tailgater gets owned

[Humpy]

Don't worry, life will find a way to teach you all the lessons that you'll need to learn. Don't take my words for it though.

Thanks Obi-Wan!

On another note, considering your user name, I got a giggle out of how often you randomly added an unnecessary "S" to words in your awesome postings in this thread. Is that an intentional part of your shtick or just a dumb quirk?

 

[SSSnail]

Thanks Obi-Wan!

On another note, considering your user name, I got a giggle out of how often you randomly added an unnecessary "S" to words in your awesome postings in this thread. Is that an intentional part of your shtick or just a dumb quirk?

It's called laziness, surely you can relate.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

No, you first, be honest to yourself. I know you're capable of it.

He lost control of his car due to several factors, but the start of that chain reaction was the abrupt and unnecessary stopping that the original didn't anticipate.

You're telling me without the brake-check, the guy would have lost control on his own? What happens if the guy in front would just move over as soon as he's cleared of the car on the right without any abrupt actions? Wouldn't that be better for all? Instead of brake-check? Nah, can't be, gotta police the road. I weep for humanity, and Florida.

If you were driving that car in front, and you did the brake-check, and the guy went onto the other side of the road, have a head-on collision and someone died, you'd just drive on and in your mind saying "not my fault"... I get why you'd think that. But, you'll never do.

I'm telling you that in the chain of culpability starts and ends with the person not in control of his own vehicle. Period. How could you possibly disagree with that? I saw brake lights hundreds of times today. At no point did my car leave the road. I braked for red lights, I braked for stop signs, I braked for school zones, I braked for curves and I braked when I looked down at the speedometer and saw it said 75. And you want to know how many accidents I caused by other drivers seeing my brake lights? ZERO. Ab-so-freaking-lutely NONE. Did your day go differently? How many times did you lose control of your own vehicle because you saw brake lights? Rough guesstimate, no need to count them all, lets go by the over/under. Was it more or less than one? How many accidents were caused by you using your brakes? Again, more than one or fewer than one? How is it possible for all those drivers to adjust to all those brake lights without losing control of their cars? How can a person driving responsibly be forced off the road by a person in front of them braking. Please explain, in detail, how you using your brakes in any way at all can make me crash if I'm driving at a safe speed for the conditions, with a reasonable gap between cars and am aware of my surroundings. Go ahead.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I don't see any impeding of traffic. The brake checker is passing vehicles properly and at a good pace. I can't imagine any jury or judge ruling that he was impeding traffic.

He was impeding a tailgater.

impeding a tailgater is impeding traffic. They wouldn't be tailgating if they weren't being impeded by the car in front of them.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Can you demonstrably prove that the driver in front was in fact brake checking? Can you definitively prove that he was trying to cause an accident? Can you, with 100% certainty prove that the driver in front was not startled by a gust a wind, a wheel shudder, a siren on the radio, a dashboard warning light, a squirrel on the shoulder or one of the 1000 other reasons that make drivers use their brakes? When was the last time your car went careening off the road simply because another driver used his brakes? Ever? Even once? When was the last time another car crashed when you used your brakes because you saw a dog or child along the road and were worried that they might dart out? Ever? Even once? If the person in front of you braking for any reason whatsoever makes you lose control of your car, it's YOUR FAULT.

That's not my point and I agree with you.

 

[SSSnail]

I'm telling you that in the chain of culpability starts and ends with the person not in control of his own vehicle. Period. How could you possibly disagree with that? I saw brake lights hundreds of times today. At no point did my car leave the road. I braked for red lights, I braked for stop signs, I braked for school zones, I braked for curves and I braked when I looked down at the speedometer and saw it said 75. And you want to know how many accidents I caused by other drivers seeing my brake lights? ZERO. Ab-so-freaking-lutely NONE. Did your day go differently? How many times did you lose control of your own vehicle because you saw brake lights? Rough guesstimate, no need to count them all, lets go by the over/under. Was it more or less than one? How many accidents were caused by you using your brakes? Again, more than one or fewer than one? How is it possible for all those drivers to adjust to all those brake lights without losing control of their cars? How can a person driving responsibly be forced off the road by a person in front of them braking. Please explain, in detail, how you using your brakes in any way at all can make me crash if I'm driving at a safe speed for the conditions, with a reasonable gap between cars and am aware of my surroundings. Go ahead.

