tailgater gets owned

[ImpulsE69]

It's really scary the amount of people around here that don't get you don't make a bad situation worse.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Not even close. Many people are taught if you do not believe you are able to speed up to change lanes you can brake and change lanes.

I'm still waiting on an example of someone being charged for such a proper use of a vehicle.

Logically it is akin to telling someone to get out of your face when too close. If they freak out when it happens it is their fault.

And I've already provided you with a link. You do know that the user in that thread is a verified LEO right? Of course not...

 

[Schmide]

brake checking someone on the interstate whom is already too close to you while going 65-70mph is not a 'benign' signal. It's an unsafe reaction that could cause death and injury.

Yea, swinging an axe around in a house full of people is a 'benign signal' that everyone should leave.

Dude brake lights go on and off 100s of times a drive. If you freak out, that's on you. Are you actually saying I can't use my brakes at my will? The law says I can regardless of any outcome.

 

[Schmide]

And I've already provided you with a link. You do know that the user in that thread is a verified LEO right? Of course not...

You gave me a link to a banned poster on a random board. That's not a law dude. Nor is it an outcome of a case. Stare Decisis Dude Stare Decisis.

 

[MongGrel]

Just for entertainment's sake, what am I arguing about? That both offender types are idiots? Both are unsafe? Both have consequences? But one is unintended vs. deliberate?

Enlighten me.

They are both deliberate.

One will get you busted almost every time in the event of an accident, though.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Dude brake lights go on and off 100s of times a drive. If you freak out, that's on you. Are you actually saying I can't use my brakes at my will? The law says I can regardless of any outcome.

We're talking about brake checking. That's not just using your brakes and your 'but they're just brake lights' attitude appears to borderline trolling.

Using your brakes to slow down is one thing. Using your brakes to startle someone who's on your ass at a high rate of speed is completely different, and incredibly dumb.

 

[Subyman]

It takes two idiots to cause this.

 

[LTC8K6]

As he should have been.

However, the asshole that brake-checked should ALSO have been ticketed for reckless driving (impeding traffic and brake checking).

I don't see any impeding of traffic. The brake checker is passing vehicles properly and at a good pace. I can't imagine any jury or judge ruling that he was impeding traffic.

He was impeding a tailgater.

 

[Schmide]

We're talking about brake checking. That's not just using your brakes and your 'but they're just brake lights' attitude appears to borderline trolling.

Using your brakes to slow down is one thing. Using your brakes to startle someone who's on your ass at a high rate of speed is completely different, and incredibly dumb.

When did this become blame the victim? You have no right to declare this was even an intentional brake check. For all you know the person looked in their mirror was startled by how close the person was and hit their brakes because of that.

You act like responding to an aggressive act is not allowed regardless of any intention. You seem entitled to brake the law.

 

[SSSnail]

They are both deliberate.

One will get you busted almost every time in the event of an accident, though.

So you're telling me someone that wants to travel fast is deliberately wanting to get into an accident? Versus someone that deliberately want to cause an accident by slamming on the brakes unpredictably?

Now, if we're not just talking about localized US laws, how about the Autobahn? You think the passive-aggressive types should hang out in the fast lane there too?

It's impossible to prove brake-checking, but the person that caused the accident would know the truth.

The law wanted people to be defensive when driving, they surely didn't account for the passive-aggressive assholes. They tried to catch up by planting these signs all over the road to remind the cunts to move out of the way. The law doesn't want to promote speeding, of course. But it's doing it's part to remind the left lane hoggers to be decent human beings. Apparently it's failing (I blame the parents of the idiots first).

It takes two idiots to cause this.

Someone gets it.

 

[Capt Caveman]

You gave me a link to a banned poster on a random board. That's not a law dude. Nor is it an outcome of a case. Stare Decisis Dude Stare Decisis.

Incorrect. Jay7376, who you mentioned in an earlier post is a verifed LEO and not banned. And that forum is a legit LEO forum. Thanks for playing...

 

[Schmide]

Incorrect. Jay7376, who you mentioned in an earlier post is a verifed LEO and not banned. And that forum is a legit LEO forum. Thanks for playing...

