tailgater gets owned

[ImpulsE69]

the length that some of you go to argue your point on the internet and prove you are right to complete strangers is incredible.

thank you all for teh lulz!

This is pretty hilarious coming from you of all people :thumbsup:

 

[MongGrel]

I've noticed some weird behavior here in regard to tailgaters. A car will come up behind me when I'm not in the left-most lane, and just stick on my ass for a while. The thing is... at least one lane next to me is clear, so they could pass me. Sometimes, they'll pass me after a few minutes, but other times, they'll just sit there right on my ass until one of us has to move.

Essentially, I think these wackadoodles just accelerate up to the person in front of them and just sit there. Maybe they're NASCAR fans or something? Anyway, I brought this up since in this case, they aren't on my ass to get me to move over.

Drafting does work of course, but driving like that is unsafe. I think a lot of people do think they are NASCAR drivers myself. Legally, that won't hold up in an accident.

Was another thing my father warned my of when I first started driving, just like blocking the left lane. Do not get on a Semi and draft it, you can actually feel the thing pull you a little when you're right behind one.

You'll drag their gas mileage down a bit if you do that, and they are not going to like it if you just hang out there.

Is just bad driving, again.

 

[LTC8K6]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Evidence? Case?

Brake checking is applying your brakes heavily in order to make the guy behind you slam his on.

It's not lightly tapping your brake pedal to make your brake lights come on without your brakes applying.

All I do to tailgaters is flash the brake lights. I don't try to make them slam on their brakes. If they still insist on trying to eat my trailer hitch, and it's safe to do so, I come to a normal stop and make them go around.

Once I realize that they are a lunatic, I generally get out of their way, one way or another.

I really can't tell in the video how hard the vehicle in front braked.

It's possible that the driver behind simply panicked at seeing the brake lights come on when he was so close. Maybe the guy in front didn't really brake very hard?

 

[zerocool84]

All I do to tailgaters is flash the brake lights. I don't try to make them slam on their brakes. If they still insist on trying to eat my trailer hitch, and it's safe to do so, I come to a normal stop and make them go around.

Once I realize that they are a lunatic, I generally get out of their way, one way or another.

I really can't tell in the video how hard the vehicle in front braked.

It's possible that the driver behind simply panicked at seeing the brake lights come on when he was so close. Maybe the guy in front didn't really brake very hard?

No, he obviously slammed his brakes or else that wouldn't have happened. Dangerous and stupid.

 

[Schmide]

No, he obviously slammed his brakes or else that wouldn't have happened. Dangerous and stupid.

Did you watch the video?

 

[WelshBloke]

All I do to tailgaters is flash the brake lights. I don't try to make them slam on their brakes. If they still insist on trying to eat my trailer hitch, and it's safe to do so, I come to a normal stop and make them go around.

Once I realize that they are a lunatic, I generally get out of their way, one way or another.

I really can't tell in the video how hard the vehicle in front braked.

It's possible that the driver behind simply panicked at seeing the brake lights come on when he was so close. Maybe the guy in front didn't really brake very hard?

I tend to slow down if I get tailgated. I'm going to need the extra reaction time and stopping distance if it's going to be dangerous to slam the anchors on.

 

[BoberFett]

Realization is powerful.

Indeed. Maybe someday you'll have one.

 

[SSSnail]

Did I mention crazies don't know they're crazy? Yup, pretty sure I did.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Did I mention crazies don't know they're crazy? Yup, pretty sure I did.

You don't have to mention it, you're living proof.

Still waiting on that explanation about how your brake lights can make me crash if I'm in control of my vehicle. Please enlighten me oh sane one, I can't quite seem to work out how that happens.

 

[SSSnail]

Gag, sorry you'd just have to keep going on through life as you are now. Maybe one of these days you'll realize that your thought process and mental acuity is not all there, but judging from your insistence on being daft, I don't think you'll ever get there.

I've said all that need to be said about this subject. It's time for me to pass on by. BTW, you're hogging the left lane on the internet...

 

[TechBoyJK]

None of them say you necessarily have to yield to a car behind you in the case that has been pointed out to you - impeding traffic is defined in your state as preventing the normal flow of traffic. So, as I said, if the left lane is normally moving 75, while the right lane is normally moving 65, if you're moving 75 in the left lane, and passing traffic, you do not have to move over and slow down to 65 so that some asshat who wants to do 80 can pass you.

