A while back Costco had a 30" Medion LCD TV that seemed to look alot like this LCD. Could that have been a rebranded Tatung? Anyway, 23 inch is a little small for me. If they had a 30" model with the same specs (1280 x 768 and 16Ms response time) I'd be very interested.
A while back Costco had a 30" Medion LCD TV that seemed to look alot like this LCD. Could that have been a rebranded Tatung? Anyway, 23 inch is a little small for me. If they had a 30" model with the same specs (1280 x 768 and 16Ms response time) I'd be very interested.
tatung does make medion's PCs. it would not surprise me if they built the tv also, but i am not 100% sure.
FYI: Info on HDTV resolutions straight from http://www.avsforum.com/hdtvfaq/HDTV-FAQ.htm:
Why are there so many DTV standards? Isn't that overly confusing? Can you explain them?
Actually, there are four basic DTV picture resolution standards. The additional options have to do with how fast the pictures are refreshed on your screen.
To start with; our analog TV system makes pictures with about 480 scan lines from the top to bottom of the TV screen that are refreshed 30 times per second. These are actually interlaced (alternating) scan lines - half the picture is traced in 1/60 of a second, and the other half in 1/60th of a second.
The DTV transmission standards do include a digital version of this 480‑line, 30 Hz signal known as 480i. The new DTV standards allow us to draw those 480 lines progressively, or all at once like a computer monitor. This 480p system results in a picture with fewer motion artifacts and no visible flicker-as if you were using a line-doubler.
Both 480i and 480p digital signals are considered to be Standard Definition Television (SDTV), for the images they present are not transmitted with any more vertical lines of picture information than the current NTSC system, and will often have the same aspect ratio (4:3). However, 480p images will appear to have improved vertical picture detail over 480I images, thanks to the use of progressive scanning.
Two DTV picture scan rates -- 1080 interlaced (1080i) and 720 progressive (720p) -- are considered High Definition Television.
In the 1080i system, 1080 picture scan lines are traced from top to bottom as interlaced fields (540 lines in the first field, and 540 lines in the second). There are 1920 pixels (picture-forming elements) on each line. Therefore, the total image resolution is 1920x1080, or just over 2 million pixels.
The 720p system scans 720 picture lines from top to bottom in 1/60th of a second, to eliminate flicker. There are 1280 pixels on each line, resulting in a total image resolution of 1280x720 or 921,600 pixels.
In the same time interval that one‑half of a 1080i image is shown -- or about 1 million pixels -- all of the 720p image will be scanned, or just under 1 million pixels. For this reason, proponents of the 720p system claim that it has the same perceived image resolution as the 1080i system. Indeed; tests have been done to verify this equality in perceived image detail. Only you can be the judge of that!
So I suppose that means that an hdtv only needs a physical resolution of 1920 pixels across and 540 pixels down to show a true 1080i image in all its glory? And then wouldnt that mean a 1080i image could be put thru a line doubler to give an even better image on a true 1920pixel x 1080pixel screen for 1080p?
Why are there so many DTV standards? Isn't that overly confusing? Can you explain them?
Actually, there are four basic DTV picture resolution standards. The additional options have to do with how fast the pictures are refreshed on your screen.
To start with; our analog TV system makes pictures with about 480 scan lines from the top to bottom of the TV screen that are refreshed 30 times per second. These are actually interlaced (alternating) scan lines - half the picture is traced in 1/60 of a second, and the other half in 1/60th of a second.
The DTV transmission standards do include a digital version of this 480‑line, 30 Hz signal known as 480i. The new DTV standards allow us to draw those 480 lines progressively, or all at once like a computer monitor. This 480p system results in a picture with fewer motion artifacts and no visible flicker-as if you were using a line-doubler.
Both 480i and 480p digital signals are considered to be Standard Definition Television (SDTV), for the images they present are not transmitted with any more vertical lines of picture information than the current NTSC system, and will often have the same aspect ratio (4:3). However, 480p images will appear to have improved vertical picture detail over 480I images, thanks to the use of progressive scanning.
