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Taliban win over locals at the gates of Kabul

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Given that Hezbollah and Hamas are almost sister movements, it still do not excuse my misstatement of fact and its time to fess up that I was incorrect. But it hardly makes JOS any more correct on his delusional take on Afghanistan or is a license to mis characterize my stance on the Taliban. I do not get giddy about the Taliban burning books but if JOS and palehorse think that they can exterminate an idea by being idiots and assholes, they are as bad as the Taliban, same nuts, different delusions, same results, lots and lots of innocent people get killed and no progress ever occurs.

As we move into year 60 of the Israeli Arab Palestinian conflict, its somewhat different place, not desirable results, conflict still boiling at a low simmer.

"Sister movements"?

You're truly delusional, they FIGHT each other.

You do not know the first thing about the ME, you know absolutely nothing about Afghanistan, but you keep spewing your bullsheit.
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Now its your turn in the barrel JOS, where do you get this Hezbollah and Hamas fight each other stuff? I suspect you now are making the same mistake I made, because I think you are referring to Fatah, which has now become a corrupt Israeli stooge.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f...F937A35753C1A9679C8B63

As for your claim that you are fighting on my side, so were LT. Calley, Charles Granger, and Lyde England. While I share your desire to beat the Taliban, you are not going to make any headway doing it your way nor are you establishing a track record of anything but negative progress. As such, you are worse than useless.
 
Lemon Law, if you have not observed the hostilities of the area then SHUT THE FUCK UP, it's common knowledge to ANYONE who knows the area that Hisballah and Hamas wan the same area and that Hisballah are FIGHTING the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, something the Hamas are not very fond of and therefore fund the refugees because of.

But you don't know that, you don't know ANYTHING about anything regarding this, Fatah's militia (Al-Aqsa) USED to be on Hisballahs pay roll via Iran though.

I've never claimed to be on your side, you cheer on the Taliban, i can never be on that side, not after what i have seen left in the path that i walk.

Hate is not a strong enough word for what i feel towards the likes of you.



John if we as Mods can't dictate what opinion a person can post here even though we find it disgusting what make you think you can? Please refrain from verbally abusing those whom you disagree with. We can't give you a pass just because you happen to be putting your life on the line for others freedom and our security. All we can do is thank you and try to be fair. It would really pain us if we'd have to ban you for repeatedly breaking the rules.

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Red Dawn

 
I do not hate you JOS, I just cannot believe your mind is so small that you cannot walk an inch in someone else's shoes. As such, you are not part of any solution, you are part of the problem. And no JOS, you still do not get it on Hamas v Fatah, who sponsors whom, and which side Al Quida is on. If you believe the GWB state department take or the Tony Blair take on the link I gave you, you are nuttier than a fruit cake.

Who is your PM now after Tony Blair made a fool out of himself? Fooled by a fool, I cannot say I am proud of my country, but we do really share the same goals, but your tactics will not get us to the same goals.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
I just cannot believe your mind is so small that you cannot walk an inch in someone else's shoes. .

How about you walk a millimeter of a father who just had his daughter beaten to death for not wearing a veil outside? Or walk in the shoes of a father whose daughter had her vagina blown off with an AK-47? Have you walked in those shoes yet Lemon law?
 
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Lemon law
I just cannot believe your mind is so small that you cannot walk an inch in someone else's shoes. .

How about you walk a millimeter of a father who just had his daughter beaten to death for not wearing a veil outside? Or walk in the shoes of a father whose daughter had her vagina blown off with an AK-47? Have you walked in those shoes yet Lemon law?
Or walked in the shoes of a father who daughters wedding party has been blown to kingdom come because of a Coalition Ordinance dropped on them.

 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Lemon law
I just cannot believe your mind is so small that you cannot walk an inch in someone else's shoes. .

How about you walk a millimeter of a father who just had his daughter beaten to death for not wearing a veil outside? Or walk in the shoes of a father whose daughter had her vagina blown off with an AK-47? Have you walked in those shoes yet Lemon law?
Or walked in the shoes of a father who daughters wedding party has been blown to kingdom come because of a Coalition Ordinance dropped on them.

You changed my mind. We should leave and give Afghanistan back to the Taliban and let them run wild again.

Thanks for setting me straight :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Lemon law
I just cannot believe your mind is so small that you cannot walk an inch in someone else's shoes. .