If you somehow equating that braking during normal driving is the same as brake-checking, then sorry, not wasting my time.

 

[Humpy]

impeding a tailgater is impeding traffic. They wouldn't be tailgating if they weren't being impeded by the car in front of them.

In Illinois, it is defined as impeding the normal flow of traffic.

 

[Humpy]

It's called laziness, surely you can relate.

Nope!

 

[SSSnail]

Nope!

Then you're better than me at putting S'es where they belong. Want a cookie?

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm saying brake-checkers are the worse kind of idiots than the tailgaters. That's what I've been saying. What are YOU saying?

I refer you to post #16 in this thread.

That said tailgaters are the worst because brake checkers are easily avoided, you just don't drive just behind them.

The problem with tail gating is that you have no idea if the guy you are doing it to is going to have to legitimately slam the brakes on.

 

[Humpy]

Then you're better than me at putting S'es where they belong. Want a cookie?

Hell yeah I want a cookie.

We should form some kind of team. You wander around, abrasively arguing about nothing for hours on end and I'll follow along on my bicycle interjecting the proper use of the letter S.

 

[SSSnail]

I refer you to post #16 in this thread.

That said tailgaters are the worst because brake checkers are easily avoided, you just don't drive just behind them.

The problem with tail gating is that you have no idea if the guy you are doing it to is going to have to legitimately slam the brakes on.

Actually drunk drivers are the worst.

Edit: Oh, and brake-checkers aren't always easily avoided, as shown in the video. They're usually found sitting on the left lane of a two-lane highway.

Both are passive-aggressive assholes, one tries to intimidate the person in front to get out of the way, the other retaliates because he/she felt threaten... If left to run its course, the action of one will most likely cause accidents. You decide.

Hell yeah I want a cookie.

We should form some kind of team. You wander around, abrasively arguing about nothing for hours on end and I'll follow along on my bicycle interjecting the proper use of the letter S.

That infers that I'd have to actually try, and when I do, there won't be many misplaced S'es. It's just not a viable cookies getting method.

I don't always argue, but when I do, I get serious. I usually troll, as you may already know.

 

[Matthiasa]

WTF Strawman?

Dude it's as simple as this.

They can ticket you for not wearing a seat belt, having a headlight out, expired tags, improper signaling, speeding, going too slow, etc. None of which will get you charged for brake checking or at fault for being rear ended.

I think its been covered but brake checking counts as assault...

 

[WelshBloke]

Actually drunk drivers are the worst.

No argument here about that but I was saying tail gaters are more of a danger to your average motorist than brake checkers, because you're average motorist isn't sucking on the tailpipe of the one in front.

Both are passive-aggressive assholes, one tries to intimidate the person in front to get out of the way, the other retaliates because he/she felt threaten... If left to run its course, the action of one will most likely cause accidents. You decide.

Difference is that there might be a legitimate reason to slam the brakes on, there's never a legitimate reason to tailgate.

 

[SSSnail]

Difference is that there might be a legitimate reason to slam the brakes on, there's never a legitimate reason to tailgate.

In theory that may be true, in reality that's reversed. I'm willing to wager that most of brake-checking incidents are never for legitimate reasons. And often, the ones I see tailgating are doing so after waiting for the person in the passing lane to move over, but won't, for extended period of time.

The sad part is that when there is enough clearance for the column of cars behind a left lane hogger to pass, that person would continue on without even a modicum of shame while everyone behind him/her have to pass on the right (that's if that person doesn't speed up to block everybody). Because self righteous indignant, yo.