Dude a forum post is not law, nor is it a decided outcome. I read nothing there that would constitute a shred of evidence to the point.

It is all hearsay.

 

[WelshBloke]

So you're telling me someone that wants to travel fast is deliberately wanting to get into an accident?

No. But someone deliberately driving way too close to the car in front may well end up deliberately causing an accident.

 

[SSSnail]

There's just no end to this circular logic.

Like I said, either you can self-reflect, or you don't. By my, and many others' opinions, both types are idiots. You just have to figure out for yourself if you want to continue to be an idiot, or not.

There's no right here, there's just wrong, and more wrong. You're arguing to be a type of wrong. You're an idiot.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

We're talking about brake checking. That's not just using your brakes and your 'but they're just brake lights' attitude appears to borderline trolling.

Using your brakes to slow down is one thing. Using your brakes to startle someone who's on your ass at a high rate of speed is completely different, and incredibly dumb.

Can you demonstrably prove that the driver in front was in fact brake checking? Can you definitively prove that he was trying to cause an accident? Can you, with 100% certainty prove that the driver in front was not startled by a gust a wind, a wheel shudder, a siren on the radio, a dashboard warning light, a squirrel on the shoulder or one of the 1000 other reasons that make drivers use their brakes? When was the last time your car went careening off the road simply because another driver used his brakes? Ever? Even once? When was the last time another car crashed when you used your brakes because you saw a dog or child along the road and were worried that they might dart out? Ever? Even once? If the person in front of you braking for any reason whatsoever makes you lose control of your car, it's YOUR FAULT.

 

[SSSnail]

There's no proof, you can't. No one can. But YOU know the truth.

And, if you can sleep at night if one day knowing that you caused an accident and/or loss of life by your incredibly stupid actions, then I guess continue on...

 

[WelshBloke]

There's just no end to this circular logic.

Like I said, either you can self-reflect, or you don't. By my, and many others' opinions, both types are idiots. You just have to figure out for yourself if you want to continue to be an idiot, or not.

There's no right here, there's just wrong, and more wrong. You're arguing to be a type of wrong. You're an idiot.

WTF?

The right is not to tailgate. Then there's no danger that some idiot will brake check you.

Your logic seems to be "I can tailgate because I want them to get out of the way. Because I think they should get out of the way, if an accident occurs it's their fault. I may now be dead but I'm morally right".

My logic goes "I won't tailgate because I don't know how the car in front will react. Oh look! I've arrived alive at my destination."

And you want to call other people idiots?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

There's no proof, you can't. No one can. But YOU know the truth.

And, if you can sleep at night if one day knowing that you caused an accident and/or loss of life by your incredibly stupid actions, then I guess continue on...

If I know some idiot lost control of his car and ate a highway abutment because he <shockOMG!!!>saw brake lights</shockOMG!!!> I'll be able to live with it easily no matter how it happened. Whether the driver in front meant it or not, whether it was nefarious or whether it was an honest reaction to a million possible stimuli that make drivers brake every day would not matter at all. Know why? Because the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights. Keep repeating that until it sinks in:

the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights
the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights
the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights
the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights
the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights

What do you have to say about a person that loses control of their own vehicle because they see brake lights. C'mon, be honest.

 

[SSSnail]

WTF?

The right is not to tailgate. Then there's no danger that some idiot will brake check you.

Your logic seems to be "I can tailgate because I want them to get out of the way. Because I think they should get out of the way, if an accident occurs it's their fault. I may now be dead but I'm morally right".

My logic goes "I won't tailgate because I don't know how the car in front will react. Oh look! I've arrived alive at my destination."

And you want to call other people idiots?

You seem to forgo what happened BEFORE some idiot is tailgating someone else, and that all starts with the idiot that can't bother to be a decent human being and obey the traffic sign of "Slower Traffic Keep Right". So, the wrong starts there. Then, another idiot decides to use the passing lane to pass, but that original idiot won't move. Then, the original idiot goes full retard and brake-check.

I don't know where you got my argument to be "I can tailgate...". You're not this retarded are you? How many times did I say the tailgaters are idiots? They're wrong, but if you're brake-checking, you're the worse kind of idiot. Man, your problem is you're thinking anyone saying the brake-checkers are wrong, must be tailgating. Holy shit talking about stupid.

