Taliban alive and well in South Dakota - House Passes Bill Criminalizing Abortions

[dahunan]

http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200402/CUL20040211c.shtml

South Dakota House Passes Bill Criminalizing Abortions
(CNSNews.com) - Following an emotional debate, the South Dakota House has passed a bill saying that life begins at conception -- thus outlawing abortions in the state.

 

[Genesys]

How does this realte to the taliban? are you saying that this is an oppressive law? how about the idiot mother imposing her will on an unborn child, hows that for oppressive?

oh well, honestly, i dont care one way or the other about abortion. its not my decision, and i dont have to live with any of the consequences of having an abortion.

 

[Czar]

it is a law based on religious morals


sad to see the US go that way

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Czar
it is a law based on religious morals


sad to see the US go that way

One could easily say that it is based on science.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Czar
it is a law based on religious morals


sad to see the US go that way

One could easily say that it is based on science.

how so?

 

[digitalsm]

I mean come on. Is this really a suprise when over 50% of americans do not support abortion(48% do).

It is inevitable that abortion will be redirected. The Supreme Court will eventually make another ruling(and final) on this. Its just a matter of when, and who is on the court.

This is just the first stepping stone to get the case redirected.

Capital Punishment will eventually be redirected too. Probably before abortion.

IMHO, both abortion and capital punishment will be declared unconstitutional.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: dahunan
http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/200402/CUL20040211c.shtml

South Dakota House Passes Bill Criminalizing Abortions
(CNSNews.com) - Following an emotional debate, the South Dakota House has passed a bill saying that life begins at conception -- thus outlawing abortions in the state.

infanticide is a good thing?

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Czar
it is a law based on religious morals


sad to see the US go that way

One could easily say that it is based on science.

how so?

scientific evidence shows that ending the life of something(such as...a baby) is killing it.

it is simple

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Czar
it is a law based on religious morals


sad to see the US go that way

One could easily say that it is based on science.

how so?

Are you saying life does not begin at conception? If it does not, at what can the fetus be considered alive? Only after birth? The point at which medical technology can save a premature baby? Where does the line get drawn?

 

[wkabel23]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Czar
it is a law based on religious morals


sad to see the US go that way

One could easily say that it is based on science.

how so?

scientific evidence shows that ending the life of something(such as...a baby) is killing it.

Funny how none of you pro-lifers stick up for the enviroment when people blatently "kill" the planet we live on.

And having an abortion is infanticide? What a joke, seriously. Science also shows that abortion isn't really "killing" considering the baby at say...2 weeks...rea.lly has no feeling or as developed of a mind as a baby in the latter stages of pregnancy.

how about the idiot mother imposing her will on an unborn child, hows that for oppressive?

How about the jack*** that raped the "idiot" mother?

But I have to agree with you on one thing...it isn't your decision, it is a woman's decision. 50 year old men may think they know what's best for a 16 year old pregant girl but they DON'T.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: charrison

Are you saying life does not begin at conception? If it does not, at what can the fetus be considered alive? Only after birth? The point at which medical technology can save a premature baby? Where does the line get drawn?

of course life does not begin at conception! just because those cells are dividing does not mean they are alive!! that would be like saying a tree starts growing from a seed...

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Czar
it is a law based on religious morals


sad to see the US go that way

One could easily say that it is based on science.

how so?

Are you saying life does not begin at conception? If it does not, at what can the fetus be considered alive? Only after birth? The point at which medical technology can save a premature baby? Where does the line get drawn?

I'm not sure where the line is.
Then there is the other side of the story, what if science would say that a mother would die if she had the baby and very likely the baby would also die. What would the laws say?

 

[dahunan]

What do anti-abortion people do to help the Mothers raise these children?

Do you donate time and money to track down deadbeat dads

Do you donate time and money to adoption agencies

Do you donate time and money to rape crisis centers or spousal abuse clinics?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Czar
it is a law based on religious morals


sad to see the US go that way

One could easily say that it is based on science.

how so?

Are you saying life does not begin at conception? If it does not, at what can the fetus be considered alive? Only after birth? The point at which medical technology can save a premature baby? Where does the line get drawn?

I'm not sure where the line is.
Then there is the other side of the story, what if science would say that a mother would die if she had the baby and very likely the baby would also die. What would the laws say?

I don't think anyone would have a problem in life threatening situations, especially since it wouldn't be "elective".

CkG

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: wkabel23 How about the jack*** that raped the "idiot" mother?

