4 years later, running like a top with the automatic tranny I rebuilt.

Its pretty much the same thing here. If he can afford to make these mistakes and learn from them, then there's no reason he shouldn't be doing what he likes to do.
 

AndrewR

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Incidentally, complain via the website about the recent security breach and receive 12 months of credit monitoring (including credit score) and 20 or so free stock trades for 60 days. :)
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: erwin1978
Well not really. I sold all my shares today and I wanted to rebuy them back soon after for a lower price when I was warned that my account balance was lower than the cost of the trade. "What the hell", I said. Sure enough I only had $22 available for trading; where the rest went I have not a clue. Has this something to do with TD Ameritrade automatic money market sweeps? How am I suppose to day trade like this? How long is the hold up?

There's a mandatory settlement period where the money you got from selling those securities can't be used until the trade settles -- 3 days usually. Settlement happens when the securities are located and transferred to you (or to your brokerage with you as the beneficiary).

Some brokerages will let you float it and buy something else so long as you hold that new security past the settlement of the sale. Scottrade does that IIRC. Not sure if they HAVE to do that.
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: erwin1978
Originally posted by: alien42
if the buy did not clear before you sold it (because you are day trading) then you will have to wait 48 hours for the cash to clear before you can use it.

How long does it take for a buy to clear?

If the above posters are correct and you're swinging that much money, contact a financial adviser, broker, or securities lawyer to answer your questions. You can afford it, right?

Off Topic forums are no place to get financial advice, especially when you're demonstrating that you don't know the basics. Use google if you're cheap and want an answer now. Call Ameritrade if you're cheap and can wait til Monday for an answer. Call a financial adviser if you're not a moron.
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: slag
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Let me give you some good advice. If you have to ask these kinds of questions, you should *not* be buying and selling individual company stock shares, and you most definitely should not attempt to be a "daytrader"....

Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but that's the truth.

Everyone has to learn sometime and somewhere.

People told me the same thing when I went into a specialized shop and ordered some ATSG manuals on transmission repair. The guy asked me if I was a mechanic and I said no. He looked me in the eye and told me that I had no place being inside an automatic transmission if I didn't know what I was doing and that he would not be responsible if I came back later bitching and asking for help. Yeah, he was a real ass.

I still bought the manuals (they were the cheapest place to get them) and also an overdrive band and some clutch packs.

Long story short, I made a couple mistakes but went through my work and caught them. Had to uninstall the tranny once because i forgot something but I fixed it. You dont learn sometimes unless you get your hands dirty. That Ford Explorer is still on the road today, 4 years later, running like a top with the automatic tranny I rebuilt.

Its pretty much the same thing here. If he can afford to make these mistakes and learn from them, then there's no reason he shouldn't be doing what he likes to do.

Everyone does have to learn somewhere. You went into a specialized shop and got books to do it. This guy is asking on an off topic forum. This isn't the place to get financial advice or learn about securities trading, regulation, market mechanisms, etc. We probably have a few experts lurking, but with the large sums he's talking about (faking?), this isn't the right place.

By the way, how hard was it to fix the AT? I might give my own a go soon :)
 

richardycc

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Originally posted by: AndrewR
Incidentally, complain via the website about the recent security breach and receive 12 months of credit monitoring (including credit score) and 20 or so free stock trades for 60 days. :)

you have a direct link to file a complaint to get those free trades? I could use some commission free trades.
 
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50K gain? are you trading in old pesos?

whatever, its a miracle you can still afford an internet connection
 

Argo

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We've all been there. T+3 rule is one of those things that hits you after your first sell and you go "wtf did just happen". Until you find out the rule and feel stupid.
 

ScottMac

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I've sold & bought down to near zero within minutes. I have a cash account.

It might be that if your account is new, they freeze the funds or something ... I've had an Ameritrade account for a couple years.

If you run five (I'm pretty sure it's five) trades a month for a couple months, you are automatically bumped up to an "Apex" member, and some additional tools (L2 streamers, RT News, etc) are made available at no extra charge (I'm also an Apex member).

To purchase, you must have the money in the "Available for Trading" column, which includes the MM account as well as the cash. Any money from a sell is immediately credited to "Available for Trades" (or at least, it has been for me).

I've also used the triggered trades, where some threshold is crossed, a sell is triggered, then that sell triggers a buy for something else (as long as another threshold has / has not been crossed).

I like Ameritrade. Their human help has been very good for the couple times I've needed them, and their documentation is also very good.

I don't know what kind of problems the kid that posted this had, but he can certainly call Ameritrade and they'll (at the least) explain it to him or fix it.

FWIW

Scott


 

conehead433

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I think under the current rules you have to have a minimum of $25K in an account to qualify as a day trader, otherwise you have to wait the 3 days turnaround.
 

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Originally posted by: erwin1978
Most of my stocks haven't done a 10% gain so far so I don't see margin being profitable to me considered TD Ameritrade charges 10.5%. I almost had a cardiac arrest when I found that out.

Shens... you're just trolling now. You have to be playing dumb.
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: conehead433
I think under the current rules you have to have a minimum of $25K in an account to qualify as a day trader, otherwise you have to wait the 3 days turnaround.

Close but its the other way around - if you do 4 round trip trades within a 5 day period, you get labeled a "daytrader" per mandatory SEC rules, which then brokerages require the account holder to have 25k in the account to open additional positions.

I predict this rule will be dropped within a few years. It was a ridiculous kneejerk reaction to the .com bubble bursting and ensuing losses, but does nothing imo to benefit the individual or the industry (it actually hurts market liquidity, and also limits brokerage and exchange revenues). People will profit or not profit in the markets regardless of their account size, and people will still choose to gamble or not gamble their money, regardless of whether or not they can afford it (and that's the way it should be.)
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: erwin1978
How long does it take to get approved for Margin?

Depends on how you filled out the app. If you did it online it's about 48 hours. If you filled out paper and sent it in it's a few weeks.

That's assuming you were approved.
 

watdahel

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Do they notify you of their decision of denial or acceptance? I did it online last Friday. I'm waiting in suspense.

It's odd that to apply for Options requires you to mail the form while Margin can be done online.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: drnickriviera
Originally posted by: kranky
Originally posted by: erwin1978
Ahhh, a Margin account is what I need. So if I sell, the funds remain immediately available for me to use? Why isn't this fact in the manual?

So as it stands my money is frozen for 3 days. In 3 days I'm losing the opportunity to gain $200K. That sucks. I better enable that Margin right away.

There sure is a lot of noobs in here. I'm glad I'm not one of them.

Don't just open a margin account, start trading on margin! With your mad trading skills, using increased leverage will multiply your profits many times over.

Zoidbee wants to buy on margin


Damn you, Dr. Nick...
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: erwin1978
Do they notify you of their decision of denial or acceptance? I did it online last Friday. I'm waiting in suspense.

It's odd that to apply for Options requires you to mail the form while Margin can be done online.

You should sue them for the millions in potential returns you're losing.
 
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