How about you walk a millimeter of a father who just had his daughter beaten to death for not wearing a veil outside? Or walk in the shoes of a father whose daughter had her vagina blown off with an AK-47? Have you walked in those shoes yet Lemon law?
Or walked in the shoes of a father who daughters wedding party has been blown to kingdom come because of a Coalition Ordinance dropped on them.

Since you have both moderated and posted in the same thread i do believe i get to do what you have done, step one side out.

Now, this piece of shit likened ME to the likes of torturers and you said NOTHING about that, but when he speaks of different terror organisations and i tell him to shut up if he cannot even keep them apart or know anything about them then i get a mod comment from you?

And yeah, i don't PM people, i make my apologies in the open and my challenges in the open, if you don't like that, you're not half the man you proclaim to be.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
I do not hate you JOS, I just cannot believe your mind is so small that you cannot walk an inch in someone else's shoes. As such, you are not part of any solution, you are part of the problem. And no JOS, you still do not get it on Hamas v Fatah, who sponsors whom, and which side Al Quida is on. If you believe the GWB state department take or the Tony Blair take on the link I gave you, you are nuttier than a fruit cake.

Who is your PM now after Tony Blair made a fool out of himself? Fooled by a fool, I cannot say I am proud of my country, but we do really share the same goals, but your tactics will not get us to the same goals.

I never wanted Blair, i never wanted Brown either, but i can tell you this, i was the first one in line to go to Afghanistan and the team i am in was the first team to go.

Blair was worthless, Brown isn't better, i'm a Liberal, one of the last in this world, and no, Liberalism has nothing to do with what you think it does, it was started by the Whigs and there are very few left, you're not one of them, Vic is one of them, Hayabusa Rider is another, Harvey is a third and Perknose is a fourth, Palehorse is the fifth and if you review these people posts you'll see that they are not on the same partisan block, but they are all true liberals.

You don't get it, you never will, you'll call me a torturer, liken me to convicted felons and keep cheering the true torturers even after i have told you what they do. You'd think the bookburning of late would sway your mind, but no, you'd think the assasinations of late would be enough, but no, you keep cheering.

I'm sorry but my agenda is a liberal one and it's instituted, as it's the will of the people here, i will keep going and i will fight every extremist in every way i can.
 
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Lemon law
I just cannot believe your mind is so small that you cannot walk an inch in someone else's shoes. .

How about you walk a millimeter of a father who just had his daughter beaten to death for not wearing a veil outside? Or walk in the shoes of a father whose daughter had her vagina blown off with an AK-47? Have you walked in those shoes yet Lemon law?
Or walked in the shoes of a father who daughters wedding party has been blown to kingdom come because of a Coalition Ordinance dropped on them.

Since you have both moderated and posted in the same thread i do believe i get to do what you have done, step one side out.

Now, this piece of shit likened ME to the likes of torturers and you said NOTHING about that, but when he speaks of different terror organisations and i tell him to shut up if he cannot even keep them apart or know anything about them then i get a mod comment from you?

And yeah, i don't PM people, i make my apologies in the open and my challenges in the open, if you don't like that, you're not half the man you proclaim to be.
Actually I agree with you, I'm just telling you to be a little more civil. We don't ask much but you seem to take it to the extreme. If we let you get away with it we have to let others and we just can't do that.

BTW I'm probably not half the man you are as I can't see putting my ass on the line over in the god forsaken country for people that hate us. LL talks about criminals, well I'd probably be one as I'd shoot the first Wog that looked at me cross eyed I'd be so scared shit less.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: Lemon law
I just cannot believe your mind is so small that you cannot walk an inch in someone else's shoes. .

How about you walk a millimeter of a father who just had his daughter beaten to death for not wearing a veil outside? Or walk in the shoes of a father whose daughter had her vagina blown off with an AK-47? Have you walked in those shoes yet Lemon law?
Or walked in the shoes of a father who daughters wedding party has been blown to kingdom come because of a Coalition Ordinance dropped on them.

Since you have both moderated and posted in the same thread i do believe i get to do what you have done, step one side out.

Now, this piece of shit likened ME to the likes of torturers and you said NOTHING about that, but when he speaks of different terror organisations and i tell him to shut up if he cannot even keep them apart or know anything about them then i get a mod comment from you?

And yeah, i don't PM people, i make my apologies in the open and my challenges in the open, if you don't like that, you're not half the man you proclaim to be.
Actually I agree with you, I'm just telling you to be a little more civil. We don't ask much but you seem to take it to the extreme. If we let you get away with it we have to let others and we just can't do that.

