Tata Nano may arrive in US in 2 years.

[LTC8K6]

Yep. Larger cars please.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed

Originally posted by: sdifox
I wonder what the insurance is going to be like.

Auto insurance or life insurance?

Auto... your life insurance shouldn't change based on your car choice 🙂

I hope.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Honestly, I don't think they can do both emissions and $2500. Something like $6,000 of a car's price is just getting it past all of the testing involved in making it legal for sale in the US.

I find that damned near impossible to believe...unless you're talking about 1 single car and not tens of thousands of them.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
this is guaranteed to be 10x more safe than a motorcycle.

So it's 7 times safer than a normal car?

Motorcycle injury rates are only 3x greater than automotive injury rates per mile ridden/driven. There's no possible way that the Tata can be "10x more safe than a motorcycle" when even a Hummer isn't.

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i'm bringing up other safety concerns such as motorcycles that are 100x more dangerous since a TOUCH of a car will guarantee injury. yet there is a pretty decent % of motorcycles-car ratio on the road.

No, you're bringing up bullshit since you clearly cannot be bothered to look up actual accident statistics and are clearly just pulling random numbers out of your behind.

The raw motorcycle death rates are 16x higher than automobiles, but that is misleading. When corrected for helmet use, motorcycle operator error (excessive speed), and unlicensed operators the actual fatality risk for a licensed motorcyclist wearing proper gear and operating within the speed limit is only 4-5x greater than in an automobile.

Actual information from NHTSA.

And to carry on the safety paranoia, per mile walked, pedestrians are 18 times more likely to be injured or killed than a motorcyclist. People who ride horseback are 25 times more likely per mile ridden to be killed or injured than motorcyclists.

Link for second set of statistics.

ZV

Do you have stats on bicycles?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: reallyscrued
:Q

...1300 pounds? What happens when it collides with a mid-size sedan?

Oh my jeebus.

How many times in your life have you collided with a mid-size sedan? :roll:

Go wrap yourself in a giant SUV for that false sense of security you seem to need.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: reallyscrued
:Q

...1300 pounds? What happens when it collides with a mid-size sedan?

Oh my jeebus.

How many times in your life have you collided with a mid-size sedan? :roll:

Go wrap yourself in a giant SUV for that false sense of security you seem to need.

What difference does that make? Fact - getting into a crash in this thing would not be ideal against any normal sized American car.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Honestly, I don't think they can do both emissions and $2500. Something like $6,000 of a car's price is just getting it past all of the testing involved in making it legal for sale in the US.

I find that damned near impossible to believe...unless you're talking about 1 single car and not tens of thousands of them.

The new emissions standards proposed would raise the price of a car by $1300 over what it is now...
link

Do you think all those gains over the last 30 years came free? Nope. That equipment and testing has to be paid for by someone, and that someone is people who buy cars. I know for a fact that I have over $2000 in just hardware alone, not considering R&D costs.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Honestly, I don't think they can do both emissions and $2500. Something like $6,000 of a car's price is just getting it past all of the testing involved in making it legal for sale in the US.

I find that damned near impossible to believe...unless you're talking about 1 single car and not tens of thousands of them.

The new emissions standards proposed would raise the price of a car by $1300 over what it is now...
link

Do you think all those gains over the last 30 years came free? Nope. That equipment and testing has to be paid for by someone, and that someone is people who buy cars. I know for a fact that I have over $2000 in just hardware alone, not considering R&D costs.

And those costs are absorbed by all the vehicles manufactured. Not just one.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: reallyscrued
:Q

...1300 pounds? What happens when it collides with a mid-size sedan?

Oh my jeebus.

How many times in your life have you collided with a mid-size sedan? :roll:

Go wrap yourself in a giant SUV for that false sense of security you seem to need.

What difference does that make? Fact - getting into a crash in this thing would not be ideal against any normal sized American car.

Yeah, and with defensive driving and common sense you can generally avoid most accident situations.

Your "fact" doesn't take into account the many many variables encountered in a car accident.

I've been driving for almost 30 years and I've had exactly one accident where I *might* have been injured if I were in a tiny little car. Would that stop me from ever buying a small car? No.

 

[lurk3r]

Originally posted by: reallyscrued
:Q

...1300 pounds? What happens when it collides with a mid-size sedan?

Oh my jeebus.

Mid sized sedan hell, My money's on the girlscout on her bike vs this one.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: reallyscrued
:Q

...1300 pounds? What happens when it collides with a mid-size sedan?

Oh my jeebus.

How many times in your life have you collided with a mid-size sedan? :roll:

Go wrap yourself in a giant SUV for that false sense of security you seem to need.

What difference does that make? Fact - getting into a crash in this thing would not be ideal against any normal sized American car.

Yeah, and with defensive driving and common sense you can generally avoid most accident situations.

Your "fact" doesn't take into account the many many variables encountered in a car accident.