 

[WelshBloke]

In theory that may be true, in reality that's reversed. I'm willing to wager that most of brake-checking incidents are never for legitimate reasons.

Nope. I've never deliberately brake checked anyone. I have had to slam the brakes on for many reasons.

And regardless of the reason for them they wouldn't cause a problem if the person behind wasn't driving dangerously.

So until you get the magical ability to see into the future it would be a good idea not to drive too close to the guy in front yes?

 

[SSSnail]

Nope. I've never deliberately brake checked anyone. I have had to slam the brakes on for many reasons.

And regardless of the reason for them they wouldn't cause a problem if the person behind wasn't driving dangerously.

So until you get the magical ability to see into the future it would be a good idea not to drive too close to the guy in front yes?

Wait, what does this have to do with me? Are you still confused or just retarded? Based on your responses, you must think this is about you as you seemed to have taken this personally.

I do speed occasionally, I don't tailgate as I've determined it's a retarded thing to do. Besides, if I need to pass some dumbass, I usually have at least 3 other lanes to the right of that person to do it with.

Since you've gone back to the "me and you" dialogue, how about just be a decent human and get out of the passing lane?

 

[glenn1]

Nope. I've never deliberately brake checked anyone. I have had to slam the brakes on for many reasons.

And regardless of the reason for them they wouldn't cause a problem if the person behind wasn't driving dangerously.

So until you get the magical ability to see into the future it would be a good idea not to drive too close to the guy in front yes?

Basically how people feel about this seems to be nothing more than a reflection on whether the poster would be more likely to tailgate or brake check someone. Since tailgating requires a driver to affirmatively act to put themselves in that situation that's why I would never, ever support the tailgater even if I knew for 100% certain that the person in front deliberately and knowingly brake checked them. Tailgating is to me like the roadway equivalent of piracy where the the offender could be put to death instantly as an enemy of humanity.

 

[WelshBloke]

Wait, what does this have to do with me?

You say that you don't brake check or tailgate?
Then tailgaters are a much bigger risk to your safety than brake checkers. That's what you were arguing against isn't it?

 

[Schmide]

I think its been covered but brake checking counts as assault...

It has not been covered. It is not true and you can pretend it is and state it as pretend fact but, I'm still waiting!!! One court case. Please. Anyone.

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PS you won't find one.

 

[OutHouse]

I think its been covered but brake checking counts as assault...

maybe in your warped sense of the law. but in reality umm no.

so you even know what assault is? again, im thinking no you dont.

 

[WelshBloke]

It has not been covered. It is not true and you can pretend it is and state it as pretend fact but, I'm still waiting!!! One court case. Please. Anyone.

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PS you won't find one.

It's still fucking stupid and lowers your chance of getting home alive.

 

[Schmide]

It's still fucking stupid and lowers your chance of getting home alive.

I actually disagree. A brake check is telling them to get off your ass. If they respond and get off your ass you have a much better chance of getting home alive.

 

[SSSnail]

You say that you don't brake check or tailgate?
Then tailgaters are a much bigger risk to your safety than brake checkers. That's what you were arguing against isn't it?

It's obvious you didn't read anything I wrote. I don't tailgate or brake check, I used to long ago. In my daily life, I find the left lane hoggers and brake checkers are more annoying and dangerous. And if I want to pass you, you won't have a chance to be a dick about it.

Anyways, based on your responses, this has now entered time wasting territory. I have better things to do, like trolling. Do continue on with your miserable existence. Isn't that why you want everyone else around you to be miserable as well? Rhetorical question, no replies needed.

 

[WelshBloke]

I actually disagree. A brake check is telling them to get off your ass. If they respond and get off your ass you have a much better chance of getting home alive.

You disagree that slamming your brakes on at high speed when there's a car dangerously close behind you isn't a risky thing to do?

And they let you drive?