BTW I'm probably not half the man you are as I can't see putting my ass on the line over in the god forsaken country for people that hate us. LL talks about criminals, well I'd probably be one as I'd shoot the first Wog that looked at me cross eyed I'd be so scared shit less.

Red, i got pissed because no one said a word when he likened me to convicted torturers while i have said many times that i am completely against waterboarding and continually stated that it is torture. I also stated that the horseshoe and bottle route between Basra and Kabul isn't one we can take since we cannot condone that treatment it had resulted in.

It is hard for me, given my efforts to explain to people in this forum what i am about, not to tell this fuck up of a twat to shut it, especially when he can't even keep Hamas and Hisballah separate and then tries to backtrack and try to prove me wrong when i KNOW i am right yet again.

It just irritates the sheit out of me and so did your comment.

Not as much as it surprised me though, i mean the tone was set after that post of his where he practically called me a war criminal, i kinda felt that the door was open after that and there are things i could have said that i did delete, hell, you should have seen my post before i edited the worst parts out. 😉

Your point is well taken and a true sign of a big man is what you just did in your post.

Take care.
 
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I'm sorry but my agenda is a liberal one and it's instituted, as it's the will of the people here, i will keep going and i will fight every extremist in every way i can.

I'm with ya bro... seriously, fuck the naysayers, hypocrites, and couch warriors.

/salute
 
At the end of the day, its all about what can be realistically done with limited resources. Are we winning yet? Or just sowing the seeds for more 911's.

But the fact is and remains, the shortest distance between me and town is and remains the straight line distance. Stupid me, I did not select the bull doze the intervening house model or the frog green paint option that will allow my car to jump intervening ditches.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
At the end of the day, its all about what can be realistically done with limited resources. Are we winning yet? Or just sowing the seeds for more 911's.

But the fact is and remains, the shortest distance between me and town is and remains the straight line distance. Stupid me, I did not select the bull doze the intervening house model or the frog green paint option that will allow my car to jump intervening ditches.

For the first time in +20 years Afghanistan is a fairly well governed country, but since you love to spout every crime as the destruction i'm sure you disagree, even though you know absolutely nothing, never been there and i have lived here for the past 8 months.

It's not like i just diagree, i truly find you pathetic, you can't even keep hisballah and Hamas apart, Al Quaida and the Talibans are the same thing and you don't get that either.

I'd pity you, but there are far more people here who deserve my pity, so you'll have to wait.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I'm sorry but my agenda is a liberal one and it's instituted, as it's the will of the people here, i will keep going and i will fight every extremist in every way i can.

I'm with ya bro... seriously, fuck the naysayers, hypocrites, and couch warriors.

/salute

I'm fresh out of bubblegum too.

It's getting to be that hour now, so i hope youre ok and out of the way, because i won't be back for a couple of weeks, but if there are good strikes around the border, well, these things happen. 😉

Stay sharp and watch your six.
 
Originally posted by: JD50
Yes, I'm saying that there is no comparison. We didn't "march right in" to any country and demand that they join us in Iraq, or else we will invade them, rape all of their women, stick a gun in their vagina, shoot them, then let them bleed to death. We didn't kill any of their children for refusing to join us. We didn't torture anyone for refusing to join us. Etc...

We didn't do anything to the countries that refused to join us. Are you aware of the kinds of atrocities that the taliban commits on a daily basis, just because people refuse to submit to them? I know that you're absolutely nuts, and you dream of the day that every single person that voted for GWB is hanged from a tree, but you really can't be this oblivious.

Ok I'll give you that, the taliban should be defeated, yes I concur. But we didn't do that did we? No. So I say again, we are there to burn money, kill brown skinned people and make the world hate us even more.
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: JD50
Yes, I'm saying that there is no comparison. We didn't "march right in" to any country and demand that they join us in Iraq, or else we will invade them, rape all of their women, stick a gun in their vagina, shoot them, then let them bleed to death. We didn't kill any of their children for refusing to join us. We didn't torture anyone for refusing to join us. Etc...

We didn't do anything to the countries that refused to join us. Are you aware of the kinds of atrocities that the taliban commits on a daily basis, just because people refuse to submit to them? I know that you're absolutely nuts, and you dream of the day that every single person that voted for GWB is hanged from a tree, but you really can't be this oblivious.

Ok I'll give you that, the taliban should be defeated, yes I concur. But we didn't do that did we? No. So I say again, we are there to burn money, kill brown skinned people and make the world hate us even more.

