Tacoma vs Colorado

[gorcorps]

Well, the Ridgeline isn't exactly a real truck IMO. Aren't they still unibody?

Why does that still matter to so many people?

 

[drbrock]

Did not realize Honda was selling that well. They are near the bottom of the sales charts for trucks. I think the canyon is doing worse. However, Honda could have a limited supply run and it makes it appear they are in demand. Maybe if they switch to rear wheel drive it would gain some respect.

 

[Ns1]

Maybe if they switch to rear wheel drive it would gain some respect.

IMO the ridgeline's target market is people who want a truck that drives like a car.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Why does that still matter to so many people?

Tradition.

IMO the ridgeline's target market is people who want a truck that drives like a car.

Basically. It's got the towing and cargo capacity of a light truck (then again, so does an old Crown Vic, so maybe that's not the benchmark we should be using), and that's what SHOULD matter. But it's not a "real" truck because reasons.

And to be fair, it is kinda weird looking.

 

[Ns1]

And to be fair, it does look kinda silly.

the new bodystyle is fine, albeit uneventful. the old bodystyle is hideous though.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

the new bodystyle is fine, albeit uneventful. the old bodystyle is hideous though.

Ah, right you are.

The first gen looked like somebody built a Chevy Avalanche to 4/5 scale.

 

[pcgeek11]

Why does that still matter to so many people?

Because I have a strict definition of what a truck is. Part of that includes a real frame which is much better than a unibody for truck duty.

http://www.autotrader.com/car-shopp...-on-frame-suv-or-a-car-based-crossover-245716

What are the benefits to body-on-frame construction? The primary one is that body-on-frame vehicles are better at off-roading and hauling, because their design makes them highly resistant to twisting forces, the kind you'll experience when you're crawling over rocks, for example, or when you've loaded heavy items into your vehicle's cargo area. Body-on-frame vehicles also tend to be cheaper to build and cheaper to repair, if you get into an accident.

 

[pcgeek11]

Tradition.



Basically. It's got the towing and cargo capacity of a light truck (then again, so does an old Crown Vic, so maybe that's not the benchmark we should be using), and that's what SHOULD matter. But it's not a "real" truck because reasons.

And to be fair, it is kinda weird looking.

That is wrong there are REAL Reasons see my answer above. Frames have advantages over unibody.

 

[Ns1]

That is wrong there are REAL Reasons see my answer above. Frames have advantages over unibody.

Right, but nobody is buying a Ridgeline for those use cases.

 

[pcgeek11]

Right, but nobody is buying a Ridgeline for those use cases.

Not arguing that point. The Ridgeline is not a real truck. It is an SUV more than a truck.

 

[Ns1]

Not arguing that point. The Ridgeline is not a real truck. It is an SUV more than a truck.

it's got a truck bed therefore it is a truck

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Not arguing that point. The Ridgeline is not a real truck. It is an SUV more than a truck.

Most truck owners, period, aren't buying for those use cases.

As far as frame vs. unibody, I assumed you'd have mentioned being able to build custom boxes for the rear, which is actually a big deal for people with specialized needs. (Whether you're building an ambulance, tow truck, whatever.)

 

[MrPickins]

No love for the Frontier?

I chose mine over the Tacoma to avoid the Toyota tax. It's a solid truck and has held its value well.

 

[Yuriman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Ridgeline have the highest payload rating in its class, as well as the widest bed?

 

[Ns1]

...

 

[zerocool84]

You can probably safely assume that 80-90% of truck buyers don't use their trucks as a truck. The Ridgeline would fit the bill for majority of truck buyers. But majority of truck buyers don't buy a truck because it's what they need, they buy it because it's what they want. Trucks have an image and the average truck buyer wants to drive that image. Ridgeline doesn't fit that image.

 

[pcgeek11]

it's got a truck bed therefore it is a truck

OK it is an SUV with a bed for hauling groceries... better?

 

[pcgeek11]

Most truck owners, period, aren't buying for those use cases.

As far as frame vs. unibody, I assumed you'd have mentioned being able to build custom boxes for the rear, which is actually a big deal for people with specialized needs. (Whether you're building an ambulance, tow truck, whatever.)

And another good point. :thumbsup:

 

[dainthomas]

it's got a truck bed therefore it is a truck

So does an El Camino

 

[Ns1]

So does an El Camino

I guess you'll have to convince me why the el camino isn't a truck then.

 

[pcgeek11]

Sure they do. Just....slowly.

If I had $45k for a new truck today I would own a diesel ZR2 - and I am a dedicated Toyota fan. Turbodiesel, factory diff locks, factory rock sliders, and incredible suspension is very hard to argue with.

A friend of mine bought one of these about four weeks ago. It has been in the shop for repairs more than it has been at his house. For three weeks it has been at the dealer for several repairs and now it is in the dealers for the Stereo that has died. From what he told me they have the security system tied into the stereo so that with a dead stereo the truck is a paper weight. I'm guessing that they are having issues with this system as they told him the stereo systems are back ordered and it will take an additional 4 weeks to get one if they are lucky. They gave him a loaner vehicle to drive.

LOL An old Dodge pickup that looks as if it was used by a general contractor. He is loosing his mind at the moment...

I'll stick with my Toyota's. They have issues too, but they have always treated me well. For example, my wife's transmission went out in her 98 Sienna Van under warranty when she was out of town (Northern VA) and it took a month to get one. They loaned her a brand new Sienna Van off the lot to drive home to SC. When the repairs were completed they offered to drive it down to SC to swap vehicles...

 

[jlee]

A friend of mine bought one of these about four weeks ago. It has been in the shop for repairs more than it has been at his house. For three weeks it has been at the dealer for several repairs and now it is in the dealers for the Stereo that has died. From what he told me they have the security system tied into the stereo so that with a dead stereo the truck is a paper weight. I'm guessing that they are having issues with this system as they told him the stereo systems are back ordered and it will take an additional 4 weeks to get one if they are lucky. They gave him a loaner vehicle to drive.

LOL An old Dodge pickup that looks as if it was used by a general contractor. He is loosing his mind at the moment...

I'll stick with my Toyota's. They have issues too, but they have always treated me well. For example, my wife's transmission went out in her 98 Sienna Van under warranty when she was out of town (Northern VA) and it took a month to get one. They loaned her a brand new Sienna Van off the lot to drive home to SC. When the repairs were completed they offered to drive it down to SC to swap vehicles...

Well, that's not encouraging. Maybe I don't want one after all.

 

[pcgeek11]

Well, that's not encouraging. Maybe I don't want one after all.

I would at least give it some time to mature...