Yes, you do.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...04_1_new-illinois-law-construction-zones-lane

First of all, I may very well be wrong about the 1/4 mile rule. It's been about 5 years since i looked into it, and was provided by a lawyer language from the state that said a 'safe pass' is one that can be made within a 1/4 mile. I vividly recall seeing the statute at that time; but for the life of me I can't find it now or back it up. The idea of 'you can only be in the passing lane for a 1/4 mile" comes from the law that says you can't be inthe left lane except to make a pass, and you can't make a pass unless it's safe. And it's not safe unless you can make it within 1/4 mile.

So I'll own that one because I can't back it up. Got me there.

However, in regards to what you quoted, the law, including the links I provided, very clearly say.

1) You can't be in the left lane unless you're passing traffic.
2) You have to move over if someone wants to pass you.

Master Sgt. Rick Hector, an Illinois State Police spokesman, says the law could curb some of the anger on expressways caused by slow drivers hogging the left lane.

"For years in our defensive driving course we've been teaching that the left lane should only be used for passing," Hector said. "If you go out driving, it's easy to tell when there is someone who gets out there [in the left lane] and just doesn't move over. The intent of this law is to prevent the road rage incidents that happen as a result of that."

The law doesn't apply when there isn't another vehicle directly behind one in the left lane, when traffic is congested, inclement weather makes it necessary to ride in the left lane, an exit is on the left side of the road or at tollway plazas and in construction zones.

"The bottom line is that you can drive in the left lane all day long until somebody wants to pass you. Then you have to move over," Millner said.

This means if you're doing 70mph and passing some cars, and I'm doing 80mph, you need to move over for me and let me pass you. Nothing more, nothing less. Get out of the left lane if someone wants to pass you. Let them pass, then get back into the left lane and continue passing the other cars.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=062500050K11-701

(625 ILCS 5/11-701) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-701)

(d) Upon an Interstate highway or fully access controlled freeway, a vehicle may not be driven in the left lane, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle.
(e) Subsection (d) of this Section does not apply:
(1) when no other vehicle is directly behind the vehicle in the left lane;

The statue literally says you can be in the left lane only to pass vehicles and but NOT if there's a vehicle directly behind you when you're in the left lane. It clearly says if you're in the left lane and someone is behind you, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE ANY LONGER.

 

[jdoggg12]

Yes, you do.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...04_1_new-illinois-law-construction-zones-lane

First of all, I may very well be wrong about the 1/4 mile rule. It's been about 5 years since i looked into it, and was provided by a lawyer language from the state that said a 'safe pass' is one that can be made within a 1/4 mile. At the time, I vividly recall seeing the statute; but for the life of me I can't find it now or back it up. The idea of 'you can only be in the passing lane for a 1/4 mile" comes from the law that says you can't be inthe left lane except to make a pass, and you can't make a pass unless it's safe. And it's not safe unless you can make it within 1/4 mile.

So I'll own that one because I can't back it up. Got me there.

However, in regards to what you quoted, the law, including the links I provided, very clearly say.

1) You can't be in the left lane unless you're passing traffic.
2) You have to move over if someone wants to pass you.



This means if you're doing 70mph and passing some cars, and I'm doing 80mph, you need to move over for me and let me pass you. Nothing more, nothing less. Get out of the left lane if someone wants to pass you. Let them pass, then get back into the left lane and continue passing the other cars.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=062500050K11-701

(625 ILCS 5/11-701) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-701)



The statue literally says you can be in the left lane only to pass vehicles and but NOT if there's a vehicle directly behind you when you're in the left lane. It clearly says if you're in the left lane and someone is behind you, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE ANY LONGER.

You're my hero. Seriously. Few things piss me off more than people in the left lane doing 1mph more than people in the 2nd lane... despite gaps to move over. You passed a car, gold star for you. Now that you've passed him, before you crawl ahead of the next car, move over so I can quickly overtake you. You're costing me a lot more time than it'll cost you to move over and drop 1mph.


This is the MAIN reason for heavy traffic. People that can't pick an appropriate lane for their speed and skill. Lots of cars all over the place doing 65mph? Stay to the right if that makes you nervous! Don't move to the left just so you don't have to deal with other cars merging around you.

 

[zerocool84]

You're my hero. Seriously. Few things piss me off more than people in the left lane doing 1mph more than people in the 2nd lane... despite gaps to move over. You passed a car, gold star for you. Now that you've passed him, before you crawl ahead of the next car, move over so I can quickly overtake you. You're costing me a lot more time than it'll cost you to move over and drop 1mph.


This is the MAIN reason for heavy traffic. People that can't pick an appropriate lane for their speed and skill. Lots of cars all over the place doing 65mph? Stay to the right if that makes you nervous! Don't move to the left just so you don't have to deal with other cars merging around you.