That ignorant statement has already been responded to.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
At the end of the day, its all about what can be realistically done with limited resources. Are we winning yet? Or just sowing the seeds for more 911's.

But the fact is and remains, the shortest distance between me and town is and remains the straight line distance. Stupid me, I did not select the bull doze the intervening house model or the frog green paint option that will allow my car to jump intervening ditches.

Just one... just one.
 
Originally posted by: JD50
That ignorant statement has already been responded to.

I'm not somebody you pulled over and are questioning. Just because there were several responses doesn't validate you narrow view on right/wrong.
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: JD50
That ignorant statement has already been responded to.

I'm not somebody you pulled over and are questioning. Just because there were several responses doesn't validate you narrow view on right/wrong.

Like I said, your ignorant statement was already refuted by Arkaign. Instead of repeating the same thing over and over again, why don't you respond to his rebuttal?

Edit - come to think of it, you didn't even respond to my post either, you just danced around it with your "we're there to kill brown people" comment. If me thinking that it's not ok to hang every single US citizen that supported this war, and me thinking that it's not ok to stick a gun up a womans vagina, shoot her, then let her bleed to death, means that in your mind I have a "narrow view on right/wrong" then I am perfectly fine with that.
 
Why wait for them to grow up when you can kill them with Nato air strikes before they are even three months old. But I am glad to see that JD50 is perfectly fine with indiscriminate Nato bombing which is well documented. At least 50 innocent women and children last week and damn well documented.

But funny thing, we have only the undocumented claims of palehorse and JOS to say the Taliban does what JD50 claims. Where is the link, where is the proof, or did you swallow the Iraqi invaders dumped Kuwaiti premature infants out of incubators hook line and sinker also.

Pardon me, I do not want to say the Taliban are angels because they are not, but JOS and palehorse are not any better. As both pursue a agenda of kill kill kill, while an entire country becomes their own private shooting gallery in perpetuity.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law

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Pardon me, I do not want to say the Taliban are angels because they are not, but JOS and palehorse are not any better. As both pursue a agenda of kill kill kill, while an entire country becomes their own private shooting gallery in perpetuity.

You're sick.
 
Originally posted by: JD50
Like I said, your ignorant statement was already refuted by Arkaign. Instead of repeating the same thing over and over again, why don't you respond to his rebuttal?

Edit - come to think of it, you didn't even respond to my post either, you just danced around it with your "we're there to kill brown people" comment. If me thinking that it's not ok to hang every single US citizen that supported this war,

Arkaign basically agreed with 2 of my 3 points. Why would I need to respond?

I did respond to your post. I actually agreed with you. The taliban should be defeated. Just because I didn't go down the path of "horrors committed by said group" doesn't mean I didn't respond. If you think your professional life gives you some kind of authority to shape the conversation, it doesn't. In fact I would argue that your profession clouds your judgment.

Originally posted by: JD50
and me thinking that it's not ok to stick a gun up a womans vagina, shoot her, then let her bleed to death, means that in your mind I have a "narrow view on right/wrong" then I am perfectly fine with that.

This is a strawman. I never said you had a narrow view based on this. I don't even know if this actually happened. Your the one who is spoon fed bullshit to the point you would club Americans if you were told to do it. Who is the patriot here?
 
I don't think Lemon Law gets that what i and others have witnessed in person is real, it seems like he just shuns it or talks about me killing babies and mounting their heads on my walls so that he can even it out.

The Taliban needs to go, there is no question in my mind that this is the way it has to be and Pakistan have finally understood that unless they give up the entire nation to them, they will not be happy.

The Taliban are the worst of theh worst and no, there are no babies, no women, no children among them (if you knew anything about them you'd understand why) and not ONE of them have any good intentions what so ever.

This isn't the first time you've called me a murderer of innocent people, or a man who mount the heads of infants on my walls, but as far as i know or as far as i have seen, you have not even been warned because of it.

Maybe it's just because the ones you accuse don't go running to mods to handle it like the lot of you do, maybe it's because we're used to fighting our own battles, for you and the likes of you even.
 
Just to be clear on my stance towards soldiers in the field. I generally don't agree in using violence but I don't fault soldiers for defending themselves. I do fault the policy makers for putting them in that situation in the first place. The way in which we use violence in this world has absolutely no regard for its ramifications a decade or 2 down the road. I do believe the death penalty should be used on said leaders if they are found that, through there incompetence thousands of people die. A couple of these chicken hawk politicians swinging from the gallows would certainly put an end to our "noble and romantic" ideas of war.
 
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