Talk me out of getting some FM2+ A8-7600 rigs

VirtualLarry

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Well, I posted in my "Going green" thread that I had made an executive decision, and purchased a pair of Bay Trail-M (Celeron N2830) laptops, for use for my secondary rigs.

I was using one of them for a few days, just as a laptop, and I thought it was alright, performance-wise. Skype takes up 50-55% CPU, which is much better than the 95-97% CPU on the C-70 NanoPCs I had. So there is enough CPU horsepower to Skype, listen to internet radio, and web browse at the same time.

But then, I heard about the A8-7600 (I think that's the model), a 65W / 45W cTDP APU, with GCN shaders (forget how many), and a quad-core at up to 3.8Ghz to boot. Not bad at all.

So then I started to think about using them for DC.

What really got me thinking, was that TigerDirect has some MSI A55M FM2+ mobos for $27.99 FS AC until tomorrow.

I have "Hot Deals Addiction", and have a hard time saying no to a $28 mobo, that would let me drop in a Kaveri.

TBH, I care little about SATA6G or USB3.0. Sure, they're nice, but not totally essential.

Plus, those BayTrail laptops, seem a tad sluggish when connected via HDMI to my 24" HDTV screens.

It's kind of a Kludge, too, to connect my 24" screen, and a wireless KB / Mouse to a laptop. It works fine for web browsing, but if I get a Skype call, since the webcam is on the front center of the lid, and I have the lid down and the laptop screen shut off, I have to open the lid, and use the laptop screen temporarily for the Skype call. That, or get a USB hub, to connect an additional webcam, to a PC that already has one built-in.

So I'm thinking of going back to the traditional tower, and finally finding something that might be able to out-DC my Q9300 @ 3.0 rigs.

Part of the problem with the Q9300 rigs is not so much the CPU power consumption proper, but the fact that those P35 mobos lack an IGP, so I have to use a discrete card. Which, unless that card is an (expensive, relative to performance) 750 / 750ti, then it draws a bit of power.

The fact that an A8-7600 would take care of that issue, and allow me to do DC on a quad-core CPU, plus a GCN-based IGP (great for compute!), makes a very compelling proposition for me.

Alternatives might be a G3258 mobo + CPU combo, if another one pops up. But I wouldn't have the GCN shader cores in that case, to run the juicy (as far as BOINC credits go) GPU WUs. I would be limited to two CPU cores. Not to mention, the lack of advanced CPU features like AVX and whatnot. I'm not even sure that it would be faster than my Q9300 @ 3.0. Certainly not at stock. Maybe at 4.5.

Thoughts?

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2267&cmp[]=1050
 
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cbn

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Here is A8-7600:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A8-7600+Radeon+R7,+10+Compute+Cores+4C+6G&id=2311

Comparing all three processors:

A8-7600- 5444 cpu marks
G3258 @ 3.2 GHz - 4050 cpu marks
Q9650 @ 3.0 GHz - 4237 cpu marks

.....the A8-7600 cpu doesn't look all that strong for a processor that costs $110 to $120. (Sure it has 384 GCN cores, but they are only 720 MHz as I recall.)

Another thing to consider is if the cpu cores will throttle down if the GCN cores are being used at the same time. (Apparently Kaveri A10-7850K and A10-7700K have an issue with throttling cpu cores with GPU workloads. Info on the first page of this thread--> http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2392667&highlight=kaveri+throttling. Not sure if the A8-7600 will follow this same behavior? )

Have you thought about simply adding a GCN video card to what you already have?
 
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FlanK3r

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A8-7600 seems the best price/performance ratio for FM2+ APUs.

btw, I heard about throttling as CPU issue (something similar as Trinity vs Richland, RIchland fix some little issues of Trinity). But I had not time to testing it. Now half year later it can be out. I can watch at this behind the next months after Haswell-E testing and new FX testing.
 
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I think you should dump all these "efficient" computers, and just get one i5 or i7 rig that will completely own everything you have right now. At idle they sip power, you can set up a schedule to do DC for eight hours a night, etc.