But I have to agree with you on one thing...it isn't your decision, it is a woman's decision. 50 year old men may think they know what's best for a 16 year old pregant girl but they DON'T.

yes, killing a baby because of rape makes perfect sense.

so since your unposted scientific evidence says at 2 weeks "it" is not really a baby does that mean aFTER 2 weeks "it" IS a baby?

that seems odd, genetic studies show even before 2 weeks the devoloping fetus is "human"




real simple

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: dahunan
What do anti-abortion people do to help the Mothers raise these children?

Do you donate time and money to track down deadbeat dads

Do you donate time and money to adoption agencies

Do you donate time and money to rape crisis centers or spousal abuse clinics?

yes

yes

yes

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: dahunan
What do anti-abortion people do to help the Mothers raise these children?

Do you donate time and money to track down deadbeat dads

Do you donate time and money to adoption agencies

Do you donate time and money to rape crisis centers or spousal abuse clinics?

yes

yes

yes

If you are not claiming taxes as = to the time and money I am referring to then Thank you very much for helping.

 

[Fatdog]

that seems odd, genetic studies show even before 2 weeks the devoloping fetus is "human"




real simple

Thank you captian obvious. Did you really need a genetic study to figure out a bunch of developing cells in a human body are, (surprise surprise) human?

And which of those photos shows a human fetus at 2 weeks?

 

[shiftomnimega]

Abortion isn't directly covered in the constitution.

All matters not directly covered in the constitution are up to the state.

Roe v Wade shouldn't have ever gone federal.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
I mean come on. Is this really a suprise when over 50% of americans do not support abortion(48% do).

It is inevitable that abortion will be redirected. The Supreme Court will eventually make another ruling(and final) on this. Its just a matter of when, and who is on the court.

This is just the first stepping stone to get the case redirected.

Capital Punishment will eventually be redirected too. Probably before abortion.

IMHO, both abortion and capital punishment will be declared unconstitutional.

It doesn't work that way. Far less than 50% still support affirmative action and that was ruled constitutional less than eight months ago. Supreme Court does not, and for the most part has never, ruled on popular opinion. That is why they are appointed for life with virtually no chance of being removed for political reasons or their own resignation.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I grew up in South Dakota, it's the will of all the teenage moms & dads that married early, had a baby & feel it's wrong to have an abortion, voicing their opinions through the state legislators.

It's also heavily Catholic, and the Catholic church is pretty ruthless in trying to have it's beliefs legislated into law so everyone can follow them. (I went to a Catholic University, & am protestant).

Sort of weird, liberals (Democratic Catholics) & right wing conservatives alike agree on the abortion issue up north.

Glad I live in Texas where abortion is legal, but not sex toys

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: shiftomnimega
Abortion isn't directly covered in the constitution.

All matters not directly covered in the constitution are up to the state.

Roe v Wade shouldn't have ever gone federal.

IIRC it was loosely covered by the constitution due to past Supreme Court rulings that expanded what falls under "interstate commerce".

The case will be redirected, and the pro choice group will lose in some form. Either out right, or partial with the Supreme Court ruling states would not be violating the constitution if they made it illegal. In which case all but the handful of Democrat states would promptly ban it.

Like I said, this South Dakota bill, is just the stepping stone to challenging Roe V Wade.

But I still think Capital Punishment will be redirected well before abortion.

 

[FrodoB]

Originally posted by: Czar
it is a law based on religious morals


sad to see the US go that way

It's not based on morals. It's based on logic. It's undefeatable logic. Abortion stops the process of life that has already been set into motion. Abortion is MURDER. Let me repeat. Abortion is MURDER. The only exception is when the mother's life is at serious risk. People that have abortions are MURDERERS.

 

[Dman877]

The religious right is all about protecting the rights of those unborn children living inside single, inner-city mothers. Once the kid is born, who cares though right? Lets under-fund their education, relegate them to life in the ghetto, and force them to play basketball as it's their only hope. Of course this country desperately needs more uneducated, single-mothers. If they outlaw abortion here, people will just go to Canada or Mexico to get it done... well maybe not Mexico.

 

[Dman877]

Originally posted by: FrodoB

Originally posted by: Czar
it is a law based on religious morals


sad to see the US go that way

It's not based on morals. It's based on logic. It's undefeatable logic. Abortion stops the process of life that has already been set into motion. Abortion is MURDER. Let me repeat. Abortion is MURDER. The only exception is when the mother's life is at serious risk. People that have abortions are MURDERERS.

I hope you are just as outraged by the murders that have been comitted on our behalf every day in Iraq and Afghanastan for the last several years...