Two DTV picture scan rates -- 1080 interlaced (1080i) and 720 progressive (720p) -- are considered High Definition Television.
In the 1080i system, 1080 picture scan lines are traced from top to bottom as interlaced fields (540 lines in the first field, and 540 lines in the second). There are 1920 pixels (picture-forming elements) on each line. Therefore, the total image resolution is 1920x1080, or just over 2 million pixels.
The 720p system scans 720 picture lines from top to bottom in 1/60th of a second, to eliminate flicker. There are 1280 pixels on each line, resulting in a total image resolution of 1280x720 or 921,600 pixels.
In the same time interval that one‑half of a 1080i image is shown -- or about 1 million pixels -- all of the 720p image will be scanned, or just under 1 million pixels. For this reason, proponents of the 720p system claim that it has the same perceived image resolution as the 1080i system. Indeed; tests have been done to verify this equality in perceived image detail. Only you can be the judge of that!
So I suppose that means that an hdtv only needs a physical resolution of 1920 pixels across and 540 pixels down to show a true 1080i image in all its glory? And then wouldnt that mean a 1080i image could be put thru a line doubler to give an even better image on a true 1920pixel x 1080pixel screen for 1080p?
no, you are making the same mistake the person up there is making. there are a total of 1080 pixels/lines from top to bottom, for 1080i. the displays the image interlaced however. meaning, it displays the odd number lines (line 1, 3, 5 ... 1079) in the first frame, then the even numbered lines (2, 4, 6 ... 1080) on the next frame. it is fast enough for the human not to notice, and it's what you've been watching your whole life. the side effect are jaggies during motion scenes. but you still need 1080 distinct and separate lines. you need 1920x1080 pixels to enjoy HDTV unscaled.
http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/dvd_players/progscan.asp
look at those pictures. here's some more
http://alvyray.com/DigitalTV/Naming_Proposal.htm
They do have a 30 incher as well, but it's $1848:
Tatung 30-inch LCD HDTV with Speakers and Wall-Mount Kit
I'd love to get one, but that's a lot of bank (almost double what I paid for my PC). I'm considering it, though, since I could really use a combo tv/monitor. Also, I'm still a little suspicious of the quality as a monitor...
EDIT:
Just read through the details...Slightly better brightness and contrast than the 23" model and...10ms response time?!?! Is that a typo?
I just recently sold my digital camera, a Canon Powershot A 70 3.2 Megapixel camera, a very nice one at that. The point being, if I still had it, I would be more than happy to take some nice close ups or even macro shots for you. The quailty of the Tatung 23" LCD HDTV PC Monitor is extremely high. I'm a total nerd when it comes to this stuff, not only do I get wood, I can smell cheapness 30 feet away. The seams, joints, finish, design is Way way up there. And as a PeeCee monitor, it does a fantastic job, zero blurring, brite, razor sharp and the color is beautiful. It's so cool to use the remote to go between TV and PC and the click of a button. Great when your burning a DVD and want to see whats on CNN 
$1200 w/ tax may seem like a lot, but for those of you who can swing it and have been wanting something bold, beautiful and screams out performance, this is what you have been looking for. And yes, I knew they had a 30" version as well, BUT at 30", my desktop icons at 1280 x 768 are going to be a little too big for my tastes. 23" seems to hit the sweet spot.
Cheers again,
Ralph
$1200 w/ tax may seem like a lot, but for those of you who can swing it and have been wanting something bold, beautiful and screams out performance, this is what you have been looking for. And yes, I knew they had a 30" version as well, BUT at 30", my desktop icons at 1280 x 768 are going to be a little too big for my tastes. 23" seems to hit the sweet spot.
Cheers again,
Ralph
Well but optimally to get the full 1080i resolution effect you'd want the full 1920x1080 resolution available but firing every other....that way the eye will see the whole 1920x1080 resolution...if you're using the same pixels to fire the different data the details wouldn't be in the right locations and the image would be moving a bit every time...
