Tape shows Shalit 'safe and well'

[kylebisme]

You can find the full article with video here. Here is an excript.

Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit has been seen in the first video to be released since his capture in June 2006 by Palestinian militant group Hamas.

In the film, sent by Hamas in exchange for the release of 20 Palestinian women prisoners, Sgt Shalit looks healthy and says he is being treated "fine".

He said Israel should "not waste" the chance to make a deal with his captors.

Nineteen of the Palestinian prisoners were freed earlier, amid emotional scenes in the West Bank and Gaza.

Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas in Gaza, claimed the deal was a "triumph" for the armed Palestinian resistance, and called it a "day of great hope", Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the road to Sgt Shalit's release would be "long and difficult", but "the knowledge that he is safe and well should encourage us all".

I'm at a loss as to what grounds Netanyahu could have for insisting that getting Shalit released will be a "long and difficult" task to accomplish, other than perhaps the propaganda value in playing the situation up. While Hamas is asking for Israel to release at least 1,000 prisoners in exchange for Shalit; it isn't as if any would even actually be freed, as they would still be left to live under Israel control in the Palestinian territories with the millions of others Israel countries to deny civil rights to there.

Regardless, it is good to see Shalit not only been surviving his captivity, but seems to have done well to keep his wits together though it. I hope Netanyahu will see his way clear to expediting Shalit's release, as it has been put off far too long already, with out any tangible reason as to why.

 

[alphatarget1]

Poor guy's been a POW for 3 years :/

 

[Sinsear]

Israel should execute 1 Palestinian prisoner a day untill he is released.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
with out any tangible reason as to why.

really? You think the terrorist's demands are reasonable?

 

[SandEagle]

how convenient that Shalit news comes up right around the time the Goldstone report is released. No coverage whatsoever on the report and the war crimes committed by the IOF.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Poor guy's been a POW for 3 years :/

Yeah, being held prisoner indefinitely and in denial of habeas corpus is not a fate I'd wish on anyone.

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
really? You think the terrorist's demands are reasonable?

I've yet to see an well informed and demonstratively rational argument to the contrary.

Originally posted by: SandEagle
how convenient that Shalit news comes up right around the time the Goldstone report is released. No coverage whatsoever on the report and the war crimes committed by the IOF.

Excellent point, I had yet to consider the timing. Granted their has been some news on the report of the war crimes committed in the Gaza massacre, like Israel's attempt to extort the PA into disavowing the Goldstone report, as noted here:

...Israel has warned the Palestinian Authority that it would condition permission for a second cellular telephone provider to operate in the West Bank - an economic issue of critical importance to the PA leadership - on the Palestinians withdrawing their request at the International Court.

And, with US backing, Israel's refusal to face justice seems to have won out, as noted here:

This week the United States (loathe to pressure Israel on anything) used its pressure on the Palestinian Authority to get the Palestinians to request the UN to defer consideration of the Goldstone Report on war crimes in Gaza.

But I suppose many would argue that "those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites".

 

[Freshgeardude]

you think that 1000 prisoners for one POW is reasonable? are you retarded?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
you think that 1000 prisoners for one POW is reasonable? are you retarded?

lol, aren't hamas apologists cute?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
you think that 1000 prisoners for one POW is reasonable? are you retarded?

No, actually coming from a 9/11 truther like Kylebisme who believes it is very reasonable, considering he is a Palestinian sympathizer and belives everything is israel`s fault.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
you think that 1000 prisoners for one POW is reasonable?

I know the situation is far more compelcated than you suggest, and being familiar with the complexities of that situation, I've yet to see a rational argument to suggest the offer is anything but reasonable.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
are you retarded?

Considering your inability to construct a well informed and demonstratively rational argument to back your position, I contend that your question would better be directed at yourself.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
No, actually coming from a 9/11 truther like Kylebisme who believes it is very reasonable...

And yet again you fall back on your pride in being a 9/11 falser to dodge your inablity to present a well informed and demonstratively rational argument to back your position.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
...considering he is a Palestinian sympathizer...

I have sympathy for all individuals, while you obviously lack such humanity.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
...and belives everything is israel`s fault.

Here you are slandering me with lies yet again.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Please justify why 20Palistinian prisoners should be released for a video?

How many more should you feel be released for the actual person? 1000.

So that is the worth to you of a Palestinian 1000 to 1. What a cheapening of life!

 

[TheSkinsFan]

20 prisoners for a video? "At least 1000" terrorists for one kidnapped Israeli soldier? And this is somehow "reasonable"?!?

I'm with Freshgear on this one -- you're absolutely fucking retarded. And, the fact that you're also a truther is relevant in that it speaks to your character and grasp on reality, or lack thereof.

Waterheads like you should not be allowed to use "rational" in a sentence.

 

[Freshgeardude]

I have already discussed this arguement plenty of times before. you are only saying the bullshit out of your mouth because you want to try and pretend to everyone I have never talked about this, nor do I have a backing.

