Tax Gross Ups...definition

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Qacer

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So, I was curious about tax gross ups and started reading up on it. This is probably the most amusing definition I found:

http://www.worldwideerc.org/gov-rel...cepts/Pages/tax-public-info-tax-gross-up.aspx

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Withholding and payroll taxes are required for all reimbursements of expenses not deductible or excludable as moving expenses, such as mortgage points, even if they are otherwise deductible. Generally, withholding is required at the time of the reimbursement, and the withheld taxes must be reported to IRS and deposited by the employer within specified periods.
Because reimbursements or payments of nondeductible moving expenses increase the employee’s taxable income, the employee will pay more tax and lose part of the benefit of the payment or reimbursement. Most employers alleviate this impact to some extent by paying the employee an additional amount to help with the tax liability. This tax assistance usually is referred to as "gross-up." The term refers to the fact that the employee is paid a larger gross amount so that the net benefit, after taxes, will approximate the moving expenses. The gross-up payment itself also is taxable to the employee and subject to withholding and payroll tax. Therefore, to fully tax protect the employee, the gross-up must itself be "grossed up," and the gross-up of the gross-up must be grossed up, and so on.
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So I guess if I'm promised $500, then I could possibly get $1 billion if they keep grossing up the gross up. :D

In reality, I guess this could also be a balancing act for the employee, since a tax gross up could possibly put you in a whole new tax bracket. Right?
 

the DRIZZLE

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So, I was curious about tax gross ups and started reading up on it. This is probably the most amusing definition I found:

http://www.worldwideerc.org/gov-rel...cepts/Pages/tax-public-info-tax-gross-up.aspx

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Withholding and payroll taxes are required for all reimbursements of expenses not deductible or excludable as moving expenses, such as mortgage points, even if they are otherwise deductible. Generally, withholding is required at the time of the reimbursement, and the withheld taxes must be reported to IRS and deposited by the employer within specified periods.
Because reimbursements or payments of nondeductible moving expenses increase the employee’s taxable income, the employee will pay more tax and lose part of the benefit of the payment or reimbursement. Most employers alleviate this impact to some extent by paying the employee an additional amount to help with the tax liability. This tax assistance usually is referred to as "gross-up." The term refers to the fact that the employee is paid a larger gross amount so that the net benefit, after taxes, will approximate the moving expenses. The gross-up payment itself also is taxable to the employee and subject to withholding and payroll tax. Therefore, to fully tax protect the employee, the gross-up must itself be "grossed up," and the gross-up of the gross-up must be grossed up, and so on.
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So I guess if I'm promised $500, then I could possibly get $1 billion if they keep grossing up the gross up. :D

In reality, I guess this could also be a balancing act for the employee, since a tax gross up could possibly put you in a whole new tax bracket. Right?

It shouldn't matter because the gross up should reflect your marginal tax rate. However, there are a handful of deductions that have hard cut offs so it is theoretically possible that it could end up costing you money but that would be quite rare.
 

Bignate603

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So I guess if I'm promised $500, then I could possibly get $1 billion if they keep grossing up the gross up. :D

No. Each step of "grossing up the gross up" would be a smaller and smaller amount, eventually being so small that they wouldn't bother.

In reality, I guess this could also be a balancing act for the employee, since a tax gross up could possibly put you in a whole new tax bracket. Right?

If they're doing right they'll take into account the effects of bumping into the next tax bracket.
 
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