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HomerJS said:
and that new welfare for farmers is going away when? Life is full of choices and those idiots weren't forced to vote for Trump.

Let them starve.
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I work with several local farmers. They work full time jobs because farming does not pay, in fact it is a losing proposition here in the upper Midwest. One of the guys works to stay afloat on the farm, about 1/3 of his pay goes to keep the farm solvent. When I ask why, it's because it's his family farm and it would kill his parents to lose it.

Regardless, I also rent out the land on 3 sides of my house to a local farmer. This year it is soybeans, typically it is corn. Last week the news that China is not buying any of our farmers soybeans was devastating, many farmers here planted beans instead of corn. My co-worker doesn't know what to do, but he will still vote for Trump again, even if he ends up having to sell his land and quit farming. That is how deep the derp goes. We talk frequently, but he still is convinced that Trump will win in the end. I don't even have the heart to needle him about his ignorance, because his conservative views have so clouded up his overall vision. The party of political cataracts indeed.
 
K1052 said:
Yeah, they're floating a payroll tax cut. Grassley who heads Senate finance went basically "wut?" so this is a well baked plan for certain.

Given Trump's increasingly panicked tweets and claims about how amazing the economy is we may be in more trouble than I suspected if they're taking desperate stabs at stuff to stimulate.
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If he really wanted to supercharge the economy he'd subsidize child care and/or pay off student loans. I could even be talked into forgiving one or two of his felonies if he were to do that.
 
dainthomas said:
If he really wanted to supercharge the economy he'd subsidize child care and/or pay off student loans. I could even be talked into forgiving one or two of his felonies if he were to do that.
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Didn't he or ivanka talk about offering free child care during his campaign? I guess what they say is true, talk is cheap and trump revels the billionaire lifestyle on the tax payers dime. Plus, making empty promises for donations is a no brainer.
 
ivwshane said:
Didn't he or ivanka talk about offering free child care during his campaign? I guess what they say is true, talk is cheap and trump revels the billionaire lifestyle on the tax payers dime. Plus, making empty promises for donations is a no brainer.
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city slicker came and wowed all the rural folk with his fancy speech. Basically history.txt
 
ivwshane said:
Didn't he or ivanka talk about offering free child care during his campaign? I guess what they say is true, talk is cheap and trump revels the billionaire lifestyle on the tax payers dime. Plus, making empty promises for donations is a no brainer.
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His experience with childcare as a rich person is likely a white in-home nanny. Once he realized middle class (and poors when they can afford it) entails an overcrowded center staffed by blacks and Latino “teachers” he likely lost interest.
 
glenn1 said:
His experience with childcare as a rich person is likely a white in-home nanny. Once he realized middle class (and poors when they can afford it) entails an overcrowded center staffed by blacks and Latino “teachers” he likely lost interest.
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Or he was just bullshitting as usual.
 
He was also talking about indexing capital gains to inflation by executive decree. Which is probably illegal (not that our Republican rigged courts care) but would also cause a huge sell off as people who have been holding assets for a while rush to sell while Trump is still in office.
 
glenn1 said:
^ This is why I support tax cuts, it's basically a first strike against people who would deficit spend to the same amount or more on welfare spending so the poors can have some more Cheetos and beer - you'd be better off burning the money. The tax money and deficit spending is going to happen, it's simply a matter of who gets to control it.
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Kill the poors for they are a drain on society and an affront against all that is decent.
 
K1052 said:
Basically yes. Trump giving up his tariffs and fostering a stable business climate would be far more productive than a payroll cut but he’s not going to do that. Instead we’re going to lurch down this same road with steadfast ineptitude and growing signs of economic trouble on the horizon.
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If you agree the economy is fine then stop bitching about a looming recession or economic troubles on the horizon.
The trade agreements between the US and China were coming to a head long before Trump took office. Every President before him just kept kicking the can down the road. He campaigned on the promise to do something about it and that is one of the many factors that got him elected. Your candidate didn't have a solution to the China problem and it's a problem whether you want to admit it or not.

You still haven't given me your take on my second question. It's ok though I didn't expect you to. Chicago Democrats rarely have any answers beyond tax and spend.
 
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bbhaag said:
If you agree the economy is fine then stop bitching about a looming recession or economic troubles on the horizon.
The trade agreements between the US and China were coming to a head long before Trump took office. Every President before him just kept kicking the can down the road. He campaigned on the promise to do something about it and that is one of the many factors that got him elected. Your candidate didn't have a solution to the China problem and it's a problem whether you want to admit it or not.

You still haven't given me your take on my second question. It's ok though I didn't expect you to. Chicago Democrats rarely have any answers beyond tax and spend.
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I don't know how you can look at the indicators and come to the conclusion that the there is no trouble on the horizon. You asked me if the economy is in recession now (obviously not) and if it was doing fine (arguably yes). Will the latter be true 12 months from now, I'm increasingly skeptical. Apparently so is the admin if they're worried.

Trump is a fucking moron that's trying to rebalance US trade deficits with tariffs to extract different agreements to accomplish that aim. It's not going to work and was an incredibly dumb idea in the first place because his understanding of a trade balance somehow relates to a corporate balance sheet and that we're "losing money". The new Canada-Mexico deal is living proof as he hails it as some revolution that will "fix" things when really it's a mostly cosmetic NAFTA retread that won't appreciably impact the trade balance.

The solution to dealing with China was to form some sort of an economic alliance with other nations to set the bar on our terms and requirements for international trade with like minded nations because we are far stronger together. Some sort of "partnership" if you will...

I am uninterested in your second question and it's not relevant to the issue at hand. If you want to IL bash go ahead and start a thread on it. I'm not required to engage it inside a topic that it has nothing to do with.
 
K1052 said:
I don't know how you can look at the indicators and come to the conclusion that the there is no trouble on the horizon. You asked me if the economy is in recession now (obviously not) and if it was doing fine (arguably yes). Will the latter be true 12 months from now, I'm increasingly skeptical. Apparently so is the admin if they're worried.

Trump is a fucking moron that's trying to rebalance US trade deficits with tariffs to extract different agreements to accomplish that aim. It's not going to work and was an incredibly dumb idea in the first place because his understanding of a trade balance somehow relates to a corporate balance sheet and that we're "losing money". The new Canada-Mexico deal is living proof as he hails it as some revolution that will "fix" things when really it's a mostly cosmetic NAFTA retread that won't appreciably impact the trade balance.

The solution to dealing with China was to form some sort of an economic alliance with other nations to set the bar on our terms and requirements for international trade with like minded nations because we are far stronger together. Some sort of "partnership" if you will...

I am uninterested in your second question and it's not relevant to the issue at hand. If you want to IL bash go ahead and start a thread on it. I'm not required to engage it inside a topic that it has nothing to do with.
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People trying to excuse Trump’s incompetence and failure in regards to China seem to increasingly be arguing that he had to ‘do something’ while conveniently ignoring that Obama was already doing something, just in a smart way, and Trump un-did it.

Trump has no one to blame but himself for his failures.
 
If you are paying attention to what trump says...you are doing it wrong.

Trump says shit for two reasons, to control what's being discussed in the news or to bolster himself. Either way, its always bull shit.
 
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