They do have 1920x1080 capable LCDs
And on a side note...they should come out with a higher resolution HDTV format that also runs at an even more ridiculously high FPS!
I think it should be 3000p at the very least, and 100FPS. And also, the video format should be a lossless compression format.
Only then can we truly experience high definition!
=p
Heh we already have the CMOS censors to shoot at this 3000p resolution(well, sort of...still pictures anyway). Now all we need is to get it up to 100FPS(possibly use 100 of them in some wacky array then shift each shot) and invent some sort of storage that could actually hold video like that and voila, who needs movie theaters then.
I think it should be 3000p at the very least, and 100FPS. And also, the video format should be a lossless compression format.
Only then can we truly experience high definition!
=p
Heh we already have the CMOS censors to shoot at this 3000p resolution(well, sort of...still pictures anyway). Now all we need is to get it up to 100FPS(possibly use 100 of them in some wacky array then shift each shot) and invent some sort of storage that could actually hold video like that and voila, who needs movie theaters then.
Wow, the specs for this Real Digital 22 looks awesome.
I might buy this for $900 just to try it out.
I might buy this for $900 just to try it out.
it should matter since that is only 480p max resolution and not 720p.
most of the cheaper 42" plasmas also only go up to this. technically this isnt even considered HDTV
In my opinion 852 x 480 would just suck big time. It might be okay for watching DVDs and standard definition video, but that's about all. It would be useless for hooking up to a PC as this resolution would be way too low. On whatever display your using now, try setting your desktop to 640 x 480 and see what happens. There just isn't enough room on the screen. Anyway, 1280 x 768, which the Tatung and many other LCD TVs support, would at least be not too bad.
Indeed, I believe it's sometimes refered to as EDTV. Those cheap plasmas are to sucker people who don't know any better into buying them because they think to themselves "Oooh, it's a Plasma. It's got to be great." when in fact they'd be much better off just getting a much cheaper direct view CRT which can really do HDTV resolutions.
Indeed, I believe it's sometimes refered to as EDTV. Those cheap plasmas are to sucker people who don't know any better into buying them because they think to themselves "Oooh, it's a Plasma. It's got to be great." when in fact they'd be much better off just getting a much cheaper direct view CRT which can really do HDTV resolutions.
Though 852x480 devices are a poor choice for PC applications, EDTV plasmas actually look very good for video, even with 720p and 1080i feed. Most uncalibrated CRT HDTV's can barely do much more than 700-900 lines (though that's not a well known, since as analog devices, they're more difficult to measure). 854x480 is ideal for SDTV, EDTV, and DVD's. With a 42" plasma, the difference between EDTV and the higher resolution ones (there's no such thing as a HDTV 42-46" plasma) is indistinguishable from a viewing distance of about 9-10' or more.
Whoa there. You might want to qualify the sweeping statements because you are on your way to contributing to common rumors regarding ED and HD TV's. Generally when I'm looking at someones viewing environment I'll recommend an EDTV plasma over an HDTV direct-view or RPTV more often than not. If budget is a problem than the direct view is certainly an option however I can't think of any reason I wouldn't recommend a $3000 EDTV plasma over a similarly priced DLP/LCD RPTV or a cheaper direct view if they have the money.
An EDTV certainly does not display 'true' HDTV, however (of course this is subjective, but I'm fairly certain I can make the following assertion), most people agree that HDTV is displayed quite well on an EDTV plasma. The most common difference I've seen when quantified is 10% if that - from more than 8 feet it's usually something like "There is no visible difference". A good EDTV plasma displaying an HD feed will definitely look very good if calibrated correctly. It's all about trade-off, really. The EDTV plasma is generally regarded as superior for viewing DVDs (same native resolution) and the same for SDTV, and as-good as for HDTV. For PC's you're obviously better off going with an HDTV set but I find even those who use their TV as a display for their PC spend more time watching tv/dvd's than they do using it for their PC anyway. If you truely do use it for the PC most of the time an HDTV RP or Direct view is probably for you.