Unfortunately for many people here, as long as they are going the speed limit, they don't care how many people are trying to pass them. They think they can police the roads.

 

[TechBoyJK]

You're my hero. Seriously. Few things piss me off more than people in the left lane doing 1mph more than people in the 2nd lane... despite gaps to move over. You passed a car, gold star for you. Now that you've passed him, before you crawl ahead of the next car, move over so I can quickly overtake you. You're costing me a lot more time than it'll cost you to move over and drop 1mph.


This is the MAIN reason for heavy traffic. People that can't pick an appropriate lane for their speed and skill. Lots of cars all over the place doing 65mph? Stay to the right if that makes you nervous! Don't move to the left just so you don't have to deal with other cars merging around you.

Thanks, but keep in mind, I'm only posting Illinois laws. What I said may not even apply where DrPizza lives.

 

[Schmide]

This means if you're doing 70mph and passing some cars, and I'm doing 80mph, you need to move over for me and let me pass you. Nothing more, nothing less. Get out of the left lane if someone wants to pass you. Let them pass, then get back into the left lane and continue passing the other cars.

This absolutely does not mean what you say. As long as there is slower traffic on your right and you continue to pass cars and you may remain in the left lane. Once there is a space in the right lane all cars should return to it.

The statue literally says you can be in the left lane only to pass vehicles and but NOT if there's a vehicle directly behind you when you're in the left lane. It clearly says if you're in the left lane and someone is behind you, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE ANY LONGER.

That is so not the case. How are you to know what the person behind you wants? If the person behind you is DIRECTLY BEHIND YOU they are breaking the law.

As the following car you must wait for the car in front of you to return to the right lane once there is sufficient space for them to do so.

 

[edro]

Yes, you do.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...04_1_new-illinois-law-construction-zones-lane

First of all, I may very well be wrong about the 1/4 mile rule. It's been about 5 years since i looked into it, and was provided by a lawyer language from the state that said a 'safe pass' is one that can be made within a 1/4 mile. I vividly recall seeing the statute at that time; but for the life of me I can't find it now or back it up. The idea of 'you can only be in the passing lane for a 1/4 mile" comes from the law that says you can't be inthe left lane except to make a pass, and you can't make a pass unless it's safe. And it's not safe unless you can make it within 1/4 mile.

So I'll own that one because I can't back it up. Got me there.

However, in regards to what you quoted, the law, including the links I provided, very clearly say.

1) You can't be in the left lane unless you're passing traffic.
2) You have to move over if someone wants to pass you.



This means if you're doing 70mph and passing some cars, and I'm doing 80mph, you need to move over for me and let me pass you. Nothing more, nothing less. Get out of the left lane if someone wants to pass you. Let them pass, then get back into the left lane and continue passing the other cars.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=062500050K11-701

(625 ILCS 5/11-701) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-701)



The statue literally says you can be in the left lane only to pass vehicles and but NOT if there's a vehicle directly behind you when you're in the left lane. It clearly says if you're in the left lane and someone is behind you, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE ANY LONGER.

:thumbsup:

 

[TechBoyJK]

This absolutely does not mean what you say. As long as there is slower traffic on your right and you continue to pass cars and you may remain in the left lane. Once there is a space in the right lane all cars should return to it.



That is so not the case. How are you to know what the person behind you wants? If the person behind you is DIRECTLY BEHIND YOU they are breaking the law.

As the following car you must wait for the car in front of you to return to the right lane once there is sufficient space for them to do so.

No.

Once there is a space in the right lane all cars should return to it. "

Yes, so as soon as you've passed someone, and there is someone behind you, you have to get back in the right lane. It doesn't say if someone is behind you, just get in the right lane and collide with other traffic. If you have someone behind you wanting to pass you, you can't just stay in the left lane and continue to pass traffic until you decide you're done. If you're passing traffic, but there's someone behind you, you must move over back into the right lane (when it's safe, duh) and let them pass.

Go read the statute again. The entire language is to prevent people from being in the left lane causing traffic congestion. If you're in the left lane passing cars, yet there's more traffic piling up behind you, speed is irrelevant.

It doesn't get more clear than that. Plus there's a comment from the Illinois State Police that says the same thing. Someone's behind you in the left lane? You must move over.

"The bottom line is that you can drive in the left lane all day long until somebody wants to pass you. Then you have to move over," Millner said.

That's straight from the Illinois State Police.

 

[Schmide]

No.



