Tape: Bush, Chertoff Warned Before Katrina

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: NFS4
I'd like to ask, how exactly did this video get out? Were they "leaked?"

That's the only logical explanation. I can't see them wanting this to get out.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: NFS4
I'd like to ask, how exactly did this video get out? Were they "leaked?"

That's the only logical explanation. I can't see them wanting this to get out.

Let's see....who took the biggest profile hit after Katrina? Brownie? Who's trying to rehabilitate his image right now? Brownie?

 

[techs]

We can debate all day the specifics of who was to blame.
The more important question is why time and time and time and time again major failures of the Executive branch need to be debated due to colossal failures.
From 9-11 to katrina to Iraq at some point even the most brainwashed human being has to ask themselves:
Why are all these things happening on Bushes watch?
And isn't it time to blame the leader for the string of failures?

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: NFS4
I'd like to ask, how exactly did this video get out? Were they "leaked?"

That's the only logical explanation. I can't see them wanting this to get out.

Let's see....who took the biggest profile hit after Katrina? Brownie? Who's trying to rehabilitate his image right now? Brownie?

Who actually looked like he was trying to do something before the storm hit? Brownie. Who actually asked questions before the storm hit? Brownie.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: NFS4
I'd like to ask, how exactly did this video get out? Were they "leaked?"

That's the only logical explanation. I can't see them wanting this to get out.

Let's see....who took the biggest profile hit after Katrina? Brownie? Who's trying to rehabilitate his image right now? Brownie?

Who actually looked like he was trying to do something before the storm hit? Brownie. Who actually asked questions before the storm hit? Brownie.

My point exactly. He is the most likely candidate (IMHO) to have released these tapes since they show him in a very favorable light after he's been taking months and months of beatings in the media and lost his job.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: NFS4
I'd like to ask, how exactly did this video get out? Were they "leaked?"

That's the only logical explanation. I can't see them wanting this to get out.

Let's see....who took the biggest profile hit after Katrina? Brownie? Who's trying to rehabilitate his image right now? Brownie?

Who actually looked like he was trying to do something before the storm hit? Brownie. Who actually asked questions before the storm hit? Brownie.

My point exactly. He is the most likely candidate (IMHO) to have released these tapes since they show him in a very favorable light after he's been taking months and months of beatings in the media and lost his job.

So what does it matter where they came from?????

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: NFS4
I'd like to ask, how exactly did this video get out? Were they "leaked?"

That's the only logical explanation. I can't see them wanting this to get out.

Let's see....who took the biggest profile hit after Katrina? Brownie? Who's trying to rehabilitate his image right now? Brownie?

Hmmm why so down on Brownie? I think I would do everything I could do to show I wasn't 100% responsible at the federal level. I'm not excusing him at all, but ffs, why are you excusing dumbya?

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: NFS4
I'd like to ask, how exactly did this video get out? Were they "leaked?"

That's the only logical explanation. I can't see them wanting this to get out.

Let's see....who took the biggest profile hit after Katrina? Brownie? Who's trying to rehabilitate his image right now? Brownie?

Who actually looked like he was trying to do something before the storm hit? Brownie. Who actually asked questions before the storm hit? Brownie.

My point exactly. He is the most likely candidate (IMHO) to have released these tapes since they show him in a very favorable light after he's been taking months and months of beatings in the media and lost his job.

My guess too. Or someone sympathetic to him still inside. Still don't think he was qualified to be there, but he looked like he knew what he was doing more than anyone else. That is comparing him to the idiot-in-chief, however. Not really saying much.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: NFS4
I'd like to ask, how exactly did this video get out? Were they "leaked?"

That's the only logical explanation. I can't see them wanting this to get out.

Let's see....who took the biggest profile hit after Katrina? Brownie? Who's trying to rehabilitate his image right now? Brownie?

Hmmm why so down on Brownie? I think I would do everything I could do to show I wasn't 100% responsible at the federal level. I'm not excusing him at all, but ffs, why are you excusing dumbya?

Not excusing anybody or down on anybody. NFS4 asked how the video came out. I put down what I thought was the likely source and the reason why. Capeesh?

 

[Pens1566]

Capice. 🙂

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Capice. 🙂

ehhh...it shows up under Dictionary.com as "capeesh" as well. 🙂

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Si, capice, but you seem to be another apologist. If I'm wrong, I do apologize (ironic isn't it)

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Si, capice, but you seem to be another apologist. If I'm wrong, I do apologize (ironic isn't it)

Nope. I don't know how many times I have to say that the response to Katrina was fumbled at the local, state, and federal levels before people stop calling me an apologist.

I just vehemently disagree with how the AP story is being portrayed and what Bush actually said.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

It's pretty clear what they said, they said there would be an issue with the levees (or could be). dumbya said "noone could anticipate a breach in the levees". Doesn't breach=problem? Doesn't problem=breach?
This isn't the fuzzy math we're so used to, it's fuzzy grammar. Plus, why in the hell didn't he as 1 question? Not 1. That is beyond pathetic, unacceptable and unfortunately, completely the status quo for this administration.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
It's pretty clear what they said, they said there would be an issue with the levees (or could be). dumbya said "noone could anticipate a breach in the levees". Doesn't breach=problem? Doesn't problem=breach?
This isn't the fuzzy math we're so used to, it's fuzzy grammar. Plus, why in the hell didn't he as 1 question? Not 1. That is beyond pathetic, unacceptable and unfortunately, completely the status quo for this administration.

A breach is a problem but it is a problem at the catastrophic level. A topping is a problem but it is one that NO could have recovered from relatively quickly.

Just look at the pictures of New Orleans immediately after Katrina passed and just before the levees broke. Then look at the pictures after the levees broke. That is the difference.