When price is factored in it is no wonder the Panasonic 6UY EDTV is probably one of the best selling plasmas around. I could go on and on but I'm not going to - I just want to point out that EDTV plasmas are certainly not around to 'sucker' people into buying a plasma with an inferior picture.
As an aside I currently own a CRT RPTV and have no bias for plasmas. As a matter of fact I generally dislike them considering their prices, but if someone has the money (and doesn't want a front projection tv) I can't think of a better pq overall than an EDTV plasma for $3-$4k.
I find it funny the people thrashing EDTV plasmas don't own one, or have only seen one on display (not calibrated correctly). The panasonic ones are top notch.
plus, with plasmas (and lcd's) you get perfect geometry etc. don't have to worry about those, no convergence worries. those contribute to the picture as well.
plus, with plasmas (and lcd's) you get perfect geometry etc. don't have to worry about those, no convergence worries. those contribute to the picture as well.
Ya it's cool everyone has their own opinion on TVs, it's almost 100% subjective when it comes to PQ. It's really too bad that when you go into a best buy or whatever you're standing like 12 inches from the EDTV that's never been calibrated and is displaying some SD ad or something, it really does a diservice to people looking for a display. Same can be said for LCD's of course, but generally LCD's (for some reason, probably price) are more aggressivly sold in stores like BB, CC, and so on. I think a lot of people would change their tune if the display floor at chain stores was set up differently/less light/more calibration/dvd feeds etc. There are just a lot of unfortunate rumors I guess.
Anyway I'm going to be upgrading soon and I'll probably go with the 6UY Panasonic after a ton of research, I think the PQ is absolutely gorgeous but again, that's just my opinion.
Anyway I'm going to be upgrading soon and I'll probably go with the 6UY Panasonic after a ton of research, I think the PQ is absolutely gorgeous but again, that's just my opinion.
Why plasmas are viewed as bad...
Bad Plasma Bad! Off the Carpet!
Small Quote:
"Plasma sets are initially brilliant, vibrant colors and have excellent contrast ratios. However, Industry experience (as reported to us at CES2004) has been to classify Plasma sets as having a ?halflife? of about 10,000 to 20,000 hours. That means that in this period, the brightness of the set will degrade to half of the initial value. "
My personal problem with them is that the budget line of plasmas are too low res for my taste and my eyes notice...
Bad Plasma Bad! Off the Carpet!
Small Quote:
"Plasma sets are initially brilliant, vibrant colors and have excellent contrast ratios. However, Industry experience (as reported to us at CES2004) has been to classify Plasma sets as having a ?halflife? of about 10,000 to 20,000 hours. That means that in this period, the brightness of the set will degrade to half of the initial value. "
My personal problem with them is that the budget line of plasmas are too low res for my taste and my eyes notice...
Ya, unfortunately since no one has had a plasma for more than 4 years or so it's hard to get real half-life numbers. Panasonic says 30,000 hours now, some manufacturers say 60,000 hours. The company I work for runs displays using older 50 inch plasmas that run 24/7 and have been for ~2 years with no visible brightness loss or pq loss, and no burn in. Of course your settings have a lot to do with this - when you buy a plasma the contrast is set to 80%+, and if you leave it you're going to have brightness or burn-in problems for sure. I still think it's a shame how much misinformation is out there, like people telling you you need to re-fill your plasma screen with new gas or that they die in 1 year. :/
The resolution thing is definitely an issue. Some people see the screen-door effect like 15 feet away no matter what, in which case a 'true' HDTV is totally a better choice.
The resolution thing is definitely an issue. Some people see the screen-door effect like 15 feet away no matter what, in which case a 'true' HDTV is totally a better choice.
was at compusa today and was loooking at the Apple 23" Cinema HD Display.
thing had the aquarium screen saver going..looked like a real aquraium..thing is sweet.
this unit or dell 23 " comparble?
thing had the aquarium screen saver going..looked like a real aquraium..thing is sweet.
this unit or dell 23 " comparble?
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