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tailgater gets owned

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ControlD said:
I think you have missed the context here. The reason the gap needs to be left in the first place is because there is a slow driver in front of me, in the left lane. I don't move to the left lane unless I am trying to pass someone.

I agree with your statement, you just missed the meat of the point.
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doesn't matter who is in front of you. if you're getting passed on the right while driving in the left lane, you should get over to the right lane.

even in your example. who would pass you, move over infront of you to be stuck behind another car, when they could have just kept on driving past the slow car. doesn't make sense.

if you get into the right lane, you can then get around the dumbass who is twiddling his thumbs in the left lane too.

win-win.
 
MotionMan said:
On a two lane highway, if you are in the left lane and someone is coming up on you, it is on YOU to move over, NOT for them to slow down, even if you are going the speed limit or higher.

Legally (and morally) the fault is ENTIRELY on the brake-checker.

If someone did that to me, and caused me to crash, I'd end up owning his house and the houses of his descendants for three generations.

MotionMan
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And your tailgating ass and your descendents would still be assholes for 1,000 generations.
 
ImpulsE69 said:
Not at all. It just takes a closed minded very self involved person to brake check rather than speed up or get out of the way. It makes that person no better if not worse because he's being malicious where the other person is simply being irresponsible. As I amended above, the person doing the brake checking isn't concerned about safety or he wouldn't do it in the first place. It is a power play plain and simple.

Responsible driving is on the driver, not everyone else.
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Brake check aside - Obviously that's insane.

No person should ever drive faster than they are comfortable driving, especially when facing coercion from another driver. Guy was passing cars on the left and car merging onramp in right lane. He was 100% in the correct spot.
 
purbeast0 said:
if people keep pulling infront of you and filling that gap and you are driving in the left lane, YOU ARE GOING TO SLOW AND BEING PASSED BY PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT.

get the fuck over to the right lane.

driving 101.
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Other drivers being overtly aggressive means you're in the wrong lane? Nah, it means other drivers are way too aggressive.
 
s0me0nesmind1 said:
Not sure what state you are from, but last I checked ANYTIME someone is rear-ended it's basically a 99.999% chance it will be deemed their fault. It's pretty hard to be the one that hits and not be the person held liable.

Obvious exceptions being running a red light, stop sign, etc..
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Nope. What the break-checker did can be constituted as road-rage.
 
purbeast0 said:
doesn't matter who is in front of you. if you're getting passed on the right while driving in the left lane, you should get over to the right lane.

if you get into the right lane, you can then get around the dumbass who is twiddling his thumbs in the left lane too.

win-win.
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Yeah, you can attempt a pass on the right assuming you can get over. I don't really like passing on the right but I will if possible. Usually what happens is that you get stuck in the left lane until the train of 20 pissed off drivers gets by on the right. Then again, most of my driving is on two lane highways. That third lane can really help in such situations.
 
cbrunny said:
Other drivers being overtly aggressive means you're in the wrong lane? Nah, it means other drivers are way too aggressive.
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doesn't matter if people are being aggressive or not, if you are getting passed by people on the right, you are going too slow for the lane you are in.

how people cannot grasp this basic concept just bottles my mind!
 
cbrunny said:
Brake check aside - Obviously that's insane.

No person should ever drive faster than they are comfortable driving, especially when facing coercion from another driver. Guy was passing cars on the left and car merging onramp in right lane. He was 100% in the correct spot.
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You can't talk about one and ignore the other. He doesn't want to go faster? Fine, it doesn't mean brake check. Everyone (even the tailgater) will slow down to match his speed. He's in the wrong simply for instigating.
 
purbeast0 said:
doesn't matter if people are being aggressive or not, if you are getting passed by people on the right, you are going too slow for the lane you are in.

how people cannot grasp this basic concept just bottles my mind!
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lol the flow of traffic is not defined by the most aggressive asshole.
 
ImpulsE69 said:
You can't talk about one and ignore the other. He doesn't want to go faster? Fine, it doesn't mean brake check. Everyone (even the tailgater) will slow down to match his speed. He's in the wrong simply for instigating.
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I agree the brake check is wrong and insane. But you absolutely can talk about one without the other. There are two issues here, not just one. On one the tailgater was very wrong and on the other the tailgatee was very wrong.
 
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cbrunny said:
I agree the break check is wrong and insane. But you absolutely can talk about one without the other. There are two issues here, not just one. On one the tailgater was very wrong and on the other the tailgatee was very wrong.
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I'd wager that if both were brought to trial, the tailgater would have a 100% unanimous guilty vote from the jury and it would take minutes if not seconds. Whereas the brake checker would be a hung jury with a potential for outright "not guilty" act of jury nullification.
 