I've been driving for almost 30 years and I've had exactly one accident where I *might* have been injured if I were in a tiny little car. Would that stop me from ever buying a small car? No.

All true, but you're sticking words in peoples' mouths IMHO. He never disputed any of that, but this car isn't as safe in current form as a Toyota Corolla, not even close.

Sure, it's even smaller which could help you avoid some accidents, but not all. Some of that may even be offset by the fact that this car has zero balls and couldn't get out of its own way if it had to.

No car will protect you from everything but for me, I'd like to at least know that I'd have a chance to survive a t-bone against a riding lawn mower.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: reallyscrued
:Q

...1300 pounds? What happens when it collides with a mid-size sedan?

Oh my jeebus.

How many times in your life have you collided with a mid-size sedan? :roll:

Go wrap yourself in a giant SUV for that false sense of security you seem to need.

What difference does that make? Fact - getting into a crash in this thing would not be ideal against any normal sized American car.

Yeah, and with defensive driving and common sense you can generally avoid most accident situations.

Your "fact" doesn't take into account the many many variables encountered in a car accident.

I've been driving for almost 30 years and I've had exactly one accident where I *might* have been injured if I were in a tiny little car. Would that stop me from ever buying a small car? No.

All true, but you're sticking words in peoples' mouths IMHO. He never disputed any of that, but this car isn't as safe in current form as a Toyota Corolla, not even close.

Sure, it's even smaller which could help you avoid some accidents, but not all. Some of that may even be offset by the fact that this car has zero balls and couldn't get out of its own way if it had to.

No car will protect you from everything but for me, I'd like to at least know that I'd have a chance to survive a t-bone against a riding lawn mower.

How about this, you pay attention to what you're doing behind the wheel (that means no texting, or yaking on the phone, or reading a book, or surfing the internet, or putting on make-up) and then it won't matter what everyone drives because there won't be any accidents. 😛

 

[zoiks]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: reallyscrued
:Q

...1300 pounds? What happens when it collides with a mid-size sedan?

Oh my jeebus.

How many times in your life have you collided with a mid-size sedan? :roll:

Go wrap yourself in a giant SUV for that false sense of security you seem to need.

What difference does that make? Fact - getting into a crash in this thing would not be ideal against any normal sized American car.

Yeah, and with defensive driving and common sense you can generally avoid most accident situations.

Your "fact" doesn't take into account the many many variables encountered in a car accident.

I've been driving for almost 30 years and I've had exactly one accident where I *might* have been injured if I were in a tiny little car. Would that stop me from ever buying a small car? No.

All true, but you're sticking words in peoples' mouths IMHO. He never disputed any of that, but this car isn't as safe in current form as a Toyota Corolla, not even close.

Sure, it's even smaller which could help you avoid some accidents, but not all. Some of that may even be offset by the fact that this car has zero balls and couldn't get out of its own way if it had to.

No car will protect you from everything but for me, I'd like to at least know that I'd have a chance to survive a t-bone against a riding lawn mower.

How about this, you pay attention to what you're doing behind the wheel (that means no texting, or yaking on the phone, or reading a book, or surfing the internet, or putting on make-up) and then it won't matter what everyone drives because there won't be any accidents. 😛

Not really. It goes without saying that often accidents will happen regardless if you're alert or not. Car pileups, people driving right in front of you gabbing on their phones etc. I expect that the Nano will do okay with lovetaps but will become crunched up high flying projectile when it comes in contact with another vehicle (larger).

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Honestly, I don't think they can do both emissions and $2500. Something like $6,000 of a car's price is just getting it past all of the testing involved in making it legal for sale in the US.

I find that damned near impossible to believe...unless you're talking about 1 single car and not tens of thousands of them.

The new emissions standards proposed would raise the price of a car by $1300 over what it is now...
link

Do you think all those gains over the last 30 years came free? Nope. That equipment and testing has to be paid for by someone, and that someone is people who buy cars. I know for a fact that I have over $2000 in just hardware alone, not considering R&D costs.

And those costs are absorbed by all the vehicles manufactured. Not just one.

I don't think he's that far off. Even if you ignore development costs the extra equipment required to meet the emissions requirements are not cheap. You need to have a more expensive assembly process now because you have more parts and a more expensive supply chain to deal with it. A modern car can have hundreds of dollars in sensors, at least one cat, EGR valve, charcoal canister, etc... It adds up.

Also, once you beef up the car to pass crash testing it will be heavier. Combine that with Americans wanting enough power to cruise on highways and they may consider making more powerful. I doubt that $2500 includes AC which most people will want. It all adds up. $5000 might be doable

 

[LOUISSSSS]

even at 5k, it'd be a steal for cheap transportation that isn't a motorcycle.

 

[hydroponik]

I'd get one for a winter beater maybe...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: zoiks

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: reallyscrued
:Q

...1300 pounds? What happens when it collides with a mid-size sedan?

Oh my jeebus.

