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UDT89

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So i purchased a local website that is a restaurant review site. It is/was fairly popular but the owner let it sit for the last 6 months. Its a PR2 gets about 50 uniques a day, still, somehow...blah blah blah.

Now to the tax question. One day I hope I can make a few bucks off the site selling ads and things like that. If I were to create a business and get a tax ID and everything else that goes with starting a business.....could I take the fees of hosting, going to restaurants to review them, and any other costs and use them as deductions? Does this help my personal income taxes or is it totally seperate?

Im sure im not asking some things so if you can think of anything after reading this that I should know please include it. I just think this is a good way to combine my love for journalism and eating lol and want to make a nice hobby out of it.....and maybe make like $100/month to pay for small bills.

thanks guys
 
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So i purchased a local website that is a restaurant review site. It is/was fairly popular but the owner let it sit for the last 6 months. Its a PR2 gets about 50 uniques a day, still, somehow...blah blah blah.

Now to the tax question. One day I hope I can make a few bucks off the site selling ads and things like that. If I were to create a business and get a tax ID and everything else that goes with starting a business.....could I take the fees of hosting, going to restaurants to review them, and any other costs and use them as deductions? Does this help my personal income taxes or is it totally seperate?

Im sure im not asking some things so if you can think of anything after reading this that I should know please include it. I just think this is a good way to combine my love for journalism and eating lol and want to make a nice hobby out of it.....and maybe make like $100/month to pay for small bills.

thanks guys

Can't do that. Either it is a for profit business, or it isn't. NEVER say it is a hobby. I've seen people who have a farm on the side that always loses money and then on an audit tell the IRS person that it is just a hobby.

Anyways. You can certainly try. You better keep perfect records on doing something like restaurant reviews. Are you talking about once a week? Or twice a day?

To me it would scream tax evasion. Trying to pass off your food expenses as a business.
 

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ok so the business is seperate, i kinda figured that.

I would say a once a week thing, def not everyday. i wouldnt try to expense my eating just to live.
 

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So i purchased a local website that is a restaurant review site. It is/was fairly popular but the owner let it sit for the last 6 months. Its a PR2 gets about 50 uniques a day, still, somehow...blah blah blah.

I don't know what that last sentence bolded above means, or if it's relevent.

How was this purchase structured, an asset sale or a stock sale?

Now to the tax question. One day I hope I can make a few bucks off the site selling ads and things like that. If I were to create a business and get a tax ID and everything else that goes with starting a business.....could I take the fees of hosting, going to restaurants to review them, and any other costs and use them as deductions? Does this help my personal income taxes or is it totally seperate?

There are several ways to structure a business, or several different types of 'enities'

1. Sole proprietor This is an unincorporated business. Generally no need to get a tax ID #, your SS# will suffice (However, if you have employees you will need to get an employer ID# from the IRS for filing payroll reports).

The income or loss from this business will affect your personal tax situation. The income or loss is computed (generally) on Sch C and attached to your personal return (Form 1040). The income or loss is carried to page 1 of your return (also goes to Sch SE where self-emloyment taxes are calculated)

2.S Corp. This is an incorporated business and you will need a tax ID# for it.

The income/loss will affect your personal tax situation. An S-corp does not pay income tax, rather the shareholder(s) agree to put their portion (assume 100% in your case) of it's income/loss on their personal tax return. You report it's income/loss on a Sch E attached to your return, the income/loss is carried to page 1 of your return. There is no self-employment tax.

3. Regular or C-corp. Again, this is incorporated and needs a tax ID#.

The income/loss from it will NOT your personal taxes. It pays it's own taxes. You just (generally) report any salary or dividends from profits you receive from it.

4. Partnership. Again, it's a legal entity (but a partnership instead of an incorporated entity) and it needs it's own tax ID#.

The income/loss will affect your personal taxes. A partnership doesn't pay income taxes, instead the partners put their share of it's income/loss on their personal returns. Again, goes on Sch E etc. However, in general profits from a partnership are subject to self-employment taxes.

5. A Limited Liability Company - or LLC This can be taxed as anything from #1-#4 above, depending upon an election you would make in it's first year. There is no such thing as an LLC tax return'

If there is only one owner ("member") it cannot be taxed as a partnership - #4

Th expenses of the business can be deductible. Depending upon how your purchase was structured (asset or stock) you may be able to deduct the cost of purchase.


Im sure im not asking some things so if you can think of anything after reading this that I should know please include it. I just think this is a good way to combine my love for journalism and eating lol and want to make a nice hobby out of it.....and maybe make like $100/month to pay for small bills.

thanks guys

"Hobby"?

There are hobby loss rules (google them irs.gov). Well here: http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=169490,00.html

If you make a profit in 3 out 5 yrs the presumption is that it is a business and losses will be allowed (this is relevent to entities above #1, 2, and 4). However, even if you have losses for all 5 yrs you still might be able to overcome th ehobby loss rules and get a deduction for the losses.

Edit: If it's a restaurant review site of course you can deduct the cost of the meals (and tips). You can deduct travel to the restaurant also.

I also see you intend to make a monthly profit, if so the hobby loss ruyles will not apply (the are only for disallowing losses, if no losses no problem)

Hope that helps,

Fern
 
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UDT89

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good luck competing with yelp

i agree. but i'm a 29 y/o male and i honestly never been to yelp.com. part of me wants to ask your purpose for coming to this thread if you couldnt answer my question, but i thank you for your concerns.

plus competing with yelp, as far as making money doing this, is fairly easy. As a local business owner are you going to be more inclined to advertise on a site that is strictly local traffic or one that is larger and might not be as targeted? Plus i bet they could afford whatever fee i would charge for the ads over what yelp.com charges

but i agree, yelp is huge.....and so is zagat.
 

UDT89

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fern thank you a ton for posting that. thanks for taking the time to do so, it is much appreciated.

id say it was an asset sale, b/c i bought the content to the site and the domains
 

Fern

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fern thank you a ton for posting that. thanks for taking the time to do so, it is much appreciated.

id say it was an asset sale, b/c i bought the content to the site and the domains

That's intangible property and you should be able to write it off (amortize) over 15 yrs.

Fern
 

JS80

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i agree. but i'm a 29 y/o male and i honestly never been to yelp.com. part of me wants to ask your purpose for coming to this thread if you couldnt answer my question, but i thank you for your concerns.

plus competing with yelp, as far as making money doing this, is fairly easy. As a local business owner are you going to be more inclined to advertise on a site that is strictly local traffic or one that is larger and might not be as targeted? Plus i bet they could afford whatever fee i would charge for the ads over what yelp.com charges

but i agree, yelp is huge.....and so is zagat.

Me = in the online ad business

Yelp is largely considered in our business a local player that is absolutely targeted down to as micro a region as you can get. And they dominate. And they are good at it. In fact, we tried to compete with big dollars, and we scrapped the plan. I assure you hundreds have tried what you tried and lost to Yelp.

Purpose of my post? Nothing really. I am just posting to elicit a reaction (and the fact that Fern answered your question thoroughly) and make you aware that you are competing against a well funded behemoth with a talented management team and engineers.
 
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UDT89

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point taken JS80. then i will just have to figure out a way to bite off yelp, get my link in some reviews then
 

JS80

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point taken JS80. then i will just have to figure out a way to bite off yelp, get my link in some reviews then

OK.

Also, let's just say we (my employer) explored competing with a $20m budget, a team of engineers, product people, etc., and we basically realized we had no shot in hell in competing against Yelp. AND we have LOCAL physical salespeople all over the country.
 
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