If I can brake check you into a swerving loss of control, then you were following me too closely.

End of story.
 
purbeast0 said:
doesn't matter if people are being aggressive or not, if you are getting passed by people on the right, you are going too slow for the lane you are in.

how people cannot grasp this basic concept just bottles my mind!
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Yes, but a clear distinction needs to be made here. If I'm in the left passing someone going 70, because the cars in he right are going 60-65, it is completely unacceptable to ride someone's ass as if "OMG you arent passing them quickly enough!" A lot of people that tailgate are like that.

I stick to the right lanes unless I'm passing, but if I'm in the process of passing and you want to be a dickhole about it, you can screw off. I hold no remorse if you get brake checked doing shit like that.
 
Ns1 said:
...and then you leave a safe distance behind that car.


Jesus Christ people. It's like you guys don't know how to drive the speed limit like the law abiding citizens.
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Driving to St. Louis every morning from Illinois I can tell you that leaving a safe gap equals something just merging into that gap, and then you if you leave a safe gap again, someone else just merges into that space. Either way the driver behind you gets pissed because you're not letting them pass but you're letting people get in front of you.

It's a never ending battle, and a major reason why states, including Illinois, have very specific laws about it. One of the reasons you're supposed to get out of the left lane is because traffic behind you wants to pass, and that means someone is closing distance on you and if you don't move, they're going to get close to you. Think of it like camping at a stop sign. Of course the guy behind you is tailgating. It's because he's waiting on you to go.

I know in Illinois, the brake-checker could have received a citation for that and likely would be told they should have moved into the right lane prior to the interchange. Illinois' law is pretty strict about the left lane. You have 1/4 mile to make a pass in the left lane before you're required to get out of it. It also states you must cede the left lane to passing traffic immediately.

The left lane driver was obstructing faster traffic and that was made obvious because he brake checked in a situation that he caused. Had he not brake checked, he could have simple moved over after the interchange and then let the driver go around him. But by brake checking, he deliberately obstructed traffic. In Illinois, that's a citation.

The tailgater would have also been cited though.
 
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MotionMan said:
On a two lane highway, if you are in the left lane and someone is coming up on you, it is on YOU to move over, NOT for them to slow down, even if you are going the speed limit or higher.

Legally (and morally) the fault is ENTIRELY on the brake-checker.

If someone did that to me, and caused me to crash, I'd end up owning his house and the houses of his descendants for three generations.

MotionMan
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1. the brake checker was passing a semi.
2. nobody was passing him in the right lane
3. traffic was merging onto the freeway
4. he had no legal reason to move over
5. Interstates are not the autobahn.
 
purbeast0 said:
if people keep pulling infront of you and filling that gap and you are driving in the left lane, YOU ARE GOING TO SLOW AND BEING PASSED BY PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT.

get the fuck over to the right lane.

driving 101.
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You have to drive slower than the car in front of you, initially, to leave that gap. Then you have to drive the same speed. Then someone will cut into the gap you are leave, and you have to slow down again.

You got your chicken and egg backwards. He isn't getting passed because he is driving slower, he is driving slower because it's the only possible way to leave a safe gap while being constantly passed.
 
TechBoyJK said:
Driving to St. Louis every morning I can tell you that leaving a safe gap equals something just merging into that gap, and then you if you leave a safe gap again, someone else just merges into that space. Either way the driver behind you gets pissed because you're not letting them pass but you're letting people get in front of you.
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You're absolutely right. Traffic doesn't exist in my state so I don't know what that experience is like.
 
glenn1 said:
I'd wager that if both were brought to trial, the tailgater would have a 100% unanimous guilty vote from the jury and it would take minutes if not seconds. Whereas the brake checker would be a hung jury with a potential for outright "not guilty" act of jury nullification.
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And you would risk injuring yourself why? I don't engage in brake checking behavior because I don't enjoy chronic pain. Regardless of whether I think I would win in some possible trial.

Causing someone to slam into the back of you to show how they are being unsafe just seems like a really odd way to prove your point.
 
cbrunny said:
Other drivers being overtly aggressive means you're in the wrong lane? Nah, it means other drivers are way too aggressive.
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However, if you camp at a stop sign and don't go, and everyone behind you just has to sit and wait, you're going to make them angry and it's pretty shitty to say their anger is their own fault.

No you're doing something that will make reasonable people angry. Camping in the left lane and obstructing traffic will make just about anybody angry, which is why left lane camping is illegal almost everywhere.
 
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