I have a backing. you were in the argument with me before. stop trying to make bullshit anti-israel propaganda

No way in fucking HELL is it fair for 1 POW (which hamas apparently still wants peace) for 1000 prisoners! Let it be known that these 1000 are not pick and choose. hamas has picked these people because they are the ones who WILL attack israel again in the future, and not just something like a robbery or whatnot


I can not understand how any rational human being can think that it is fair. can I please have some of what you are smoking kylebisme? this alone shows how biased against israel you are. I am sure you are some islamic born person who had a parent living in one of the shitholes their own people put themselves in.

I am not going to listen to your crap anymore. all you do is spew crap out and plenty of people on this forum who are logical know the truth. and let it be known, what you are trying to say is BULLSHIT.

Plenty of history has shown israel has always looked for peace, they have tried negotiations and they are always ready. they do not put restrictions. they do not put demands. they do not ask for unconditional cease fires. they do not come to a peace meeting without wanting to sit at the same table with their adversaries.

when you learn how much shit Israel has gone through from your arab brethren and STILL want peace come back and talk.

if the world didnt stop Israel in their defenses when they were attacked, israel as a country would be Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and possibly Saudi Arabia (but i wouldnt expect that far) Israel has given back land that they have gotten in times of war when they did nothing to start it. Egypt and Jordan have learned to keep peace with Israel. they have no fights. lebanon, syria and the other countries should learn the same. Israel has never lost a war they were dragged into and they wont stop defending themselves any time soon.


http://forums.anandtech.com/me...&keyword1=gilad+shalit

now go through that entire thread. that is all the argument i need

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Please justify why 1000 Palistinian prisoners should be released for a video?

Please come to grips with reality and face the fact that no one suggested anything of the sort.

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
How many more should you feel be released for the actual person?

I believe Israel should release every last Palestinian they hold under their control, all 4 million of them, with the dangerous currently kept prisoner by Israel being transferred to the custody of the Palestinian Authority. That said, Hamas is willing to settle for 1000 Palestinian held in Israeli prisons in exchange for the release of Shalit, which I consider a reasonable compromise considering the balance of powers in the situation at hand.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
I have a backing.

You have hot air.

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
I can not understand how any rational human being can think that it is fair.

Of course you can't, as to accomplish that you'd first have to understand what it means to be a rational human being.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
That said, Hamas is willing to settle for 1000 Palestinian held in Israeli prisons in exchange for the release of Shalit, which I consider a reasonably compromise considering the balance of powers in the situation at hand.

wow... just wow.

 

[kylebisme]

Assuming you are not wowing at the grammatical error I just went back and fixed, am I to take it you are taking issue with my suggestion that there Israel has an overwhelming upper hand in the balance of power here? If so, I suggest you look a bit deeper into the specifics of this conflict, at least if you have any interest in overcoming such confusion.

 

[EagleKeeper]

So Israel releases x number of prisoners; that encourages the Palestinians to capture another Israeli and repeat the cycle.

I have edited my post - was not thinking clearly in the numbers I put; however, how cheap do you consider the Palestinian lives? 1000 for 1 seems fairly cheap.

 

[Nebor]

Since when does Israel negotiate with terrorists? This is absolute bullshit. An Israeli soldier lies in the hands of terrorists. Start firing a 155mm shell every minute into Palestinian neighborhoods until Sgt Shalit is released. If you make the consequences of terrorisms horrifying enough, it will stop. They try to portray a huge humanitarian crisis to the media, I say give 'em one. Schools, hospitals, let these people know who they're dealing with, and that 1000 of their lives are WORTHLESS compared to one of ours.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: kylebisme
That said, Hamas is willing to settle for 1000 Palestinian held in Israeli prisons in exchange for the release of Shalit, which I consider a reasonably compromise considering the balance of powers in the situation at hand.

wow... just wow.

don`t forget kylebisme is a 9/11 troother so his outlook on life is already screwed up...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Freshgeardude
you think that 1000 prisoners for one POW is reasonable? are you retarded?

don`t forget kylebisme is a 9/11 troother so his outlook on life is already screwed up...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
So Israel releases x number of prisoners; that encourages the Palestinians to capture another Israeli and repeat the cycle.

I have edited my post - was not thinking clearly in the numbers I put; however, how cheap do you consider the Palestinian lives? 1000 for 1 seems fairly cheap.

don`t forget kylebisme is a 9/11 troother so his outlook on life is already screwed up...

 

[TruePaige]

If Palestine existed...man they'd be under attack right now.

 

[dahunan]

they should have treated him the same way the IDF treated people in their last incursion and all the other times they raped neighborhoods of all dignity creating more hatred for them

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dahunan
they should have treated him the same way the IDF treated people in their last incursion and all the other times they raped neighborhoods of all dignity creating more hatred for them

yada yada yada....