Of course, if you're not spending another $300 on a slightly less anemic computer every two months, you'd have a lot less to post about. But you'll probably save money in the long run, too.
 

GLeeM

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Not sure if this is pertinent to you:

I do not use the iGPU on my 4790K for DC because it is not good enough for how much of the one, more valuable, CPU thread it uses! In other words, the CPU thread alone does more work than the iGPU + CPU thread. YMMV

edit: DC is distributed computing
 

DrMrLordX

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If you are planning to overclock that 7600 with bclk adjustments, I for one would like to see how well that goes for you on a $30 motherboard. When using the iGPU for BOINC, be sure to modify the P5 state so the CPU doesn't throttle down. Something like msr tweaker or TurionPowerControl should give you the option to do that.
 

DrMrLordX

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Yeah Larry, you owe us some tests. Your impressions are always welcome :)

I second that. I haven't seen any end-users actually test the A8-7600 to see what it can do. Some bclk-based overclocking on an el-cheapo A55M board would be a huge bonus for people on a budget.

FYI Amazon has the A8-7600 now as well.
 

Erenhardt

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I second that. I haven't seen any end-users actually test the A8-7600 to see what it can do. Some bclk-based overclocking on an el-cheapo A55M board would be a huge bonus for people on a budget.

FYI Amazon has the A8-7600 now as well.

PClamb overclocked their 7600 to 4.6GHz (121bclkX38?) by increasing base clock to 121Mhz.
http://pclab.pl/art56011-16.html
Sadly they didn't post any results because overclocking baseclock brings possiblities of data corruption (!).
Strange reasoning on their part, since any overclocking can do that. Oh well..
 

VirtualLarry

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PClamb overclocked their 7600 to 4.6GHz (121bclkX38?) by increasing base clock to 121Mhz.
http://pclab.pl/art56011-16.html
Sadly they didn't post any results because overclocking baseclock brings possiblities of data corruption (!).
Strange reasoning on their part, since any overclocking can do that. Oh well..

Does overclocking the base clock on FM2 or FM2+, cause the SATA ports to run out of spec frequency-wise? As long as the SATA ports stay in spec, then I wouldn't worry too much about overclocking the base clock, but if they don't, then I probably wouldn't attempt it.
 

DrMrLordX

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PClamb overclocked their 7600 to 4.6GHz (121bclkX38?) by increasing base clock to 121Mhz.
http://pclab.pl/art56011-16.html
Sadly they didn't post any results because overclocking baseclock brings possiblities of data corruption (!).
Strange reasoning on their part, since any overclocking can do that. Oh well..

Might be that they were worried about SATA corruption. It's a shame they didn't say which board they were using. They also gave no indication of whether or not all the turbo multipliers were available in the UEFI while overclocking. It is clear that there are some bclk overclock options, but that they are inconsistent.

Does overclocking the base clock on FM2 or FM2+, cause the SATA ports to run out of spec frequency-wise? As long as the SATA ports stay in spec, then I wouldn't worry too much about overclocking the base clock, but if they don't, then I probably wouldn't attempt it.

Possibly. It's probably the same situation as with Trinity and Richland.
 

Yuriman

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Power creep. Next month you'll notice than an i5 draws less power and will do more work.
 
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Why should I try to talk you out of it? If you've got the money to spare, and if you *want* them, you should buy them :)
 

MeldarthX

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exactly cause I want to see what they do; most likely next pc for the kids to replace the old 5600k athlon system with 9600gt; might be the 7600 :D

kids loved the 6600k I build for them.....and really was a damn good system for the month spent
 

Insomniator

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How many secondary rigs?

Forget about all this, consolidate and make a machine(s) thats not a total piece of ****
 

cbn

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FYI Amazon has the A8-7600 now as well.

$113 at Amazon.

According to this article, we should be expecting a price drop or should have a price drop of A8-7600 to $99.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di..._A_Series_APUs_for_Back_to_School_Season.html

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