Yes, so as soon as you've passed someone, and there is someone behind you, you have to get back in the right lane. It doesn't say if someone is behind you, just get in the right lane and collide with other traffic. If you have someone behind you wanting to pass you, you can't just stay in the left lane and continue to pass traffic until you decide you're done. If you're passing traffic, but there's someone behind you, you must move over back into the right lane (when it's safe, duh) and let them pass.

The simple rule that I can't for the life of me believe you can't understand. As long as you are passing cars you have every right to remain in the left lane. You are not obligated to give up your right to pass cars because someone behind you believes they are more entitled to pass the cars faster than you. Once the right lane is clear all cars should return to it. If the car behind you passes once you return to it, that is fine. Then they must return to the right lane until they need to pass slower traffic ahead.

Go read the statute again. The entire language is to prevent people from being in the left lane causing traffic congestion. If you're in the left lane passing cars, yet there's more traffic piling up behind you, speed is irrelevant.

It doesn't get more clear than that. Plus there's a comment from the Illinois State Police that says the same thing. Someone's behind you in the left lane? You must move over.



That's straight from the Illinois State Police.

You seem to think that if you pass faster than someone else you are more entitled to the left lane. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE.

 

[TechBoyJK]

You seem to think that if you pass faster than someone else you are more entitled to the left lane. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE.

In Illinois, this is absolutely the case. And the Illinois State Police seems to believe so too.

Again, for the 3rd time, a quote from the Illinois State Police.

"The bottom line is that you can drive in the left lane all day long until somebody wants to pass you. Then you have to move over," Millner said.

Is that not english? Or is it written in a dialect you can't read? They're literally saying exactly what you're claiming is ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE.

 

[Humpy]

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=062500050K11-701

(625 ILCS 5/11-701) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-701)



The statue literally says you can be in the left lane only to pass vehicles and but NOT if there's a vehicle directly behind you when you're in the left lane. It clearly says if you're in the left lane and someone is behind you, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE ANY LONGER.

No, the statute does not literally say what you claim. You've made stuff up and used shitty logic this entire thread, and continue to do so.

You're are an idiot. End of story. 🙂

Edit: Sorry I called you an idiot. I meant more that you're being an idiot about this specific issue. You're probably not an idiot in general.

 

[Humpy]

In Illinois, this is absolutely the case. And the Illinois State Police seems to believe so too.

Again, for the 3rd time, a quote from the Illinois State Police.



Is that not english? Or is it written in a dialect you can't read? They're literally saying exactly what you're claiming is ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE.

Finding a quote from an individual isn't a substitute for when you are unable to quote an actual law to support your nonsense. 🙂

 

[Schmide]

In Illinois, this is absolutely the case.

Again, for the 3rd time, a quote from the Illinois State Police.



Is that not english? Or is it written in a dialect you can't read?

It is not that it's english. It's logic that you seem to have a problem with.

(I'm sorry I gave that video card to such a troubled person)

I'm in car A.

Traffic in the right lane is traveling at exactly 55mph.

I wish to pass traffic at 60mph. I may continue to do so until I believe there is room to return to the right lane.

You are in car B

You wish to pass at 65mph. YOU MUST WAIT UNTIL I RETURN TO THE RIGHT LANE. You do not get special passing privilege because you wish to pass faster than me.

Car A has every right to remain in the left lane while passing cars. If they wish to do so at 56mph. That is totally within the law. As long as they are traveling faster that the traffic in the right lane.

It is not rocket science.

PS this is not how I drive. I drive relatively fast. This is just an example for you to understand.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Finding a quote from an individual isn't a substitute for when you are unable to quote an actual law to support your nonsense. 🙂

The individual is a spokesperson for the Illinois State Police. But I guess that's nonsense.

"The bottom line is that you can drive in the left lane all day long until somebody wants to pass you. Then you have to move over," Millner said.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Car A has every right to remain in the left lane while passing cars. If they wish to do so at 56mph. That is totally within the law. As long as they are traveling faster that the traffic in the right lane.

This depends on where you live, but that's not the case in Illinois.

"The bottom line is that you can drive in the left lane all day long until somebody wants to pass you. Then you have to move over," Millner said.

 

[jdoggg12]

You wish to pass at 65mph. YOU MUST WAIT UNTIL I RETURN TO THE RIGHT LANE. You do not get special passing privilege because you wish to pass faster than me.
.

Problem is that a lot of drivers feel that way so I (B) pass you (A) when you're halfway between the cars doing 55 (C and D). If I can pass you in that amount of space, you should've moved between C and D to let B pass.