How many times in your life have you collided with a mid-size sedan? :roll:

Go wrap yourself in a giant SUV for that false sense of security you seem to need.

What difference does that make? Fact - getting into a crash in this thing would not be ideal against any normal sized American car.

Yeah, and with defensive driving and common sense you can generally avoid most accident situations.

Your "fact" doesn't take into account the many many variables encountered in a car accident.

I've been driving for almost 30 years and I've had exactly one accident where I *might* have been injured if I were in a tiny little car. Would that stop me from ever buying a small car? No.

All true, but you're sticking words in peoples' mouths IMHO. He never disputed any of that, but this car isn't as safe in current form as a Toyota Corolla, not even close.

Sure, it's even smaller which could help you avoid some accidents, but not all. Some of that may even be offset by the fact that this car has zero balls and couldn't get out of its own way if it had to.

No car will protect you from everything but for me, I'd like to at least know that I'd have a chance to survive a t-bone against a riding lawn mower.

How about this, you pay attention to what you're doing behind the wheel (that means no texting, or yaking on the phone, or reading a book, or surfing the internet, or putting on make-up) and then it won't matter what everyone drives because there won't be any accidents. 😛

Not really. It goes without saying that often accidents will happen regardless if you're alert or not. Car pileups, people driving right in front of you gabbing on their phones etc. I expect that the Nano will do okay with lovetaps but will become crunched up high flying projectile when it comes in contact with another vehicle (larger).

Bullshit. I've been driving for decades and for some strange reason I haven't been in an accident since 1997 and that was some guy changing lanes without looking first. I would have been just fine in a Nano in that situation.

This isn't the movies Forrest. Shit does happen...but it doesn't happen as often as you might think and contrary to what you see on the boob-tube and in crash test videos you actually do have some control over these things.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Honestly, I don't think they can do both emissions and $2500. Something like $6,000 of a car's price is just getting it past all of the testing involved in making it legal for sale in the US.

I find that damned near impossible to believe...unless you're talking about 1 single car and not tens of thousands of them.

The new emissions standards proposed would raise the price of a car by $1300 over what it is now...
link

Do you think all those gains over the last 30 years came free? Nope. That equipment and testing has to be paid for by someone, and that someone is people who buy cars. I know for a fact that I have over $2000 in just hardware alone, not considering R&D costs.

And those costs are absorbed by all the vehicles manufactured. Not just one.

I don't think he's that far off. Even if you ignore development costs the extra equipment required to meet the emissions requirements are not cheap. You need to have a more expensive assembly process now because you have more parts and a more expensive supply chain to deal with it. A modern car can have hundreds of dollars in sensors, at least one cat, EGR valve, charcoal canister, etc... It adds up.

Also, once you beef up the car to pass crash testing it will be heavier. Combine that with Americans wanting enough power to cruise on highways and they may consider making more powerful. I doubt that $2500 includes AC which most people will want. It all adds up. $5000 might be doable

Well, that's $1000 less than the cost to make it street legal according to demon-xthenshenskthxbaighsnd.

BTW-Are we talking cost here or sales price?

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Honestly, I don't think they can do both emissions and $2500. Something like $6,000 of a car's price is just getting it past all of the testing involved in making it legal for sale in the US.

I find that damned near impossible to believe...unless you're talking about 1 single car and not tens of thousands of them.

The new emissions standards proposed would raise the price of a car by $1300 over what it is now...
link

Do you think all those gains over the last 30 years came free? Nope. That equipment and testing has to be paid for by someone, and that someone is people who buy cars. I know for a fact that I have over $2000 in just hardware alone, not considering R&D costs.

And those costs are absorbed by all the vehicles manufactured. Not just one.

I don't think he's that far off. Even if you ignore development costs the extra equipment required to meet the emissions requirements are not cheap. You need to have a more expensive assembly process now because you have more parts and a more expensive supply chain to deal with it. A modern car can have hundreds of dollars in sensors, at least one cat, EGR valve, charcoal canister, etc... It adds up.

Also, once you beef up the car to pass crash testing it will be heavier. Combine that with Americans wanting enough power to cruise on highways and they may consider making more powerful. I doubt that $2500 includes AC which most people will want. It all adds up. $5000 might be doable

Well, that's $1000 less than the cost to make it street legal according to demon-xthenshenskthxbaighsnd.

BTW-Are we talking cost here or sales price?

I was talking sale price, though $5000 is purely speculative. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at seeing $6,000 or $4,000 because it really depends on how close they are right now. It's a given that it will require some significant changes but its hard to know exactly how much it will require without pulling one apart.

If it goes much over $6k though I don't think its going to do well. The cost to jump up to a versa or accent starts to look pretty small for what you get.

 

[MovingTarget]

If they can keep it under $5k, I think it will be a hit. We are in a recession afterall and people will be hurting for quite some time. We are in need of a true 'people's car' here in the states that people can actually afford on a blue-collar income.