Well, go on and be stupid. Hope it doesn't catch up to you somehow. Have fun. I look forward to more Youtube videos.

Actually, I take that back, if it wasn't for these idiots, YouTube would have been a lot less entertaining.

 

[Humpy]

WTF?

The right is not to tailgate. Then there's no danger that some idiot will brake check you.

Your logic seems to be "I can tailgate because I want them to get out of the way. Because I think they should get out of the way, if an accident occurs it's their fault. I may now be dead but I'm morally right".

My logic goes "I won't tailgate because I don't know how the car in front will react. Oh look! I've arrived alive at my destination."

And you want to call other people idiots?

You just need to self reflect a little harder and you will understand.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

WTF?

The right is not to tailgate. Then there's no danger that some idiot will brake check you.

Your logic seems to be "I can tailgate because I want them to get out of the way. Because I think they should get out of the way, if an accident occurs it's their fault. I may now be dead but I'm morally right".

My logic goes "I won't tailgate because I don't know how the car in front will react. Oh look! I've arrived alive at my destination."

And you want to call other people idiots?

Don't forget people make these asinine risks to get to their destination a few seconds quicker. They are risking their life, and those around them, so they don't have to wait in line a few seconds.

 

[SSSnail]

If I know some idiot lost control of his car and ate a highway abutment because he <shockOMG!!!>saw brake lights</shockOMG!!!> I'll be able to live with it easily no matter how it happened. Whether the driver in front meant it or not, whether it was nefarious or whether it was an honest reaction to a million possible stimuli that make drivers brake every day would not matter at all. Know why? Because the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights. Keep repeating that until it sinks in:

the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights
the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights
the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights
the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights
the idiot lost control of his own car because he saw brake lights

What do you have to say about a person that loses control of their own vehicle because they see brake lights. C'mon, be honest.

No, you first, be honest to yourself. I know you're capable of it.

He lost control of his car due to several factors, but the start of that chain reaction was the abrupt and unnecessary stopping that the original didn't anticipate.

You're telling me without the brake-check, the guy would have lost control on his own? What happens if the guy in front would just move over as soon as he's cleared of the car on the right without any abrupt actions? Wouldn't that be better for all? Instead of brake-check? Nah, can't be, gotta police the road. I weep for humanity, and Florida.

If you were driving that car in front, and you did the brake-check, and the guy went onto the other side of the road, have a head-on collision and someone died, you'd just drive on and in your mind saying "not my fault"... I get why you'd think that. But, you'll never do.

 

[SSSnail]

You just need to self reflect a little harder and you will understand.

Don't worry, life will find a way to teach you all the lessons that you'll need to learn. Don't take my words for it though.

 

[WelshBloke]

You seem to forgo what happened BEFORE some idiot is tailgating someone else, and that all starts with the idiot that can't bother to be a decent human being and obey the traffic sign of "Slower Traffic Keep Right". So, the wrong starts there. Then, another idiot decides to use the passing lane to pass, but that original idiot won't move. Then, the original idiot goes full retard and brake-check.

I don't know where you got my argument to be "I can tailgate...". You're not this retarded are you? How many times did I say the tailgaters are idiots? They're wrong, but if you're brake-checking, you're the worse kind of idiot. Man, your problem is you're thinking anyone saying the brake-checkers are wrong, must be tailgating. Holy shit talking about stupid.

Well, go on and be stupid. Hope it doesn't catch up to you somehow. Have fun. I look forward to more Youtube videos.

Actually, I take that back, if it wasn't for these idiots, YouTube would have been a lot less entertaining.

Ok then. If so tailgaters are in the wrong and brake checkers are in the wrong then what are you arguing about?

You should be doing neither yes?

 

[SSSnail]

Ok then. If so tailgaters are in the wrong and brake checkers are in the wrong then what are you arguing about?

You should be doing neither yes?

I'm saying brake-checkers are the worse kind of idiots than the tailgaters. That's what I've been saying. What are YOU saying?

And yes, I've done both when I was much younger, and I was an idiot. That much I said, took me a while but I did realize that. Realization is powerful.