If you go and read the LA Times piece on this story, you find this:

The AP video does not include footage of Chertoff asking Brown whether he needs any other help or of Chertoff asking whether Brown wants him to approach the Department of Defense. Transcripts show that to both questions, Brown indicated that no additional assistance was needed.

In the transcript of a briefing the following day, Aug. 29, Brown is quoted as saying that Bush "is very engaged, and he's asking a lot of really good questions I would expect him to ask."

That Aug. 29 transcript showed that hours after the hurricane hit, federal and state officials remained optimistic about handling the disaster and were unaware that the levees in New Orleans were failing.

 

[Pens1566]

In case anyone is interested, topping the berm-style levees actually destroys their structural integrity leading to a complete collapse. Water that goes over washes away the supporting ground causing the levee to fail. Semantics aside, water past where it is supposed to be = catastrophic.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Nope. I don't know how many times I have to say that the response to Katrina was fumbled at the local, state, and federal levels before people stop calling me an apologist.

Well, it would help if you called Bush the worst leader in the history of the western world, who looks like a monkey, thinks like a monkey, and talks like a monkey, except that monkey's are typically more truthful.

I doubt anyone would think of you as an apologist in that case.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: TylerP
They were ready. Near every report says they were. The governor of LA (that is a state abriviation) and the gov of NO (that is a city abriviation) are the ones that didn't make the call.

Just take a look at the Ferderal Laws and LA state laws that are in place for situations like this.

Also, this same info was made available to LA officials.

Just saying.

not to be critical, but it would be quicker to spell out words if you've got to explain what the abbreviations are.. 🙂

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: Queasy
Nope. I don't know how many times I have to say that the response to Katrina was fumbled at the local, state, and federal levels before people stop calling me an apologist.

Well, it would help if you called Bush the worst leader in the history of the western world, who looks like a monkey, thinks like a monkey, and talks like a monkey, except that monkey's are typically more truthful.

I doubt anyone would think of you as an apologist in that case.

Please stop insulting monkeys. I doubt they've done anything to you. 😛

 

[acemcmac]

Is there any place I can download this video? Looking for a direct link.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
Is there any place I can download this video? Looking for a direct link.

The interview where Bush LIES is around 3:24 into the discussion.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/03/01.html#a7356

Mayor Ray Nagin's Response to AP Bush/Katrina Tape (Video)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co.../video/2006/03/01/VI2006030102014.html

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: acemcmac
Is there any place I can download this video? Looking for a direct link.

The interview where Bush LIES is around 3:24 into the discussion.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/03/01.html#a7356

Mayor Ray Nagin's Response to AP Bush/Katrina Tape (Video)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co.../video/2006/03/01/VI2006030102014.html

"I don't think any model can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not but that is obviously a very, very grave concern," Mayfield told the briefing."

Bush said nobody expected a breach.

Big difference between topping and a breach as I've already pointed out time and again in this thread.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: acemcmac
Is there any place I can download this video? Looking for a direct link.

The interview where Bush LIES is around 3:24 into the discussion.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/03/01.html#a7356

Mayor Ray Nagin's Response to AP Bush/Katrina Tape (Video)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co.../video/2006/03/01/VI2006030102014.html

"I don't think any model can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not but that is obviously a very, very grave concern," Mayfield told the briefing."

Bush said nobody expected a breach.

Big difference between topping and a breach as I've already pointed out time and again in this thread.

I have read the thread, the only difference appears to be what you are making of it. Everyone else seems to think that the natural progression of a levee "topping" is a breeched levee.

but you seem to be the expert so *shrug*

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
My "favorite" part:

Bush didn't ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29,

I guess "Met Pet Goat" is just as engrossing the second time around. :roll:

Why should he? This suprises you? As Bush gazes around the diamond-studded $20,000-a-plate crowd at his fundraisers..

"This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores! Some people call you the elites; I call you my base." -GWB

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: OrByte

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: acemcmac
Is there any place I can download this video? Looking for a direct link.

The interview where Bush LIES is around 3:24 into the discussion.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/03/01.html#a7356

Mayor Ray Nagin's Response to AP Bush/Katrina Tape (Video)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co.../video/2006/03/01/VI2006030102014.html

"I don't think any model can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not but that is obviously a very, very grave concern," Mayfield told the briefing."

Bush said nobody expected a breach.

Big difference between topping and a breach as I've already pointed out time and again in this thread.

I have read the thread, the only difference appears to be what you are making of it. Everyone else seems to think that the natural progression of a levee "topping" is a breeched levee.

but you seem to be the expert so *shrug*

The natural progression of a "topped" levee is that water is pushed over the top by wind and waves, floods the surrounding area, and then the flooding stops once the water levels subsides to the level of the levees and the wind stops.

A breached levee is an engineering failure that results in catastrophic flooding because the millions of gallons of water it was holding back gets dumped into the city and there is no way to stop it until the water levels are equalized.

Remembering back to media and experts prior to Katrina hitting, everyone was worried about NO flooding because of water topping the levees. I don't recall anybody saying that an engineering disaster was possible.

edit: And I don't think it should even take an expert to see this. Just common sense. When I first saw the report on the local news and they framed it the exact same way that the AP did I was stunned. First they said it was a huge scandal because Bush was warned about the levees being breached and they had the video to prove it! I immediately thought, "Oh man, if they have video of someone telling Bush that a structural failure of the levees was a real possibility then he is so screwed." Then they showed the infamous Bush quote where he said nobody expected the levees to break. Then they showed the teleconference video of the director of the national hurricane center warning of a topping of the levees. I then thought, "That's it? That's the best they can come up with!? A topping isn't anything like a breach."